[SFoL] SFoL 60 - Randomizer - Day 3 (14/18) - The Blue Dragon and Mercenary Win!

[SogMan]

no wolf would be as outright suicidal as him

[Marshal]

what do you mean “outright suicidal”

[Arete]

:joy_cat:

@Vulgard

I’ll still be watching to see if he maintains this level of posting, but overall, I am not going to call him WOLF WOLF WOLF today. Probably.

@Vulgard

Weoo, weoo. Alarm bells. Wazza posted a readlist super early for no good reason, and it does not match his progression whatsoever. The previous posts in his ISO are fluff, so that readlist comes out of absolutely nowhere.
That said, since it makes no sense whatsoever, maybe it might come from a villager. Warrants a closer look, probably.

@Vulgard

This is either a perspective slip or incorrect play. Leaning toward the second. The question is what he’s trying to accomplish with this.
Probably worth getting back to this later.

@Vulgard

I think the way Possessed is getting hounded in the thread might indicate he’s a villager, but I don’t want to clear him for dumb reasons so I won’t bet on this being the truth.

@Vulgard

Italy’s posts have been really meh. I know it’s normal for him to not try day 1, but still.

@Vulgard

Ami hasn’t really done anything, but I don’t want to make a read on her until day 2 unless she posts more. I feel like I always misread her if I approach a read on her too early.

@Vulgard

There’s one problem with Ami’s posts I have, and it’s the fact that while they could be considered towny for Ami, they are not unfakeable. In fact, they are easily fakeable. All Ami has to do is to meme a little, ping a couple of individuals and yell at them.
She’s going to be perpetual LHF if she doesn’t play, and since her WiM is allegedly already low… meh. Once I inevitably die night 1 as the only locktown player in the game, you should probably push her and see how she reacts. She’s in the pile of “push and see if they start playing.”
And yes, I do realize it’s early day 1, but I do things for a reason.

@Vulgard

Hmm. Is this wifom? I feel like it might not be.

[Arete]

like half of these are from 641

[SogMan]

his posts are risky and sometimes outright making himself suspicious. like the whole alice bleeding thing. but he might just be a very persistent shitposter

[Marshal]

hmm

i kinda just wanna slap locktown on arete cuz their thought process makes sense

but im not gonna

[Arete]

we both know that I can have thought processes that make sense as both alignments

[Marshal]

yeah

but this is like one where i feel it’s not as easily fakeable

like your kat read in RM4 that i liked(the reasoning behind it, not the conclusion)

[CRichard564]

I mean Vulgard socially is town leaning. That’s why I put my other 3 reads as town leaning.

[Marshal]

There are general trends and differences between the posts and I understand where u come form on this

but it isn’t a clear cut fakeable process IMO

[Marshal]

however

arete stronk town
poss p good likeliness town
vul = whatever arete has him as
derps town but with an asterix

[Marshal]

sog i think i am leaning town on rn

[Marshal]

seth also a lean town

but i want more from that slot

[Marshal]

Marshal
Arete
Possessed
Derps

Vulgard

Sog
seth

towncore

tbd

townleans

[Marshal]

ooh here’s something i wanted to do

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@Vulgard how have you used these philosophies so far/how do u plan to use them

@Vulgard

if you are alive as a villager past the midgame then the wolves kept you alive on purpose because you are not able to figure them out
think from the perspective of the wolves. they are not going to kill the players who are wrong
if you are right, you are the prime target for nightkills
so if you are alive late in the game as a villager and you still think your reads are correct
they are not correct
and you have wolves in your townreads 90% of the time

@Vulgard

i will say that re-evaluating might not always work but it’s always better than not doing anything and continuing to tunnel villagers until the end of the game
if you re-evaluate, you have a chance to catch a wolf
if you don’t, you just… don’t
you guarantee yourself to lose the game after having tunneled villagers the whole game

@Vulgard

obviously yes, don’t throw the game
and yes, don’t be inactive

but about throwing
don’t be selfish
it’s actually bad for you as any alignment that isn’t neutral. do the thing that benefits your team as a whole instead of doing the thing that only benefits you
you can fix it by doing those things and more: working with others instead of pursuing exclusively your own reads and tunneling, trying to help solve the game while being pushed as a villager instead of AtEing and getting mad, not doing anything rash while town is about to lose the game regardless of how much you believe in your impulsive idea , etc., etc.
basically, think bigger-picture at all times
unless you’re a neutral in which case all you think about is how to advance your agenda without dying (in most cases)
but if you’re town or groupscum, try to benefit your entire team instead of just yourself
that’s how you win games
not by hero shooting people or tunneling
that works super rarely and if it does work it’s more frequently because of luck rather than anything else

@Vulgard

selfish play really is tantamount to throwing in some cases and the idea that “you must always keep yourself alive, kicking and prioritized” should die
even if you are a PR, it’s your team that has to win and you must work with it instead of rejecting everyone and doing your own thing with generally small chances of success
there’s a ton of ways it manifests and i could point them out as specific examples but i feel like that would be a bit much
if somebody wants me to, i will

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@ChopChop

I think the issue is and the issue I personally have is I tend to do allot of Gut Reads.
On other sites play sometimes resolved around Strong Players only which I completely despise as a game shouldn’t rely on a player and only that player’s alignment wins.

My suggestion is to use a Method called “Town Deduction”

Town Deduction and how it works:

Pretty much your looking for Town instead of Scum.
So instead of Scum Hunting your Town Hunting.
It’s a type of PoE Method where you have your Town Reads on one side and Not Town Reads on the other side.
So the side that doesn’t have your Town Reads are known as Your “Lynch Options”
Alternatively, anyone in that section of your PoE can be lynched.

Now moving on to the second part of the method.
Who to Lynch?
I know that some people Town read people that others don’t really Town read.
That’s fine.
How to figure out a lynch is by “ Town Control ”
Now your probably wondering well WTF is “Town Control” it’s pretty much where Town Motivation becomes a key factor.
To figure out the lynch it resolved around these 4 things

• The Case on each Individual
• Information that can be gained upon the individual being lynched
• Comparison Towards other Individuals that could be considered as Town or scum buddies with the Individual in Question
• Resistance Towards an Individual in Question. An Individual that doesn’t seem like it’s going to be Top Wagon. More or Less a Resistance that seems to effect the game state where that persons wagon doesn’t get bigger and stays there or shortens despite not having any reason for it to no longer be pressured.

IMPORTANT REMINDER :

Voting someone who’s easy to lynch (in everyone’s non Town reads) or Sheeping the Best Player in the game won’t necessarily ensure a scum lynch so it is NEVER the Best Method as I have allot of experience with people doing that and it’s why I be a bit toxic at times.

@ChopChop
how have you been using this philosophy, and how do you plan to continue using it

[Marshal]

also

where everyone go

[Marshal]

@discobot give me your reads

[discobot]

Hi! To find out what I can do, say @discobot display help.

[Marshal]

locktown

[SogMan]

bro disco is definetly lockscum