SFoL62 - Regal Lions - Cult and Oneiromancer Victory!

[TheBlueElixir]

/unvote

forgot about that

i will wait a bit before voting PKR; theyll probably be back and respond to Jane’s thing before EOD

[EliThePsycho]

I’m here, I read through thread, and I want to know what y’alls PoE looks like.

Mine is:

Gorta, TBE, PKR

[TheBlueElixir]

re-eval gorta please

or like, provide reasoning for that one

me too, but I dont think I get much say in that

[EliThePsycho]

aint gonna lie I just looked at the votecount and thought “hmm, which of these do I think would be good lynching candidates”

[anon6348071]

@PokemonKidRyan

If I am being a bit of a smart ass (Which I am thinking of right now)
Technically Blizer has at least 2/3 of the votes AND is a L-1.
So the 1 or another wincon… would it still work if both happen?

I think this was mostly him wondering if both win conditions apply simultaneously, even though I’m not sure why one would bother with that since fulfilling at least 1 of those already wins Fiddler the game.

@PokemonKidRyan

Frostweaver bled. If this is the case we have to be super careful whether we heal Magnus or not.

This is actually a curious part, because he himself talked about this before and still decided to heal me.
But I’ve more or less talked about that above – just disregard the part where I thought Condemnation was a Night ability because I’m apparently illiterate.

@PokemonKidRyan

I am literally gonna have to look this up.
I have heard “Deathstalker” or “Darkstalker” or whatever.
But like wtf is it?

This does look somewhat performative to me, but I’ve seen several people sign up for a game and not read the OP so I didn’t pay much attention to it.

@PokemonKidRyan

You should do a slot for claims.

This part was weird but I mostly interpreted that as laziness – though it should be obvious why putting that information in the thread would be -EV.

@Jane

Not really AI, but like I mentioned before, that wasn’t actual analysis - You listed all of the possibilities.

Don’t think that’s much of an argument since he has been doing this the whole game.

And I already mentioned that I think the whole “Darkstalker TMI” discussion was not good, mainly because I don’t believe that was a slip in any world – but he didn’t really elaborate on it when I pointed that out. Also the only time it could be a slip was if Unknown was NK themselves, and I don’t really see it either?

I’ll admit I’m not a fan of his reaction and selfvote + AtE, not to mention that logic between me somehow being safer to heal than Magnus is something that I don’t understand.

Also can I ask you why did you choose the most eyeburning colors possible and why did you decide to color this abomination to begin with.

[Arete]

@anon6348071

I’ll admit I’m not a fan of his reaction and selfvote + AtE

tbf that’s NAI for PKR

at least he didn’t put himself at L-1 in LyLo this time

[Chloe]

I’m going to be kinda busy today, apologies if my activity drops.

catch up

@an_gorta_pratai

Why? I know I have slanking hard, but I have been busy and putting off ISOing multiple people

Because you have been slanking lmao. I would love to see these ISOs

@PokemonKidRyan

Also scum healing someone that scum (likely) bled?

Yeah, no.

The only way I am scum is if I was converted last night when I healed Ans and I do welcome being checked for being cult or non cult ^^

NK is possible - and since Ans is alive and Magnus died, its pretty safe to say you healed Ans - when in reality, someone else could have, or nobody did, and Magnus was killed otherwise.

@anon6348071

Look more or less good? I think if Centuries was scum he’d feel more pressured to produce some sort of scumreads instead of just saying “Yeah I don’t have any, and I’m not going to post manufactured reads”, not to mention that (this is pretty much outed information at this point and I’m certain that everyone has seen it) we know that Centuries is invest – which in a Cult game can only be starting Seeker.

Agreed
Also
I know i said fuck mech but, @EliThePsycho since your target is already known information - what was your result last night?

@anon6348071

I don’t like being hung up on mech but I think there’s literally no more room for him to be scum – either Seeker or last night’s convert, imo.

