Sheriff, Paladin, King Reworks

[Livicus]

Okay, the problems we did need were fixed, but it’s my opinion that the game could be even better if polished and honed. I don’t like the awkward way that we have two different investigatives that are just soft counters for different factions. And the King, in his current state, wields too much direct power that letting him loose, even at a 20% chance, is a liability.

Both the Sheriff and the Paladin should be able to appear in all games.

At least one Sheriff or Paladin will appear in every single game. (Similar to how at least one Physician or Alchemist will appear in every single game.)

So, these are my rework ideas. (I do not expect everyone to agree with this, I’m just experimenting and see what ideas people may have on this topic.)

The King

Passives

Divine Right:
You are immune to occupation, target change, and have two votes for all accusals of treason.

Royal Grief:
If executed during the day as a Good King, the following day, Royal Blood will not work for all players.

Abilities

Decide Fate: (D) (1)
Decide the outcome for the accused player.

Private Matter: (D) (3) *
All whispers to and from you will be hidden today.

Guards: (N) (4)
Send a guard to make a player night immune tonight.

Royal Scribe: (N) (3) *
Choose a player. That night, you will see all actions that happen to them. Tomorrow, you will see all whispers to and from that player.

*- Only applies to Starting King

The Sheriff

Blue Dragon Investigative

Converts to The Marshal

Passives

Constable:
You are immune to conversion to the Unseen starting from Day 7.

Abilities

Scout: (D) (oo)
Choose a player. You will be notified if they were converted.

Case Trial: (D) (2)
For that day, you will see all votes for pardoning or killing an accused person cast in real-time.

Expert Investigation: (N) (oo)
Determine if a player is evil or not suspicious.

The Paladin

Unique Blue Dragon Investigative

Converts to The Templar

Passives

Righteous Zeal:
You are immune to conversion to the Cult starting from Day 8.

Abilities

Consecration: (D) (3)
Choose a player. They cannot be targeted by Day Abilities today. If affected by Distract, Silence, or Icy Touch, cancel it.

Holy Fervor: (D) (2)
When you use Test Faith tonight, you will attack if they are evil. Does not bypass night immunity.

Test Faith: (N) (oo)
Determine if a player is Evil or Not Suspicious.

Smite: (N) (2)
If anyone attempts to convert you or your target tonight, you will attack them, not bypassing night immunity. If they survive, they will not be able to use their Day Abilities tomorrow.

The Templar

Unique Unseen Support

Passives

Abilities

Consecration: (D) (2)
Choose a player. They cannot be targeted by Day Abilities today. If affected by Distract, Icy Touch, Silence, etc, cancel it.

Silence: (D) (3)
Choose a player. They cannot talk for the next 20 seconds. Cannot be used during a trial. (Distract should be buffed so it works for 20 seconds)

Dark Fervor: (N) (3)
Choose a member of the Unseen. Any limited abilities they use tonight will not lose a charge.

PLEASE LEAVE FEEDBACK

[techwolves]

/no support

[Livicus]

Your reasoning? I just want feedback, and this is also theory crafting

[Marluxion]

@Livicus

Royal Grief:

If executed during the day as a Good King, the following day, Royal Blood will not work for all players.

I really like this passive.

@Livicus

Royal Scribe: (N) (3) *

Choose a player. That night, you will see all actions that happen to them. Tomorrow, you will see all whispers to and from that player.

I don’t like this ability. I feel as if the king shouldn’t have any investigation abilities.

@Livicus

Private Chambers: (D) (3) *

Summon a player into your room and prevent all visitors to them tonight. You and your target may talk freely, and only use night abilities on each other that night.

An interesting twist on the prince’s jail ability, but I feel as if there will be too many prevented results on abilities. I don’t like this as well. I would just keep royal finger instead of this. Royal finger is ABSOUTELY necessary for endgame.

[Livicus]

Royal Finger is built into the King’s passives, as it’s quite the necessity.

And okay, maybe Private Chambers shouldn’t protect people.

[Marluxion]

The changes to the sheriff; I’m not a fan of because it’s power creeping the blue dragon EVEN FURTHER. Marshal will likely never to be played still, and a non-unique bd class that is immune to conversion like that is ABSOLUTELY degenrately strong.

[Marluxion]

Also a day check should not ever be a thing because if you’re able to check during the day you can immediately stop anyone’s attempts at trying to defend someone.

[Livicus]

He’s only immune for the first two nights only to the Unseen though, the Devs currently made Sheriff unique and unconvertible to slightly nerf Unseen, but I think they did it too much.

[Marluxion]

@Livicus

Devout:

Your voice cannot be tampered. Distract, Troll Box, Icy Touch, etc. will not work on you.

“But why?”

@Livicus

Sanctification: (D) (2)

When you use Smite tonight, you will attack the converter. Does not bypass night immunity.

IMO The FoL day ability for paladin is so much better than this. I suggest you take a look at the FoL Class cards, they’re really interesting.

@Livicus

Smite: (N) (oo)

Protect a target from conversion. If anyone tries to convert either you or your target, they will be silenced and unable to use their night abilities tomorrow.

Once again, too much conversion protection is NOT a good thing. Court Wizard already has this gimmick!

Paladin needs to be able to check people at night, or there needs to be a new investigative class for cult games.

[Livicus]

I was actually thinking about FoL’s Pally, which I like, but I wasn’t too keen on how another BD Killer being added would impact the game.

[Marluxion]

Yes, completely unconvertable but ALSO unique. The unique is important. Adding an extra unconvertable bd (for the first 3 nights, aka the most important nights to get converts) is going to drop the unseen’s win % a ton.

[Livicus]

Also, he’s only immune for the first two nights, but maybe that’s too much?

[Marluxion]

It’d need to be made Unique, just like FoL. I feel both Sheriff and Pally should be unique and a 100% spawn chance in their respecive games.

[Marluxion]

Yeah. Random BD being unconvertable isn’t a good thing. BD is already currently a little too strong.

[Livicus]

But Taking Blessing of Light from FoL Pally is also adding another convert immune BD imo

[Marluxion]

I meant THIS Day ability
Cleanse (Day) Your Test of Faith Power also kills your target if they a cult member tonight. If they are if they are not this starts a 2 night cooldown - Infinite use

[Marluxion]

not the conversion prevention one

[Livicus]

Okay, I see what you’re going for. Kinda was hoping to have them both appear in all games though, I feel that would at least give a buff to Unseen/Cult bc being Sheriff or Paladin doesn’t confirm the existence of what faction you’re facing.

[Marluxion]

Eh… You’d feel really bad about rolling a pally in an unseen game or a sheriff in a cult game though. I don’t think that’s good game design.

Whearas if they are BOTH Unique and 100% spawn rates only in their respective games, it makes you feel important and powerful.

[Livicus]

But if they’re unique and 100% there, it makes evil claimspace for the theoretically most claimable roles just gone.