SFoL 64 - Anonymous FoL - Day 6 - The Possessor, Inquisitor, and Fool are victorious!

[Ivo_Wake]

My thoughts exactly I don’t want to Omgus vote here but I definitely do think scum was on my wagon at least maybe a sheep voter or two

[Ivo_Wake]

Helen hasn’t really shiwn substantial town motivation or any real interaction with players despite the fact they voted me for similar reasoning.

I just think the justification is a little hypocritical and I want helen to do more to convince that they aren’t worth the d2 push

[Gilbert_Lovell]

@Mary_Savill

However we have lots of classes that can kill that don’t have to be NK/Assassin.

doubt BD killer would kill this early though

[Gilbert_Lovell]

@Mary_Savill

/vote Alan

This post took a long time but I’ve caught up now completely, my vote goes here, even if the plan was to Jail Exe Alan, if Ivo isn’t the Real Prince, the Real Prince would probably prefer to jail Ivo over Alan. Alan is thus my vote as his progression is absolutely horrible, his constant switching on why he scumreads a player is also horrible, not to mention the Observer find.

d2 king lynch is really bad

[Alice_Alard]

I’m here but not really here. Kind of busy today but will still try to do my part.

Firstly, @Ivo_Wake, I want to apologize for my aggressive behavior yesterday. Was mostly frustrated at your immediate claim but I can’t change the past - and complaining just wastes time.

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Alan practically freezing up when I called him out for his horrible progression and reasoning is wolfy.
He never provided me with his take on Nicolas, after I asked twice.
He also started a list of reads/ISOs and never finished it.

@Isabel_Savage

The same Mary who was scum read by the dead CW.
I’m pretty sure that isn’t just a coincidence.

Meh. Don’t read too much into n1 kills. I don’t want you biasing yourself into a read because of n1 NKA.

@Gilbert_Lovell

if you are town idk if it’s conformation bias or just lack of experience but I hope you actually put effort into reading my slot

You haven’t done a whole lot recently. Perhaps people might feel better about you if you stopped only defending yourself and started solving the game and forming a towncore.
I think at this point you’re just echoing yourself a bunch, which isn’t inherently AI, but it’s clogging your ISO and unnecessary. Do other things.
What are your current townreads and why?

@Geoffrey_Bailey

I am still pissed at you for keeping me from doing my thing last night (you know what I am talking about)

Stop. This is stupid.
Don’t go any further into this soft.

@Geoffrey_Bailey

Conclusion
I think Jane’s vote on Ivo was opportunistic and the reasoning for the vote is shit. Jane starts out solving, but doesn’t really follow through with that and kind of sidelines. It also seems like they aren’t really putting out their own opinions too often and just ask for others opinions on the game, which kind of feels like fake solving. I would call this one of my scum reads

I like this post from Geoffrey, but I wish they would follow up with votes, questions, or some sort of pressure on the person they scumread?

@Emma_Maison

This statement is especially questionable to me. Why do these posts written by Mary “ooze towniness” in your eyes? I read them myself, more than once, and I don’t think a competent mafioso would be incapable of writing them.

I was wondering the same thing. Had to go right after he posted this, and forgot to mention it.

@Emma_Maison

I think it’s dangerous to assume the experience of each player in this game, since everyone is anonymous. I haven’t used player skill as a justification for my reads for that reason. The only time I did was with Nicolas earlier, just because the posts sounded like they were written by a pure villager with little self-confidence.

I’m trying not to base the main portion of any read on percieved experience level. I understand where you’re coming from with Geoffrey, and I’m honestly starting to agree a lot more, but their tone and word-choice give me the feeling that they are a villager who was genuinely frustrated that people were not reading their content, and they also feel… pure?
As I notice my bias on this, I’m starting to see other words where they aren’t TWTBAW and they’re just a wolf.
I think I just have this gut feeling that Geoffrey is the designated ML. But my gut should not be trusted, so I’m not going to try to dissuade people because of it.

@Emma_Maison

This looks like a towny mindmeld.

I chuckled.

@Peter_Carew

Wouldn’t be surprised if Nicolas was a wolf just from that post tbh, he’s a player to keep an eye because I always find people who question day 1 reads and opener reads tend to flip wolf.

Lucy questioned Andy’s opener, and flipped V. I disagree with this assessment.

@Peter_Carew

Susan trying to shut down players for having their thoughts in thread I don’t like at all. She seems to be actively aggressive too.