I think Centuries socially isn’t scum - however, mechwise, there are too many factors at play. He could easily be a completely different classtype that bluffed after seeing Wazza’s softs. Don’t clear off of mech ree ):<

@anon6348071

-Jane’s posts all still look good to me – the fact that they seem to constantly push their own viewpoint and thoughts. I would expect them to be pockety and try to stay under the radar, which isn’t what is happening here at all. Granted, this is mostly my observations from turbos;

@anon6348071

-EightySecond – already extensively talked about her slot, but from the recent posts I actually think that the RT on Wazza was good. “Good” in a sense that she gave her reasoning and backed it all up – I don’t see what scum stood to gain from it. She pointed out that she noticed him softing, then thought that he was retracting said soft – it doesn’t make much sense to bring that to attention if you are scum? Also I still haven’t seen a single good case on her slot even though numerous people seem to SL her, and at this point it seems like we are never going to get one;

These are two slots I can see as potential misclears. Don’t ask for anything solid because I don’t have anything solid lmao - its pure gut and paranoia. I will try to re-read these slots before EoD, but I don’t want either of them executed today anyways.

@an_gorta_pratai

Ans is likely town here. It doesn’t look like Ans is trying to leave breadcrumbs for some dumb unsuspecting townie to pickup and use to push a mislynch and such. I will admit that I am paranoid of the slot, but I like that they are trying to force reads out of me. That shows that they are kind of trying to solve. my paranoia is the only thing keeping me from making this a TR

@an_gorta_pratai

I am also paranoid about this slot, as the last two times I TR here she was scum. I think she is likely town here, as she is helpful and trying to solve, but at the same time I am kind of paranoid here. Her thing with Arete seemed genuine, as Arete was scummy as hell and obviosly not town. Her posts are decent, but I know those are fakeable. I suppose this is a very light TL

These takes actually feel genuine. Hes not sheeping consensus, and instead forming his own opinions. They are kinda hedgy though. I would love quotes backing up his reads. I want more from him, before I put him any higher.

@CRichard564

Yet no one else has claimed to have healed Ans.
I’m inclined to think PKR isn’t NK unless someone else speaks up and claims to have healed Ans.

This is not how it works. Nobody should out if they healed Ans. Don’t clear on mech info or lack-thereof.

@UnknownTraveler

No reason really… or hmmm more of a reason that I can’t explain yet. When the time comes, it will all make a lot more sense

Why do i feel like you are never going to follow through with this lmfao

@anon6348071

To be honest I’m all in for PK/Executioner/other vigs getting rid of Blizer at night because I feel like his execution would be mostly a waste since he doesn’t exist. Though, counterpoint: the PoE we have now is questionable at best.

We should probably give executioner a solid target, and PK a pool to wifom in just incase of a scum healer (which is unlikely but eh). But the fact that they know to expect a vig now is a little doo-doo

@TheBlueElixir

I saw chloe’s question

i am intentionally ignoring it

and yes, I have reasons

Curious
Alright.
they better be good

@EightySecond

a Cult/Unseen!Blizer getting executed gives us not very much as at this point, there’s a decent chance his teammates would be trying to bus him

I was actually just about to drop the vig-plan on Blizer for a bit to see who ends up pushing him, since bussing could absolutely be the case
But
Its too late now, meh.
Everyone has mostly moved on.

@PokemonKidRyan

Chloe had listed her PoE which was a small one and included me for the set of possibilities:

You hadn’t been pushed in the slightest - it was just my suggested PoE at the time. It wasn’t even consensus. I don’t think that amount of pressure should lead to you claiming.

@TheBlueElixir

ans was visited by the cult last night

yes, this is me claiming clockmaker.

Ohhh? This is spicy. I have thoughts but its probably best not to say them.

@TheBlueElixir

but I recind

‘why so early and why at all’

PKR has claimed mage and knows the n1 convert was missed

but didnt make ans immune to convert?

Aight yeah I thought this was an RT - I don’t see Cult converting a bled person.
Also, it… was an RT on PKR? Not on Ans?
I don’t understand why you rescinded so quickly, when you could have… ya know… gotten more of a response from Ans to determine if he maybe was converted last night - despite being bled. Did you get anything you view as AI from Ans or anyone on the sidelines?

