Shortnight 2: Return of the POGGERS - Day 5 [6/15] - Mafoa win, Everybody (including chloe) loses

[katze]

Ban Count

Getting Banned	Banners	Votes to be Banned
Light	Firekitten, Chloe	2/5
Chloe	Leafia, Light	2/5
Not Voting	Centuries, an_gorta_pratai, WindwardAway, Grace, Blizer	5

[Chloe]

im voting and not voting

[Aelin]

@Chloe

@Aelin

I’m going to be slightly rude here. If you’re a villager, you’re being a tunneled, actively toxic player who hasn’t learned from her past mistakes. Read my wallpost on Osie. You can literally see exactly where I realize “oh. This… isn’t that scummy.” Which was also what I was going to do to get players off sulit because I literally stated I wasn’t confident in that, and then I went to sleep afterward, and you guys hammered three hours before EoD.

I’m not tunneled
I see worlds where you’re a villager
You making fun of my play isn’t going to help me find you as town, if you are
In fact it just biases me more into wanting you to be scum

And that’s why you brought me to L-2. Of course, my bad.

@Chloe

You making fun of my play isn’t going to help me find you as town, if you are

I’m not making fun of it. I’m saying that you’re playing poorly if town, and you’ve played consistently poorly if town all game and haven’t made any adjustments to your playstyle.

@Chloe

In fact it just biases me more into wanting you to be scum

Congrats?

@Chloe

I’m saying that if you’re going to scumread me for giving in to consensus on sulit, you should scumread yourself for seemingly giving in to consensus on osie

Ah, yes, me trying to scumcase Osie and realizing he isn’t scummy is giving into consensus. My. Fucking. Mistake.

@Chloe

So there’s your answer
Find a 3rd wolf and see if it makes a viable team

You/Wind/Blizer does work from my eyes. You/Wind/FK doesn’t really. I don’t think you and FK are W/W.

@Chloe

I’ll answer your question later in the day, because, like i said, we’re 6 hours into the day and there’s plenty of time

No. Please, I insist. Answer it now. Thought experiment: We’re both town. You survive the night. Tomorrow, you go into LyLo with one of Grace, Gorta, or Leafia dead.

[katze]

I somehow replaced Centuries with Chloe in my past few votecounts, this has been fixed.

“somehow” = Notepad++ autocorrecting, probably

[Aelin]

Centuries is a Chloe alt confirmed?

[Chloe]

@Aelin

And that’s why you brought me to L-2. Of course, my bad.

L-2 doesn’t mean I’m tunneled?
L-2 means I scumread you and I’m trying to determine if I’m correct to do so

@Aelin

I’m not making fun of it. I’m saying that you’re playing poorly if town, and you’ve played consistently poorly if town all game and haven’t made any adjustments to your playstyle.

I realize I’ve been playing poorly but I’m still doing my damn best to solve this game, and I have adjusted my playstyle
I’m working with people
I’m breaking tunnels and finding villagers out of people I once heavily heavily scumread
I’m re-evaluating
You are indeed insulting me and it is impacting my ability to find you as town

There are many things I want to say to this, but I won’t
Instead I’ll just say: maybe take a look at yourself, if you’re a villager

@Aelin

Ah, yes, me trying to scumcase Osie and realizing he isn’t scummy is giving into consensus. My. Fucking. Mistake.

It isn’t directly read as giving in to consensus, but the timing and placements do feel that way

@Aelin

You/Wind/Blizer does work from my eyes. You/Wind/FK doesn’t really. I don’t think you and FK are W/W.

Well I ain’t a wolf
Also Blizer is a villagery MFer lol

@Aelin

No. Please, I insist. Answer it now. Thought experiment: We’re both town. You survive the night. Tomorrow, you go into LyLo with one of Grace, Gorta, or Leafia dead.

I don’t have an answer right now
Because I’d like to spend this day finding that answer - as I’ll solve around the world where the main wagon is both town and scum
And I’d like to spend tomorrow finding that answer too

I’m not going to snap in lylo, I’m going to re-evaluate based on flips/interactions/etc

So right now? I have no answer

[Aelin]

@Chloe

Light you’re not gunna win this, bud

You’re better off pushing some LHF

Not tunneled or conf-biased. Right, my bad.

@Chloe

@Aelin

Ah, yes, me trying to scumcase Osie and realizing he isn’t scummy is giving into consensus. My. Fucking. Mistake.

