We are now in the 300 something ISO territory this is why I have been putting this off
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All caught up like always, so wallpost alert incoming.
Centuriesā reaction to Sethās āpushā read like genuine frustration ā similar to PKR on D1. I think these posts:
Look more or less good? I think if Centuries was scum heād feel more pressured to produce some sort of scumreads instead of just saying āYeah I donāt have any, and Iām not going to post manufactured readsā, not to mention that (this is pretty much outed information at this point and Iām certain that everyone has seen it) we know that Centuries is invest ā which in a Cult game can only be starting Seeker.
I donāt like being hung up on mech but I think thereās literally no more room for him to be scum ā either Seeker or last nightās convert, imo.
Unless both Wazza and Centuries are groupscum together and this was premeditated but thatās a completely baseless tinfoil.
Disappointed with the fact that PKR claimed for no reason too, especially since there was zero pressure on him, but I suppose it helps us to resolve the potential Frostweaver situation for the price of putting a target on his back. Still agree with Eightyās sentiment that we shouldnāt fully clear people on claiming though.
On TBE himself, reading back I liked this post:
And his other responses to Chloe looked mostly fine to me, even if I do agree with her that him just putting that idea of āsomeone should read into interactions with Anstreimā and then not doing it was off.
Will probably have to re-read him later on.
Readlist:
TRās/TLās:
Chloe
PK
Jane
CRichard
EightySecond
Unknown
PKR
Emilia
Seth
Centuries
Highway_101
Gorta
Nulls:
Wazza
TBE
SLās/SRās:
Blizer
The main problem is that our PoE is reduced to Blizer/arguably Wazza/TBE, and Iām not really feeling the latter, while Blizer seems to be completely dead.
To be honest this reminds me D1 all over again. If we presume that someone is being miscleared like TBE mentioned in his post:
Going over TRās:
-Chloe/PK are never starting groupscum because of mechanics. (Unless PK is CL/MM and Chloe is a secondary scum and this was all staged, but I donāt believe in this at all. Also imo Chloe has a very noticeable tone shift when she is scum and Iām not seeing this here);
-Janeās posts all still look good to me ā the fact that they seem to constantly push their own viewpoint and thoughts. I would expect them to be pockety and try to stay under the radar, which isnāt what is happening here at all. Granted, this is mostly my observations from turbos;
-CRichard is just town. His tone feels fine, and even though he seems to post less I think it doesnāt mean much. Also our discussion in Allies makes me more convinced that heās not scum here;
-EightySecond ā already extensively talked about her slot, but from the recent posts I actually think that the RT on Wazza was good. āGoodā in a sense that she gave her reasoning and backed it all up ā I donāt see what scum stood to gain from it. She pointed out that she noticed him softing, then thought that he was retracting said soft ā it doesnāt make much sense to bring that to attention if you are scum? Also I still havenāt seen a single good case on her slot even though numerous people seem to SL her, and at this point it seems like we are never going to get one;
-Unknown is same as Eighty, I talked about them before. The āslipā that PKR found doesnāt read like a slip to me, and my general impression from them was just a newer player. I think they would be far more careful and self-aware if they were scum, even if most of their recent posting is just fluff.
Going over TLās:
-Iāve already elaborated on Emilia/Centuries and why I think both are probably town;
-Gorta dropped in activity a bit but Iāve seen him popping in the thread yesterday and I still stand by my words that him trying to explain his thoughts early on seemed towny ā Iād expect him to feel a lot more strained as scum, though I guess if he dips for a while and does nothing then he might have to be reevaluated;
-Seth is just never a priority because he is King;
-Highway is in the same spot as Blizer ā dead;
-Talked about PKR before: He seems to be hung up on mech and his constant apologizing seemed weird, but both are ānormalā for him. Would like to hear more things from him in general.
So where is the scum, then?
Forgot I linked TBEās post instead of quoting it because it was huge, itās this one:
part 2 of 2
Anstreim
Ans is likely town here. It doesnāt look like Ans is trying to leave breadcrumbs for some dumb unsuspecting townie to pickup and use to push a mislynch and such. I will admit that I am paranoid of the slot, but I like that they are trying to force reads out of me. That shows that they are kind of trying to solve. my paranoia is the only thing keeping me from making this a TR
Unknown
Where do I even start on this slot? Everything about it feels fake and off, like that opening wall post doesnāt come from someone who is brand new to FM and these questions could easily be faked. The comment about āwhat if itās a Unseen gameā just reeks of trying to make an excuse if someone does flip cult (which is likely). To sum this up I donāt feel like clearing this on just being a newbie. I wonāt have another Leafia get under the cracks. this is a sl/possible sr for me unless they can somehow prove that they are town
Chloe
I am also paranoid about this slot, as the last two times I TR here she was scum. I think she is likely town here, as she is helpful and trying to solve, but at the same time I am kind of paranoid here. Her thing with Arete seemed genuine, as Arete was scummy as hell and obviosly not town. Her posts are decent, but I know those are fakeable. I suppose this is a very light TL
This was hell to make, but I just made reads on the highest top posts, so thatās something and also why my activity dipped
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When you say āeverything feels fake and offā, could you give a few quotes that made you think that? Aside from first wallpost because I have a feeling it mightāve just been copied/reworded.
There is a good amount of fluff in their ISO but they still donāt really read like an experienced player to me. Do you think that these, for example:
Are all āfakeā and they are just pretending to be a newbie or something?
Whatās your read on PKR? I read this slot as town even before they claimed to have healed Ans.
Like Unknown said they wrote the wallpost pre game, but what kind of newbie writes something like that and canāt tell that gscum donāt know the EK? Even in my first SFoL I could tell that the king does not know the gscum. Itās little questions like that that contrast with some of their other posts.
I think it can be theatrics, yes I do.There is just a certain contrast between some posts that make me go hmmmmmm. I could be wrong here, but this slot only has ābeing newā going for it and you shouldnāt clear them on that alone.
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Iāve already mentioned that I suspect them to be the NK, and that, if they are not the NK, they are most likely just Town.
Yet no one else has claimed to have healed Ans.
Iām inclined to think PKR isnāt NK unless someone else speaks up and claims to have healed Ans.
We cleared Leafia on ābeing newā in Insurgency and it turns out Leafia was a wolf
I myself think itās a good idea to not fish for potential healers. Like, I know that this was probably not your intention, but yeah.
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Of course Iām not asking healers to out themselves. Iām saying that unless there is information suggesting PKR is fake claiming the heal on Ans, then PKR is fine here.
The whole āKing is not T/T or W/Wā argument was pretty meh in general and I confess I didnāt read that deep into it.
Also it does seem like they know some terminology but not all of it, though I think Chloe (?) also found that part to be weird.
I still kinda doubt that someone experienced would try to RP as a newbie and then fake āslipā like that ā I really donāt have a better word for it. Like whatās the point of doing this, if an experienced player could probably play normally and still get TRād or something.
Unless you think that they are literally doing this just so that they donāt have to post reads and put much effort into their play?
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And no one else should ever be claiming healing/not healing me, period.
We already have too many people outed. Can we drop this.
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Iām seriously thinking that Blizer should be dealt with by the Executioner. On the other hand, who should we jettison today if not Blizer?