SFoL 64 - Anonymous FoL - Day 6 - The Possessor, Inquisitor, and Fool are victorious!

[katze]

nerdcount

Vote target	Voted by	Votes
Geoffrey_Bailey	Jane_Drayton	1/9
Jane_Drayton	Nicolas_Adams, Peter_Carew, Thomas_The_Second, Andy_Bernard	4/9
Helen_Harte	Isabel_Savage, Emma_Maison, Ivo_Wake, Geoffrey_Bailey	4/9
Isabel_Savage	Sarah_Lacey	1/9
Alan_Atlee	Mary_Savill	1/9
Gilbert_Lovell	Alice_Alard	1/9
Not Voting	Gilbert_Lovell, Alan_Atlee, Edmond_Bailey, Helen_Harte	4

yell at me if anything is incorrect

[Thomas_The_Second]

@Sarah_Lacey

If I misunderstood I apologize, but that just says “Prince please just claim now” to me

Prince can literally safely execute anyone who claims Prince to get out of a lynch, which Ivo did, as they’re unique and guaranteed.

@Sarah_Lacey

Still waiting.

Immediately going “push low-posters = bad” and I still don’t think that your rolefishing read was legit as Prince CC’ing fakeclaimers via axe should be common sense to this site. Plus, your read on Isabel has been extremely reachy.

@Sarah_Lacey

Instantly conforming to reads, signs of UTR scum.

This is a jump to conclusions. Literally everyone is TR’ing Alice this match for various reasons. How are they alone in TR’ing Alice?

@Sarah_Lacey

Tries to act casual, saying that “oh off the top of my head…”, refering to the Assassin 2/1

Or someone who forgot that Cult can kill n1 this match, which is a fairly recent change to FoL.

@Sarah_Lacey

This, at least to me, reads “I was occupied/jailed so I am not NK/Assassin.”

Their argument makes sense providing they didn’t target the jailed target. This means that they cannot be a CL/Assassin being that there would only be 1 kill overnight and since they know that there was an occupation attempt on them then if the occupier speaks out then they cannot be the NK as NKs do not know if they were occupied or redirect if they’re immune.

If they’re starting evil, they literally can only be a Seeker or MM. There’s literally no reason why this argument is wolfy and you trying to frame it as LAMIST is extremely reachy.

[Thomas_The_Second]

I’d rather kill Jane today. Helen looks more =rand being that they just look like they’re not doing anything while Jane has a lot of hints of being a UTR wolf.

[Alice_Alard]

@katze

|Jane_Drayton|Nicolas_Adams, Peter_Carew, Thomas_The_Second, Andy_Bernard|4/9

Peter and Andy’s votes are making me feel a bit iffy about this wagon

Still think it likely flips wolf.

/vote Jane

[katze]

votecount

Vote target	Voted by	Votes
Geoffrey_Bailey	Jane_Drayton	1/9
Jane_Drayton	Nicolas_Adams, Peter_Carew, Thomas_The_Second, Andy_Bernard, Alice_Alard	5/9
Helen_Harte	Isabel_Savage, Emma_Maison, Ivo_Wake, Geoffrey_Bailey	4/9
Isabel_Savage	Sarah_Lacey	1/9
Alan_Atlee	Mary_Savill	1/9
Not Voting	Gilbert_Lovell, Alan_Atlee, Edmond_Bailey, Helen_Harte	4

yell at me if anything is incorrect

[Thomas_The_Second]

[Thomas_The_Second]

@katze

|Not Voting|Gilbert_Lovell, Alan_Atlee, Edmond_Bailey, Helen_Harte|4

I dislike how Gilbert and the King have been completely holding their vote this match tbfh.

Kind of wanting to just CFD Gilbert and be done with it as there’s literally nothing villagery but his slip which doesn’t really mean much since this is technically a multiball game.

Helen just looks like she isn’t playing.

[Thomas_The_Second]

Nvm, they voted Ivo.

Frankly it just looks like they’re posting to not get replaced, which unfortunately comes more from villagers than wolves on this site.

[Alice_Alard]

Tired

Who needs me

If nobody
I sleep

[Geoffrey_Bailey]

@Gilbert_Lovell

This is true always.