Find it interesting that you comment on Susan but not Lucy at any point, even though both died, and I mentioned both of them in my ISO (I believe I said more regarding Lucy, as well). Probably reading too much into this.

@Geoffrey_Bailey

I think they ooze towniness because the the tone in Mary’s posts are (a) innocent/genuine (b) they are trying to solve and ( c ) I like that they have their own takes instead of just asking questions

I don’t see these as enough to make someone locktown (or, 90%, as you put it), but this response feels fine.
It’s not padded with unnecessary wording. Straight to the point.

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Noting that Peter has a PoE, and actively tonereads Jane as a wolf, but isn’t pushing them very hard or really questioning them?
Maybe they will later on in this catch-up.

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Continuing on in a separate post so people don’t just skip over a bigass wall.

[Gilbert_Lovell]

@Alice_Alard

You haven’t done a whole lot recently. Perhaps people might feel better about you if you stopped only defending yourself and started solving the game and forming a towncore.

I made those on small school breaks in which I am obviously not gonna make reads then

@Alice_Alard

I think at this point you’re just echoing yourself a bunch, which isn’t inherently AI, but it’s clogging your ISO and unnecessary. Do other things.

I mean I know I repeated them but they are only made in response like how do I get the message across otherwise

[Gilbert_Lovell]

@Sarah_Lacey

What is going on?
I swear I muted Thomas…

Thanks for demotivating lots of us to not read through D1

this feels performative

[katze]

(katze cant) count

Vote target	Voted by	Votes
Geoffrey_Bailey	Jane_Drayton	1/9
Jane_Drayton	Nicolas_Adams, Peter_Carew	2/9
Helen_Harte	Isabel_Savage, Emma_Maison, Ivo_Wake	3/9
Isabel_Savage	Sarah_Lacey	1/9
Alan_Atlee	Mary_Savill	1/9
Andy_Bernard	Alice_Alard	1/9
Sarah_Lacey	Thomas_The_Second	1/9
Not Voting	Gilbert_Lovell, Geoffrey_Bailey, Andy_Bernard, Alan_Atlee, Edmond_Bailey, Helen_Harte	6

yell at me if anything is incorrect i just got out of bed

[Gilbert_Lovell]

@Sarah_Lacey

Top Town, in order:
Lucy - good behavior all around, from responses to Thomas to responses on reads. Helpful townie.
Alice - helpful with reads, experienced player we should listen to while actively mechsolving them
Thomas ( grumble grumble )

Top scum, in order:
Isabel

whyd you leave out reasoning on Isabel here?

[Gilbert_Lovell]

@Alice_Alard u on?

[Gilbert_Lovell]

@Sarah_Lacey

As previously noted, this post has a total of 2 weak scumleans, and lots of townreads, even giving some people light townleans even when they haven’t done much.

I dont see why townreads would be bad why didnt u point out flaws in their reads if you thought there was

[Gilbert_Lovell]

@Susan_Ailemer

T

Alice_Alard
Emma_Maison
Jane_Drayton
Lucy_Wrenne

Edmond_Bailey
Geoffrey_Bailey
Ivo_Wake
Nicolas_Adams

Sarah_Lacey, Helen_Harte

Andy_Bernard
Isabel_Savage

Mary_Savill
Gilbert_Lovell
Peter_Carew

W

Not reading: Self, Thomas, Alan

how did most of these reads pop into existence without progression or any mention about them before or reasoning attached

[Alice_Alard]

@Sarah_Lacey

Rolefishing

This isn’t rolefishing.
Thomas never asked for other Prince claims.

@Sarah_Lacey

Picking on inactives. 2 Egregious things, Thomas moves further up the scumlist even after getting replaced.

How are you supposed to read people if they don’t post?
Thomas didn’t push Jane for this, they just stated that they disliked them being on the sidelines.
Your past 2 arguments feel shady.
Are there other reasons you dislike Thomas?

@Sarah_Lacey

I think I like this claim!
Only comes from townies who have genuinely not read the thread

Why can’t it come from a wolf?

@Isabel_Savage

Ok you got me I was occupied.

Stop.
I’m getting tired of telling people to stop with this crap.
Just stop.

@Peter_Carew

Here I’ll answer your question

Yes there is another person in that PoE, you.

Spicy

@Emma_Maison

To be fair, I think that Alice is the towniest player alive. So, it’s not unwarranted to sheep her.

