SFoL 58 Balance Talk V3

Added this clause for clarification:

Also this

and this

and this

If she is supposed to be a Prestige class, she should be buffed.

The Court Sorceress

Blue Dragon Offensive
Prestige (Passive) - Only up to two classes with Prestige can spawn the entire game. If the Court Sorceress is converted from the Sage or the Forest Witch, however, then this does not contribute to this limit; only starting classes do.
Earthquake (Day) - Cast an earthquake under a player. If they use a day ability today, they will be redirected to themselves. (2 uses)
Ice Ward (Night) - Prevent all other players from visiting a player of your choice tonight.
Tornado (Night) - Redirect two players to one another. (3 uses)
Frozen Door (Call to Arms | Night) - Freeze a player’s room. Only Blue Dragon members will be able to visit them tonight; all other attempted visits will be prevented. (2 uses)
Defeat the Unseen and any neutrals that seek to do you harm.

Drunk is fine.

The Hunter

Blue Dragon Killer
Isolation (Passive) - You are occupation and redirection immune.
Prestige (Passive) - Only up to two classes with Prestige can spawn the entire game. If Hunter is converted from the Baronet, however, then this does not contribute to this limit; only starting classes do.
Wolf Companion (Day) - Summon a wolf to attack a player, making them start bleeding. They will die in two nights if not healed. If the target is already bleeding, it will kill them tonight. (2 uses)
Spike Trap (Night) - Choose a member of the Blue Dragon other than yourself. All Unseen members who visit them tonight will start bleeding and die in two nights if not healed. Their actions will not be prevented. (3 uses)
Bear Trap (Call to Arms | Night) - Prepare your bear companion to defend your home. All players who visit you tonight will die, bypassing night immunity. This does not stop their actions. (2 uses)
Defeat the Unseen and any neutrals that seek to do you harm.

Knight and Maid are fine (I’ve already reworked them).

Mystic is fine, one thing though.

Telepathy (Day) - Send a 1000 character message to target player. You may not target the King with this - 3 uses.

The message is anonymous, right?

Noble is fine, I’ve already reworked him.

The Observer

Blue Dragon Investigative
Blue Bird (Day) - The next time a player uses a day ability today, you will be immediately informed who it was.
Little Bird (Day) - Choose a player. At the end of the night, you will learn if they left their room.
Follow (Night) - Learn a player’s visitors and who they visited. You may target members of the Blue Dragon.
Window Peek (Night) - Learn a player’s alignment and all of their current status effects, including bleeding, passive removal, being drained by the Succubus, etc. You do not learn when the status effects wear off. If a status effect is applied on the night you use Window Peek, it will not be detected. You may not target members of the Blue Dragon. (2 uses)
Stare Down (Call to Arms | Night) - Learn a player’s class.
Defeat the Unseen and any neutrals that seek to do you harm.

The Physician

Blue Dragon Support
Remedy Studies (Passive) - You are bleeding immune.
Medical Attention (Day) - You will assist the Heroine tonight. If she would be attacked or bled while visiting a player, you will automatically heal her even if you are occupied or redirected. (2 uses)
Heal (Night) - Heal a player, preventing them from dying tonight, and curing poison and bleeding.
Exhume (Night) - Choose a dead player. Learn what effects were applied to them on the night they died, and additionally learn which class killed them or if they committed suicide. If multiple classes killed that player, you will learn the names of all of them. (3 uses)
Concentrated Nightshade (Call to Arms | Night) - Poison a player with a concentrated dose of nightshade, causing them to die tonight. (1 use)
Defeat the Unseen and any neutrals that seek to do you harm.

The Princess

Blue Dragon Investigative
Royal Blood (Passive) - Votes to become King count as two for you.
Royal Studies (Passive) - If your original class was The Archivist, you retain your “Archive” and “Revoke” abilities until your class changes.
Contrived Discourse (Day) - Learn if a player visited someone last night and if they used a day ability yesterday. (3 uses)
Light Wisp (Night) - All members of the Blue Dragon will appear to investigators as members of the Unseen tonight. (2 uses)
Flirt (Night) - Learn a player’s class type. If you were converted from The Archivist, you may only use this ability on players inside your log network.
Date (Call to Arms | Night) - Learn a player’s class. (2 uses)
Defeat the Unseen and any neutrals that seek to do you harm.

Prince - no changes, except I would give him a third execution. After all, BD is supposed to get raw power.

Priest is fine, because already reworked.

The Sheriff :shield:

Blue Dragon Investigative
Perception (Passive) - As long as you are alive, you passively assist the Heroine. Whenever her Eliminate occupies a player instead of killing them, you will automatically learn that player’s class. Whenever a player bled by the Heroine is healed, you will also be informed.
Scout (Day) - Have a scout follow a player. You will learn their faction tomorrow. (2 uses)
Stakeout (Night) - Stake out a player’s room. At the end of the night, you will learn how many players visited them and which factions they belonged to.
Hideout (Call to Arms | Night) - Hide near a player’s room. At the end of the night, you will learn how many players visited them and what classes they had.
Defeat the Unseen and any neutrals that seek to do you harm.

I think I’m done.

Disagree with this clause because votes being locked or not locked on a given day could be used to derive information about the gamestate.

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Out of edits for the next 6 hours but I just realized this is terrible and am removing it

Declaring something as MyLo or LyLo in a game with 3-4 factions and conversions is always bad.

I probably will make a fifth thread
So that things are fully clean and clear going into the official review phase.

:thinking:

Ya got me, I pressed X @DatBird

@Vulgard
Princess should have prestige; should that change anything?

Nope.

It’s not a kingmaking neutral when it suicides upon accomplishing it mission. Instantly saying it’s BD-sided after one game is short sighted in my opinion. Had their scum heathen died day 2, they would suddenly be scum-sided surely…

Also it was basically mod confirmed to be legit that game too, so I do think that warps the view a lot too.

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