@Gilbert_Lovell

scumlean bad opening

I don’t like how Gilbert just slaps a sl on someone in their first few posts just for a “bad opening”. It just feels off to me and I don’t quite know why. There is no progression it’s just “this is a sl (bad opening)”

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sampling of Gilbert's post toward Thomas d1

@Gilbert_Lovell

I feel this is bad way to townlean

@Gilbert_Lovell

That suggest to me that town would not do it, but wolf trying to WIFOM could.

@Gilbert_Lovell

Bold moves are townread here often enough. I can see scum doing this to get townread but I do not see town motive in this especially in anon game.

@Gilbert_Lovell

He is most likely town

@Gilbert_Lovell

You can give your opinion on other people that are not alice or sarah

@Gilbert_Lovell

Doubt you would instatly die in tol for scumclaim without any discussion.

@Gilbert_Lovell

Yes but no one cares about that if you scumclaim in it.

@Gilbert_Lovell

Them wanting someone to CS you after you scumclaimed is the only reason?

@Gilbert_Lovell

You have said that like 10 times already we get it.

@Gilbert_Lovell

Yes but it wont let you lynch

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@Gilbert_Lovell

Sounds like a bad idea.

@Gilbert_Lovell

Because it will not be based on reads, but on their behavior which will not advance gamestate and esentially be rng kill.

@Gilbert_Lovell

You lynch scum not trolling town unless they are like openly gamethrowing. Complain to mods after game if you think their behavior is that bad.

@Gilbert_Lovell

Lynching town is also anti town which they probably are. What they are doing is certaintly distracting but I dont think that is something you should lynch for. Besides it gets scum to not as ordinary situations where it is easier to catch them.

These thoughts are somewhat towny in my opinon. I just can’t get over how they primarily focus on Thomas and defending themselves. I think not wanting to PL Thomas was a decent look d1.

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@Gilbert_Lovell

Ivo W

thomas V

achive ppl V(u, emma (some other person I don’t remember name of)

@Gilbert_Lovell

Thomas and ppl who were actively solving

I probably sound like a broken record, but I think these reads are semi terrible. They don’t have much meat to them and don’t ever reach a conclusion. I don’t know what else to say about Gilbert’s early reads

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Gilbert's defense of said slot

@Gilbert_Lovell

here

@Gilbert_Lovell

quote where you took my read from

@Gilbert_Lovell

what’s eh with it?

@Gilbert_Lovell

also @Nicolas_Adams can you answer this

@Gilbert_Lovell

and why is that

@Gilbert_Lovell

I mean I definetly interacted a lot when I was hoping he would change but I have had a lot of interactions outside too

@Gilbert_Lovell

He put me into nullscum and then I did go over his reasoning with him

I don’t really see how that is wrong?

@Gilbert_Lovell

quote my first read on him

@Gilbert_Lovell

the read on him before PL suggestion which I opposed on principle

@Gilbert_Lovell

fifth and seventh quote are scumread on your slot

@Gilbert_Lovell

because I am opposed to PL on principle should be fairly obvious from my responsw to it

@Gilbert_Lovell

yea there isnt, it’s default read that’s the point

@Gilbert_Lovell

because?

@Gilbert_Lovell

I am responding to you so u and others can develop read on me how’s that not productive?

@Gilbert_Lovell

it’s like 1 post about how I do non induvidual reads

@Gilbert_Lovell

how is my reasoning on him flawed? also this contradicts your previous point since most ppl disagreed with this read

@Gilbert_Lovell

yea I will when I have time and idk what you were expecting from D1

@Gilbert_Lovell

I said they’re early game townlean for solving

@Gilbert_Lovell

yea because I disagreed with them so I responded to them idk what you mean by hold of gamestate in this context

I don’t like how Gilbert’s ISO is mostly self defense. It feels like Gilbert is just sidelining, while defending themselves. I know this a simple read on this point, but it’s all I can say that hasn’t been said.

