SFoL 64: Duel of the Juggernauts discussion and balance thread

[Vulgard]

@Amelia

Because Prestige is ehhh in this

Prestige is kinda pointless because they would just get anticlaimed upon resolving.

[Amelia]

Also if Librarian existed the entire Log Network would get anticlaimed

[Vulgard]

There’s actually a lot of Social things in this setup even without Social classes. Wolf Mystic chat, the Worshipper neighborhood, Audience chat, Arbiter’s Entrust chat.

I can’t wait for someone to be added to multiple chats at the same time and cry. Bonus points if they are a wolf.

[Amelia]

wolf would love Arbiter/Priestess chat because then they know who the PRs are

[TheBlueElixir]

@Vulgard

Very few abilities HoB has completely out a wolf, which is the point.

imagine not praising mech to play the game for you

I think that the other investigatives can, at least better

@N.1

Tarot Card (Night) - Choose up to three players other than yourself. At the end of the night, you will learn the class type of up to three of them, at random (with a minimum of one player). Special classes are shown as Investigative. Tarot Card does not count as a visit. (0 uses)

this can catch fakeclaims too, just better. The difference being this is an every other night though

@N.1

Social Links (Night) - Choose two players. You will learn if they match . If their class types are not in the same grouping (Killer/Offensive; Support/Social; Special/Investigative), you will receive no match. If their class types are in the same grouping, but still different, you will receive a good match. If their class types are the exact same, you will receive a perfect match.
Faction Links (Night) - Check if two players have the same alignment. If they do, you will receive a match. If they do not, you will receive no match. Does not bypass framing, godfathers or tailoring. (1 use)

admittedly is less scoom catching

@N.1

Silent Stalking (Night) - Learn who a player visits tonight.
Midnight Vigil (Night) - Learn who visited target player tonight. (2 uses)

catch scoom

I see your point

most of them cant just catch scum for you, most of them are confirming claims that cant happen so they have to rely on softs

I think

[Vulgard]

Exactly. Which is why you’re encouraged to use them correctly.
Arbiter has a fairly easy time because they can just add a greencheck, unless they greenchecked the Elder (who’s the only Syndicate member Arbiter can greencheck).

[Amelia]

Watchman can be bypassed by the Confessor though

[TheBlueElixir]

1/6 scum

but since only 1 of them are attacking anyway

I see your point

[TheBlueElixir]

@N.1

When there are only two or fewer Syndicate members left aliv

@N.1

they do not count as actions or visits.

nvm watchman isn’t that much stronger

[Amelia]

rip Harbinger’s godfather

[TheBlueElixir]

@N.1

Omen of Remorse (Passive)

I don’t know what that means but the harbringer is clearly upset

[Vulgard]

Removed invest immunity from Harbinger because it felt pointless. Arbiter bypassed it anyway, and the only other HoB class with a direct alignment check is Socialite, who has a 1-shot parity check.

Also, Elder now loses their immunities upon joining the factional chat. The reason is because learning who your teammates are is enough of a benefit to offset this – plus, it felt weird to me to keep things like “Syndicate attacks you, you gain X” when you’re already in their chat and they know who you are. This makes Elder weaker mechanically after it joins the chat, by a significant amount; however, their individual power beforehand is probably the highest among all the wolf classes, so it balances itself out. You could actively try not to find the wolves, but you will be at a strategic disadvantage if you do this and you also won’t get sweet, sweet dayvigs.

[Amelia]

I can’t wait to inevitably roll Arbiter or Priestess and end up being forced to open claim D2 for various reasons

[katze]

@Amelia

end up being forced to open claim D2 for various reasons

what may those reasons be

[Amelia]

Probably being pushed up and almost lynched

[TheBlueElixir]

@N.1

Syndicate members (rounded up) have received a notification about the Elder investigating them at any point during the game, you will automatically join their chat when that condition is met. From that point forward, you will also have access to the factional abilities of the Syndicate .

hmm so this is for late game only, unless the elder is really good

I want to say it should be easier

but then less dayvigs

[Vulgard]

Considering the lack of alignment checks and the power of the Arbiter, I also ended up reworking the Harbinger passive.

Omen of Remorse (Passive) - Whenever a player visits you, they become framed until you die (all investigative abilities will return the opposite results if they target a framed player). The Arbiter bypasses this framing completely.

Since the effect is stronger, I made it end when the player with this class dies.

[Amelia]

wait but if I become Prophetic or Purified King, then I won’t be able to Guard the Templar

[Vulgard]

@TheBlueElixir

hmm so this is for late game only, unless the elder is really good

I want to say it should be easier

but then less dayvigs

Basically, if your reads are good, then you get rewarded. I like roles like these. I think every single role should have this in mind.

[TheBlueElixir]

the priestess and arbiter will probably PR swap to avoid anti claim but be respected

@Vulgard

Considering the lack of alignment checks and the power of the Arbiter, I also ended up reworking the Harbinger passive.

with so little direct alignment checks framing doesn’t do a ton as is, but arbiter should be bypassing if he also kills his targets