@TheBlueElixir

PKR didnt use his make-convert-immune abil on an outted convert night(even if on a bleed player)

I don’t see PKR saying he didnt use his convert-immune-abil? He just didn’t use it on Ans - which is fine??? Ans was bled, why use the convert-immune abil on him.
This rescind was faster than your last RT. Jeez.

@PokemonKidRyan

As I was always going to heal Magnus or Ans and Magnus already claimed so jic we had the dark stalker thingy I didn’t want to risk trying to heal and failing so I went for the safer option.

I do, however, think this is a dumb reason to heal Ans. Frostweaver could have (and probably should have imo?) used Absolute Zero on Ans last night - so you couldve died as well.

Also
Even with these cases on PKR, he should not be the execution today imo. Hes a possible NK candidate, but we should focus on getting groupscum out, as it gives us associations and interactions to work with, as well as VCA - all of which we can analyze overnight.
I’d rather leave PKR for Executioner.

Ayaya

Also
@ChopChop put me in allies.

[Jane]

@anon6348071

and why did you decide to color this abomination to begin with.

I’m lazy. That way I have to explain less.

[Arete]

everyone is missing a way for Centuries to be non-Seeker scum

I don’t think he is but people are missing it

first to point out the specific thing I’m thinking of gets a cat picture

[Jane]

@Chloe

Also
Even with these cases on PKR, he should not be the execution today imo. Hes a possible NK candidate, but we should focus on getting groupscum out, as it gives us associations and interactions to work with, as well as VCA - all of which we can analyze overnight.
I’d rather leave PKR for Executioner.

Sure, I’m fine with Executioner killing it instead. It’ll take longer though, unless they use their day ability.

/Vote TheBlueElixir.

[Chloe]

I mean

There are like
A million ways lmfao

Bluff on action and results bc he saw wazza’s softs
Or
Cult alts
Or
Like
Hes CL and converted emilia over highway
Lul

[Arete]

@Chloe

Hes CL and converted emilia over highway

you get a cat picture

give me a moment

[Chloe]

Can it be fluffy please

[Arete]

[Chloe]

My day has been made

Thank you

[EliThePsycho]

Also I thought i did this earlier, but…

/vote TheBlueElixer too.

[Chloe]

You swapped onto centuries iirc

[EliThePsycho]

Oh, that’s true.

I don’t see my vote on the votecount, so /shrug

[Amelia]

Vote Count

Votee	Voted By	Votes
TheBlueElixir	Chloe, Emilia, Jane, PsychoKang	4/9
EightySecond	Wazza	1/9
an_gorta_pratai	ModeShifter	1/9
Blizer	CRichard564	1/9
PokemonKidRyan	PokemonKidRyan	1/9

Still need 2 replacements. Anyone?

[anon6348071]

@Chloe

I think Centuries socially isn’t scum - however, mechwise, there are too many factors at play. He could easily be a completely different classtype that bluffed after seeing Wazza’s softs. Don’t clear off of mech ree ):<

That’s literally why I said “I don’t like being hung up on mech”.
Though I suppose there is a world where he’s a master reader and guessed that Wazza was a Tailor (Which probably wasn’t too hard since iirc Wazza said something like “I targeted two people” and there aren’t many classes that can do that) – but I’m not really feeling it. Not to mention that PK did check him so he should tell us if it contradicts that.

@Chloe

These are two slots I can see as potential misclears. Don’t ask for anything solid because I don’t have anything solid lmao - its pure gut and paranoia.

I was going to ask you to build a case and yeah.
If you want we can discuss both slots together unless you aren’t going to have time.

@Chloe

I don’t understand why you rescinded so quickly, when you could have… ya know… gotten more of a response from Ans to determine if he maybe was converted last night - despite being bled.

He dropped it because he didn’t want more people to out:

@TheBlueElixir

I didnt need anybody claiming to make you convert immune; besides those who have already claimed

@Chloe

Even with these cases on PKR, he should not be the execution today imo

The question is – who else. I already said that our PoE isn’t really great, if we are leaving Blizer/PKR to vigs then what are we doing today.