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Gilbert's more recent posts

@Gilbert_Lovell

ngl this from you seems like justification to hop on main wagon

@Gilbert_Lovell

doubt BD killer would kill this early though

@Gilbert_Lovell

d2 king lynch is really bad

@Gilbert_Lovell

this feels performative

@Gilbert_Lovell

whyd you leave out reasoning on Isabel here?

@Gilbert_Lovell

@Alice_Alard u on?

@Gilbert_Lovell

I dont see why townreads would be bad why didnt u point out flaws in their reads if you thought there was

@Gilbert_Lovell

how did most of these reads pop into existence without progression or any mention about them before or reasoning attached

@Gilbert_Lovell

tell me how this isnt NE claim and I am just crazy

they dont seem like a memey type

@Gilbert_Lovell

Id say you, nicolas, isabel and emma I like the investment

thomas for the reason u know already

I remember liking marys vibe when I was Isoing them I would still like ppl I Isod to respond to me first

@Gilbert_Lovell

they seem invested into solving at least thats the impression I got while scrolling through the thread

@Gilbert_Lovell

I would say in helen, sarah, susan

in that order

they are not strong because I will most likely re-evaluate them after they respond with defense to me

@Gilbert_Lovell

I didnt like how they had a lot of reads in readlist without any progression or reasoning

@Gilbert_Lovell

referencing this

I do actually like these posts a little bit. It’s kind of simple solving, but it’s a breath of fresh air from the “defend Thomas and myself” Gilbert. I want more solving rather than “defend myself”. I feel like they provide independent thoughts that, albeit a little simple, are genuine solving.

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Conclusion
This slot has wolf equity, but I think if they were given the chance they could dig themselves out. I think their more recent posts show a bit of effort to solve and as such I wouldn’t lynch this over Helen or Jane. @Gilbert_Lovell if you can’t improve by mid day tomorrow I will consider you a likely wolf.

[Geoffrey_Bailey]

I am heading to bed now. I have work in the morning and as such might not be on for the EoD, but tomorrow I can ISO Alice. Didn’t someone ask my opinions on Alice? regardless, I am going to bed

[Jane_Drayton]

Well, I guess I will just out this here.

I claim Noble who have gossiped Thomas N1, in which nothing has happened to him. As for that soft I have made previously, since I was reading my class card wrong and thought the result were “if they investigate/occupy their target successfully or just that if their target got swapped”, so that is why I make that “observer-y” claim and said that Thomas does indeed didn’t investigate anyone else. Looking back, I didn’t know what was I thinking when I am stating that statement as I gossiped Thomas to see if they were occupied/investigated, and then later down the road, I thought my ability is supposed to be working like what I have said before, so yeah, big mistakes on my part.

[Thomas_The_Second]

@Geoffrey_Bailey

Conclusion
This slot has wolf equity, but I think if they were given the chance they could dig themselves out. I think their more recent posts show a bit of effort to solve and as such I wouldn’t lynch this over Helen or Jane. @Gilbert_Lovell if you can’t improve by mid day tomorrow I will consider you a likely wolf.

What the actual fuck? This reads a lot like a wolf telling the other one to improve posting or get bussed.

[Isabel_Savage]

I see the King has kinda dropped off a bit since I lasted talked about them.
Time to revise my read on the King.

@Alan_Atlee

Hello, usual starter king post here.
I hope you all have a lovely game, lets get to this.

I have no idea thus far how to feel about Thomas because of the sheer amount of joking around going on so far is more than irritating.

Lucy has a very good start to their ISO, would townlean it since they are being observant and taking things seriously despite it being D1 which is a good look.

Nicholas and Andy both feel like they have genuine frustration with Thomas, it is not forced wolf theatre. Around post 142, Nicholas encourages not killing Thomas which is fair and I do not think W!Thomas would willingly bind themselves to a memeing slot early on this day.
Alice also revisits it but seems to disagree with Thomas which at this point is just +ev if that is the correct turn. Thomas also just continues to OMGUS this slot which makes me like Alice more.

So far that is my opening and read to post 200 posts. I plan to read some more but I have some things to deal with irl quickly. I will see you all later, peace out for now from your king.

Opening post is ok though I don’t see anything that pings me as particularly except making observations on Lucy and making comments on the Thomas the 1st fiasco D1.

