SFoL 58: Last Stand of the Righteous -- Discussion and Balance Thread

Wait no she does. I’m blind.

Disregard what I said, this works just by switching the converted class of Torturer to Sentinel/Court Sorceress I think.

Sentinel has that so I think it works.

very epic /spectate

‘To yourself’ is enough. A little error.

Unseen-aligned. Capitalize.

I think in general it’s mostly typos now and balance issues should be more or less solved, but if I do find something, I’ll let you know.

You can probably tell by the amount of posts I write that I’m really excited for this setup.

I tried replacing a night ability of the librarian to make it more useful if converted from the duchess

The Librarian :shield:

Hand of Byzantium Social
Prestige (Passive) - Only up to three classes with Prestige can spawn the entire game. If the librarian is converted from a Duchess, however, then they do not contribute to this limit; only starting classes do.
Righteous Access (Passive) - Allows all Hand of Byzantium members to read the logs on the public log network. Can also use both day abilities during the same day and both night abilities on the same night.
Archive (Day) - Invites a player to the log network. The player must accept before joining and can choose to leave at anytime. Can only invite two players per day. - Infinite uses
Defender’s Notes (Day) - Allows the Hand of Byzantium to gain a log of all posts from any private shared chat that they are not a part of at the end of the night. - 3 uses
Revoke (Night) - Removes a player from the log network. - Infinite uses
Love at First Sight (Night) - Get a players class type, and be provided with two classes in which one of them is the player’s exact class. - Infinite uses
Defeat the Unseen and any neutrals that seek to do you harm.

what do you think?
@Vulgard

Also added a warp ability to cabalist

The Cabalist :shield:

Hand of Byzantium Social
Ritual of the Hand (Passive) - You will always be seen as Unseen to faction checks.
Prestige (Passive) - Only up to three classes with Prestige can spawn the entire game. If the librarian is converted from an Illusionist, however, then they do not contribute to this limit; only starting classes do.
Letter with no Sender (Day) - Sends an anonymous message to a player. - Infinite uses
Telepathy (Day) - Send a 1000 character message to target player, NOT anonymously. You may not target the King with this. - 3 uses
Rewrite Reality (Day) - Cause your target to receive a completely antithetical result to any investigative ability used tonight in every way possible. - 3 uses.
Cryptic Communications (Night) - Sends an anonymous message to a player and they will be able to post a reply. - Infinite uses
Byzantium Connections (Night) - Prevents another Hand of Byzantium-aligned player from being voted tomorrow. - One use
Defeat the Unseen and any neutrals that seek to do you harm.

The problem is that this is an investigative ability on a social class… I also think that getting the class type is redundant when you get a grouping of two potential classes which are likely to be the same type anyway. Maybe it should be worded like this:

Love at First Sight (Night) - Choose a player. You will receive a grouping of two classes at the end of the night. One of those classes will be that player’s exact class.

Useful for finding potential neuts and filtering out fakeclaims. Maybe it should be done like this?

Love at First Sight (Night) - Choose a player. You will receive a grouping of two classes at the end of the night. One of those classes will be that player’s exact class. If you were converted from The Archivist, you may only use this ability on players inside your log network.

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The idea here is that if you were converted from Duchess, you’re not going to be trusted if you start adding people to a log network, so you need something to do outside of the log network. Meanwhile if you’re a converted Archivist, people might still trust you, so you can still use the log network and that’s quite strong if you can also investigate outside of the network. That’s why this investigative ability should probably be limited in that case.

That’s the best of both worlds I can come up with at the moment.

What about this on the Cabalist

For the sake of consistency, the Princess should have the same clause. “If you were converted from The Archivist, you may only use this ability on players inside your log network.”

This is pretty strong in certain situations, but I like it - because the other abilities are mostly situational.

I’m not sure if there’s a reason for this ability to exist, since if you want the message to not be anonymous, you can just reveal yourself in the message while using this:

Fair, will make it anonymous again

Deleted that ability on Cabalist, it was redundant

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I really like what we have here right now.

@Maxwell Is there a reason why there are two versions of the Page? I think just one would be enough.

I don’t know which one I would get rid of since a different version exists in both

but yes im open to having just one

But would keep the different squires based on scum faction