Why are you still trying to vote, there’s a Grand Trial.
It’s time for me to dissect Peter’s post.
These posts look more like a scumcase than an objective case, meaning conclusion before analysis. And that is known to come from mafia.
That said, Peter sometimes tries to see things which are not 100% scummy. Which is slightly better than “everything Jane did was mafia indicative.”
The point I bolded is very good and possibly indicative of opportunistic progression from Jane. I like the fact Peter caught that.
I like this piece of analysis, specifically the bolded, because it shows hesitance instead of certainty. It is indicative of an uninformed perspective.
I think this entire post is definitely more than a little confirmation biased. However, you do raise some good points against Jane, and the case itself does not look like 100% agenda. Currently, I believe that it could come from mafia, but it’s more likely to come from town. It’s definitely a townier post than most things you had written beforehand.
It’s just strange to me that you could write such a detailed mafia read, yet all of your posts beforehand had been much less developed and well-explained. I had considered you the type of player who hardly ever explains their reads, but here you came, barreling in with a detailed scumread. I don’t think it means anything for your alignment (outside of tinfoil that “mafia partners helped to write the post”), it just struck me as odd.
Overall, I think I’m satisfied with this, and I’ll go take a look at Jane next.
Did I miss a host announcement about Grand Trial being in play?
If there is a Grand Trial in play, then I am 100%:
/vote pardon
-ing. The King’s push was in bad faith, and I have received town pings from Mary a few times. Enough for me to not think about this decision too hard.
It’s currently not began, but the King sent one in. We’re just waiting for Kat to get online.
We haven’t got a host announcement yet, though the King did put Grand Trial on their Class card.
Jane’s early posts do not give me much of an impression either way. She asks some questions and talks about a few reads, but there is nothing there that strongly pings me.
This post in particular looks really off, to the point that it makes Jane look like a convert. I don’t want to focus on convert hunting, but the jump in progression from Ivo being Jane’s top townread on day 1 -> Ivo being a “deep wolf / powerwolf” to Jane on day 2 is too notable to ignore. It comes across as opportunistic, and as sheeping a town-motivated wagon for Jane’s convenience.
Jane even admits that there isn’t a good reason for the vote, other than “potential for being a deep wolf / powerwolf.” This is a sheep vote that contradicts Jane’s prior progression completely. Which is why it looks opportunistic.
That… doesn’t really seem to fit the way the vote was cast. I’m not inclined to believe this explanation.
Which I don’t believe. This isn’t about Jane, this is about Andy. I still think Andy is just mafia who was tracked to the nightkill. Or NK. And he has been going under the radar recently for reasons I can’t comprehend.
The “snap read” justification is strange, because I don’t really believe you could have so many “snap reads.” It reads more like an excuse for pushing people against your progression later on, which Jane did, because “it was just a snap read, it doesn’t mean anything.”
I agree with that, at least. Most of the game has interacted with Thomas. You can’t just put people in PoE for the sinful act of interacting with Thomas 1. Not for that alone, at least.
I don’t think this excuse is beyond a mafia member’s capacity to fake, but I understand if others disagree with me.
Overall, my read on Jane is that she is a scumlean. I couldn’t find enough to justify townreading or townleaning her, but I also haven’t found enough to fully commit to a scumread. Considering the presence of questionable progression jumps, and suspicious justifications for her actions, I’m putting Jane below the null line, but not quite at the bottom.
My spiritual vote is on Gilbert. And, obviously, the Grand Trial is a mistake of enormous proportions. If you are a Butler, kill the King and I will townread you.
This is partially a joke, but I would really like the King to cease breathing, and soon. What he did with his push on Mary and the Grand Trial that seemingly followed was tantamount to claiming mafia.
And like I said before, in my eyes, the King’s push on Mary was definitely in bad faith. However, I’m not infallible, so I will just say this. Considering Alan’s push on Mary, he must have thought that Mary’s alignment was opposite to the King’s alignment. Meaning, if the King is mafia, then the King thought Mary was town. And if the King is town, then the King thought Mary was mafia. It’s more important if the King is mafia than if the King is town, but I’m entertaining both possibilities for the sake of remaining objective.
And this is mostly because I have started to fully agree with what Thomas 2 has said about him. And yet, the suspicion on Gilbert is being generally ignored, which is something I really don’t like.
If I have a moment, I will look through Sarah as well. This Grand Trial is an utter waste of time and resources from my perspective, nothing more, nothing less.
why is that?
Explained later.
Has Gilbert been there in this game?
I don’t remember them participating much in this game.
In fact I didn’t see them say a single word while the King and Mary had that big argument.
It’s almost as though he’s doing what I’d expect a wolf to do when a fight like that occurs.
Sit back and not interfere so that hopefully two townies tear each other apart.
Yeah I think /vote Gilbert isn’t a bad idea here.
I mean I adressed everything they said would be good if you then responded to my response or at least point out which reasons you think I am scum for
I was thinking what it said about alans aligment and why would I prevent them from giving out their concerns to each others
I then asked few questions from alan to be sure I wasnt mistaked on his thought process which led me to townread him
You still haven’t made significant alignment reads on anyone, and your responses regarding Susan looked like attempts to fake a townslip (this is where me and Thomas 2 disagree). Also, nobody seems to want to wagon you, despite general suspicion on you flying about. These three factors combined are enough to vote.
Add general defensiveness, and strange dissonance between reads on Thomas and reads on anyone else (you go in-depth on Thomas and reach the conclusion that he could be Neutral Evil, but this depth of thought does not apply to any other reads I have seen from you during this game), and it makes you look like mafia who struggles to produce legitimate reasons to scumread people, relying on neutral reads instead.
I could re-read your ISO and continue evaluating you, but I would first like to know if the Grand Trial is legitimate or not. If it is legitimate, I’ll have more time to consider this than I otherwise would have.
Gilbert has definitely existed, he just hasn’t been a strong voice at all, despite having multiple expressed scumreads to pursue. The point about Gilbert possibly ignoring an argument because he is mafia seems a little far-fetched, since we don’t know the alignment of either Mary or Alan, but it’s possible.
And what have you found that helps you conclude what the King’s alignment is?
Hmm spicy town read on the King who I null scum read.
I find the King unimpressive so far though if there are butlers this game, they probably are resolving N2 anyway.
With king pretty much openwolfing, I kind of doubt I’ll be in allies, so I’ll be leaving a legacy once I get to my pc.
Emma did you read my wall on Jane/Peter before doing yours? We have similar conclusions and I want to know if you went in biased
Also if Mary is around, I believe we can kind-of negate the GT by doing an immediate pardon atfer their defense?
At least I think its majority based
We can do this or we can take the extra time to attempt to solve more, but unless we execute Mary we will not be flipping anyone today
Yeah it’s obvious we’re pardoning Mary here.
Once one of the hosts processes it and the defence is over, we pardon.
Which is unfortunate it came to this.
Eh I need sleep.
Cya later everyone.