[SFoL] SFoL 63 - Triple Threat: Virtuous - Game Over (4/26) - Blue Dragon (evils) win!

[clonedcheese]

here’s your flaw:

@clonedcheese

Why do you push me so hard out of hearsay?

None of your arguments are your arguments.
You accuse me out of other people’s opinions, and even an incomplete representation of what actually happened.
Please note that you’re being incredibly unwise here.

[Leafia]

That’s not a flaw when I think that they’re correct.

[clonedcheese]

@clonedcheese

even an incomplete representation of what actually happened.

[clonedcheese]

@Leafia

That’s not a flaw when I think that they’re correct.

That is a flaw.
Because such an act borders on teaming for an agenda.

[Wazza]

@Leafia

Feign Symptoms (Day) - Make a player believe they started bleeding and will die in two nights if not healed. - 2 uses

@clonedcheese

Did you use this on me?

[Wazza]

I feel like you did

[Leafia]

Cloned, you’re not going to convince me that you’re not the Visionary here so stop trying. You’re practically caught scum right now.

[clonedcheese]

You should always have your own opinion.
The process of taking in others’ opinions and determining things should be to improve your judgement, not to completely take over it

“I think you’re scum because other people have said you’re scum” is no platform to claim that I am 100% visionary.

[Leafia]

I do have my own opinion here.

[clonedcheese]

@Leafia

Most of it hinges on Alice thinking the Visionary is likely between you and Soul though and no way is he the Visionary with how he’s acting.

Not from what you jsut told me.

[ash4fun]

If she believes players are town, it’s not a “logical flaw” to believe what they say.

Ignoring what everybody else is saying and trying to hunt scum on your own is actually a really easy way to not win as town.

[Leafia]

Just because my opinion is tempered by what I hear from others doesn’t mean it isn’t my own opinion.

[Whysper]

Cloned pretty much listed the arguments against hiimself in this post.

@clonedcheese

@Alice

Mind telling me why you are voting Leafia?

Vote came when wazza pointed out the arbiter thing
Was then scummy and paranoid so vote stayed

@Whysper

I get the impression that clonedcheese might be the last BD.

@clonedcheese

In previous games, most notably FoL 29 (idk, the most recent one), Vulgard picked on inactive LHF as scum with weak reasoning. PK’s behavior, although self aware and fluffy at places, has generally be towny - more egregious imo than

I was trying to move the attention away from PK and onto Vulgard, saying that he reads PK as town and Vul as scum and even voting against him

I think this is the main argument against me - for “defending” PK and shifting attention to Vulgard, the attacker.
However I still stand by that PK did nothing to be a dead giveaway to him being scum - people accused him of being self-aware and fluffy in my past game, and yet they were town. Vulgard, on the other hand, seemed to be attacking someone that he knew wouldn’t sufficiently attack back, a common play from them.
Now, after PK and insanity have flipped, I still think there’s something fishy with Vulgard - maybe I just don’t believe that they’re that good.

@Moleland

Conclusion: Wow. Was really resistant to PKs lynch and was weird all day. Rating: 9/10

Same argument here by Mole. Idk what he means by “weird all day” (I’m guessing fluffy), but I still believe that Vulgard was scummier in my eyes yesterday than PK.
I would also like to point out that this post by mole was litterally “here are many possibilities but it’s cheese”, as evident by their 5/6/7 ratings for everyone else saying “meh” and then a 9 rating for me.

@Soulshade55r

can you do something if your town I get you might still be pushed but in general saying nothing is always worse I understand being demotivated when everyone doesn’t trust you but you need to push back.

…It’s not really that I’m demotivated by people pushing me
Rather I’m demotivated by the fact that I feel like I’m dying

@Soulshade55r

jumps on leafia randomly comes across as weird it’s not like it’s day 1 when we have nothing better to do

At the time I thought it was like 99% conclusive
Not many individuals call themselves the arbiter

@ash4fun

cloned is literally saying, “everything he’s doing points to him being town, but I think he’s a wolf. Also PK has been scummy but i’ma say he’s towny lol. vote vlugard.”

“everything he’s doing points to him acting like town, so I think he’s a wolf. Also PK has been ‘scummy’ but when hasn’t he lol. vote vulgard”

@ATNoName

give me a reason why I should change my vote

I am not scum.
I can claim if you people want to, but I don’t think that’s necessary yet.
also how would i convince EK to not vote a town

[Leafia]

@ash4fun

If she believes players are town, it’s not a “logical flaw” to believe what they say.

Ignoring what everybody else is saying and trying to hunt scum on your own is actually a really easy way to not win as town.

This is 100% true.

[clonedcheese]

And I have given my argument in that post.

Although my judgement was incorrect EoD yesterday, I was doing it from a perspective of town trying to solve and catch scum in their natural habitat.

[clonedcheese]

@ash4fun

If she believes players are town, it’s not a “logical flaw” to believe what they say.

…I guess I’m just frustrated that the most vocal argument is a sheep.

[an_gorta_pratai]

@clonedcheese

angleshooting

Potentially spicy read coming up soon

@Vulgard @Moleland can you describe why you dislike pk?

@clonedcheese

Alright I am back with:

/vote Vulgard

Although they have been generally helpful and trying to solve, that in itself doesn’t tell much; from his actions, I believe that his slot is trying to skew town’s judgement.

In previous games, most notably FoL 29 (idk, the most recent one), Vulgard picked on inactive LHF as scum with weak reasoning. PK’s behavior, although self aware and fluffy at places, has generally be towny - more egregious imo than

And this was a post starting the PK wagon:

@Vulgard

/vote PsychoKing would be nice to have more than one wagon

Then follows up with:

@Vulgard

would be nice to hit a wolf day 1

i hope everyone gets off of vanity wagons by the end of the day

And this was today, just a few hours ago. I see this slot as trying to lightly push town towards a ML that they cannot be accounted for.

@clonedcheese

@clonedcheese

PK’s behavior, although self aware and fluffy at places, has generally be towny

^^ this

I also realized that I didn’t really finish a sentence:

@clonedcheese

more egregious imo than

“pushing on this is more egregious imo than pushing seth for tunneling”

@clonedcheese

Is false; I defended PK and tried to turn the lynch to Vulgard.

You didn’t do crap to shift it to Vulgard. You voted Vulgard and explained your vote, but didn’t loudly push Vulgard

[Leafia]

This is certainly true.

[clonedcheese]

@an_gorta_pratai

You voted Vulgard and explained your vote, but didn’t loudly push Vulgard

…you may want to try and look for other posts.
Yes I did try and push Vulgard.
I have a post somewhere after the 2nd one that does so.

or it may be just that I was a little too light
i tend to do that sometimes

[clonedcheese]

@clonedcheese

Do I still think Vulgard to be scummy
Yes kinda
“I dunked 2 wolves” is more possible as bussing scum than town i think, if the person in question is comfortable solo carrying the game

@clonedcheese

I can say that if I had as much respect + talking power as Vul then I’d 100% go for that play

@clonedcheese

rather my suspicion is that it’s a fake bleed, with one of their teammates purposely not using a bleed, in order to clear vul

…ok granted I wasn’t pushing them after the two flipped
kinda have a shitty memory of time around EoD1 tbh, the 2nd post on gorta’s was the 2nd to last one before I left

@an_gorta_pratai

but didn’t loudly push Vulgard

This is true, because I didn’t exist EoD1.
My bad.
The statement of Leafia being incorrect still stands; I had no relation with insanity and was not against PK.