@Alan_Atlee

No clue. I might guess Unseen just because coin toss and people are memeing about Cult already

Random guess which is NAI.

Quite a bit of his ISO is interactions with other slots regarding Thomas the 1st.

@Alan_Atlee

@Lucy_Wrenne

any thoughts on who yet? i dont think its a bad move since king is a open class as it is

I am thinking of 2 players between yourself, Andy, Nicolas and Mary.
I might change this but if I were to allies right now it would be 2 of yall.

Yet he failed to do this N1.
Not a good sign as this is either lack of attention to the game or sabotaging consensus town plans.

@Alan_Atlee

Lucy and Andy both have done good amounts of analysis.

Mary has been relatively townie imo and since Mary wants analysis from others, I think that while Mary is in allies that they would be useful.

Nicolas I have found myself agreeing with more than most others. I think that they are town and we can bounce off each other.

Eh I guess, nothing extraordinary here.

@Alan_Atlee

I am gonna say it now without mincing my words.
I did not do allies last night as I had planned to be on for the later parts of the day but passed out due to a lack of sleep.

I can only apologise for that.
I did, however, perform my swear fealty at least.

I guess this is why real life comes 1st.
Now if you can get a good night’s sleep, that would be great.

@Alan_Atlee

@Alice_Alard

Expand? I don’t think I’m quite following

The slot was overall quite damn insignificant.
The only thing to note is how often they were agreeing with Lucy.
It could be scum buddying to non scum or two scum members buddying up to seem like they are doing something good.

Basically if or when Lucy or Peter flips we need to consider their interactions with each other specifically due to Peter forcing the associations.

@Alice_Alard

What did you like and what do you dislike?

I will ISO dive and fetch specific quotes in a bit.

@Alice_Alard

This is such a specific read and I’m confused by it

Are you saying that wolves would bus Mary because they’re acting wolfy?
I’ve read this four times and I don’t follow
Please explain it in 5-year-old words.

I know it was very specific but basically I think Mary is either

1. Neutral. Scum are bussing them to avoid one of their members dying. This could be possible because Mary seems to not want to leave anything behind that could be read one way or the other which is not townie.
2. Unseen. I do not think Mary is Cult and doing this simply because of the member cap for Unseen being 3 and Cult being 4. If Mary is Unseen then them dying as Unseen would free up a slot for a N3 convert. If Mary is cult then this does not apply since cult can convert again without issue.

By the “setting it up so we get rid of Mary D3” thing, I mean that Unseen could be planning on a mislynch followed by a Mary kill the following day so that they can convert that night. Basically planning ahead.

Hmm this isn’t a bad interaction with Alice here.
Still they could be doing the bare minimum interaction while going UTR as starting EK.
Then again starting King isn’t the main focus right now.

Conclusion.
I think my town lean on the King was premature.
While their takes aren’t bad, I can’t help suspecting this might be an EK trying to coast and go UTR.
This goes down to null-scum lean.

[Thomas_The_Second]

@Geoffrey_Bailey

Clarify what you meant there?

[Thomas_The_Second]

I’m basically in agreement with you. King’s play way too safe this match.

[Thomas_The_Second]

/vote Gilbert

[Alice_Alard]

Why did you choose to gossip Thomas?

And why did you choose this over bounty?

[Ivo_Wake]

I’m considering saying I should openly support butler posion on this king.

But meh think that’s a bit rash Rn but we might need it later down the line.

[katze]

votecount

Vote target	Voted by	Votes
Geoffrey_Bailey	Jane_Drayton	1/9
Jane_Drayton	Nicolas_Adams, Peter_Carew, Andy_Bernard, Alice_Alard	4/9
Helen_Harte	Isabel_Savage, Emma_Maison, Ivo_Wake, Geoffrey_Bailey	4/9
Isabel_Savage	Sarah_Lacey	1/9
Alan_Atlee	Mary_Savill	1/9
Gilbert_Lovell	Thomas_The_Second	1/9
Not Voting	Gilbert_Lovell, Alan_Atlee, Edmond_Bailey, Helen_Harte	4

yell at me if anything is incorrect