No please don’t lol
A. I don’t think I’m a very strong player
B. Sheeping me doesn’t allow me to see other people’s thought processes. It’s easy for wolves to just sheep top town.

@Emma_Maison

Say it with me. #NotMyKing.

#NotMyKing

@Isabel_Savage

If you read what I said earlier, Lucy was killed for being obvious town and I’m pretty sure one of the slots they scum read either killed them directly, or if group scum got their partner to do the deed.
Scum usually prefer to keep people who town read them for later and kill anyone who suspects them.

Meh
This NKA is an easy perspective for scum to push to get MLs. I still think you’re townie otherwise, but I don’t really like your focus on Lucy’s death.
Night 1 kills shouldn’t mean that much imo.

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Dude why are so many people saying Assassin and excluding the possibility of Cult

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@Mary_Savill

Hm, why is Ivo your choice here (Especially since Thomas preferred a Gilbert lynch)

I’m not going to sheep Thomas just because I townread them. I also wasn’t entirely sold on Gilbert and I said that.
I stated my reasoning for voting Ivo.

@Mary_Savill

Yeah, okay this is getting a bit too sus the amount of wagoning he got on him all of a sudden.

Who on the wagon do you find sus?

@Mary_Savill

/vote Alan

Vote someone other than King.
While I agree King is wolfy, we need the main pack.
Holy shit there are 10 replies to your post

@Emma_Maison

Then again, I would rather lynch Alan today if people are not opposed to the idea of killing the King, or Andy for blatantly lying about not realizing Thomas has been replaced (as well as being tracked to the nightkill, and being underwhelming analysis-wise, etc., etc.).

Someone claimed occupied, so I’m going to give Alan a night for a possible Butler to buttle.
Fine with killing him tomorrow if we get a wolf out today.

@Jane_Drayton

His read list here seems pretty town motivated enough, and have written down some pretty detailed information about them.

Expand on why you see this as town motivated please.

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Peter still isn’t pushing Jane very hard? They voted them and that’s about it.

@Peter_Carew

Going to make a very polarising read and say the top 4 posters besides James the First are likely town

Questions:
Did you read any of the game before replacing in, or overnight?
Did you view Thomas as scum during this, if so?

@Emma_Maison

What do you think about Gilbert?

@Emma_Maison

I meant this question as more of a gun-to-head, but I think I missed your brief presence in the thread.

Sorry.
GTH slight scumlean atm.
I don’t know if I feel comfortable voting here though?
I’m going to take another look at Gilbert soon and re-read what both you and Thomas said on the slot.

@Thomas_The_Second

/vote Sarah

Actual read-based vote rather than a blind OMGUS while fakeclaiming a red this time.

Guess I’ll check this out too.
Think I missed your take.

@Geoffrey_Bailey

interact or die, you have a few hours before I place my vote

Just vote.

@Gilbert_Lovell

u on?

Yeah but i’ll brb
Whats up

[Gilbert_Lovell]

@Thomas_The_Second

ALSO I’M A WARLOCK, USING CARNAGE NOW SO NK/UNSEEN/CULT PLEASE DOINK THE PRINCE TONIGHT.

tell me how this isnt NE claim and I am just crazy

they dont seem like a memey type

[Ivo_Wake]

When ur at 5/9 votes all of a sudden when you wake up you do kinda panic

[Ivo_Wake]

Meant at alice but whatever

[Alice_Alard]

Warlock doesn’t exist
Also I socially read Thomas as town

Tbh if they are ballsy enough to out as NE here and get themself bonked by a lynch tomorrow or town KP on another night
Good for them lmao
I kinda just brushed off the claim

@Ivo_Wake

When ur at 5/9 votes all of a sudden when you wake up you do kinda panic

Yeah it’s understandable. I just wish it went differently, but I can’t change it now so shrug.
I don’t really hold it against you a ton.
Let’s make up for it and kill some wolves.

[Ivo_Wake]

I could pretend to be a pathetic waste of time not worth killing.

Honestly the worst thing about outing is that protectives have to be even more careful.

Some positives about it at least

[Ivo_Wake]

We need a “Strong” prince while I can’t fully fulfill it I do think I can do a decent enough Job

I hate PRs so much pressure that I don’t need

[Alice_Alard]

Hey so since you’re an outted Prince now,
We can at least get one positive thing out of this:

What do you want jailed people to provide in their only message to you?