It isn’t directly read as giving in to consensus, but the timing and placements do feel that way

Alrighty then.

@Chloe

I don’t have an answer right now
Because I’d like to spend this day finding that answer - as I’ll solve around the world where the main wagon is both town and scum
And I’d like to spend tomorrow finding that answer too

Alright.

@Chloe

I’m not going to snap in lylo, I’m going to re-evaluate based on flips/interactions/etc

Leafia probably will though, if she isn’t dead. Good luck with that.

[Chloe]

[WindwardAway]

I slept through SoD again, RIP

I made a short post overnight but basically gave up lol
The only new thing i wrote is that Chloe probably actually is scum and those of you who said we should yeet her are probably right

I’ll wait to vote until EoD, this game has been totally draining for me lol

[Chloe]

This post is going to be super long, sorry

Thank you for answering osie though

@Grace

1. Do you wash your face every day?

Answer:Ya the only days I don’t are the days when I’m super tired

Mood

@Grace

2 . What do you think makes an ideal town player? An ideal mafia player?

Answer:I’m still unsure about this but right now I think an ideal town player tries their best to help and contribute while an ideal mafia player tries to confuse the town or make false accusations

Good answer
Is there anyone you can point to as an ideal town player or an ideal mafia player using these reasonings?

@Grace

3. What’s your favourite drink? (From a can/bottle.) Why?

Answer:My favorite drink is water because I hate all other drinks except for tea and water is just more refreshing than tea

@Marshal
can we keep her

@Grace

4. Do you think that sulit might be annoyed/unmotivated because she’s mafia instead of town?

Answer:I think sulit is unmotivated because she’s stressed out from school and she’s annoyed because everyone keeps blaming her and she doesn’t know what to do to gain back their trust

@Grace

If you were to associate yourself with three fictional characters, one to represent how you ideally want to be seen by people, one to represent how you worry about being seen by people, and one to represent how you think people might see you in a more null context, who would you choose and why?

@Grace

Answer:A fictional character I want people to see me as is Emma from tpn because I want people to see me as caring and nice but also bold and not afraid to stand up for people who are close to me.

you’re adorable
and now i have a new show to watch thank you

@Grace

I worry that people see me as Logan from jigsaw because I don’t want people to think I’m stupid and just an extra I also don’t want people to think I’m selfish.

how have you seen the Saw movies and i havent wtf

i dont think you’re stupid, or an extra, or selfish
every time you provide your thoughts for the thread, no matter how unrefined they are or how unconfident you are, you’re helping us win

just by talking and being yourself, you allowed us to find you as town, which is huge
like
literally the best thing you can do as a villager
so be proud of that

just keep telling us what you think about things, whenever you get a thought that pops up
you were right about sulit
so who knows, maybe you’ll be right about other people too?

@Grace

I think people see me as a doormat (Ik that’s not a fictional character but I couldn’t think of one) I think people see me as a doormat because of the way most people irl ignore me most of the time and occasionally stomp on me

gimme names
i’ll throw hands

@Grace

6. Which do you think is more important to a game of Mafia: A positive attitude, or a careful thought-process? Why?

Answer:I think a careful thought process is more important to a game of mafia because I have seen people do research on others so they can scale down to the people they think are mafia and I feel like that takes a careful thought process

This is a reasonable take
Do you think you’ve had a careful thought process in this game?

@Grace

7. Who here other than yourself has the most appealing avatar, and why?

Answer:I think Light has the most appealing avatar because I like the colors and vibe it gives off

i agree
he has a cool pfp

@Grace

8. Obviously having some people helping you out to get you used to the game has been helpful. Do you think any of those players have done so with malicious intent? If so, who and why?

Answer:I don’t think the people who have helped me would do so with a bad intention although, after reading the thread I have learned about people getting pocketed and while I don’t know exactly what it means I’m pretty sure many people could easily pocket me (I think it means someone manipulates another or something like that)

This is a very very good answer
Pocketing is like… buddying up to someone
Making them like you so they’re more likely to find you as a good guy
Whether it’s by being nice to someone, agreeing with all their points, defending them when others are attacking them, or another method
It’s a good thing to watch out for, and usually comes from mafia, but sometimes can come from town

@Grace

9. What does this image represent to you?

Answer:The image looks like a spider and a bee at the same time to me

For some reason the pic reminds me of Bionicles
Like
A mask
Idk why

@Grace

10. Mafia is all about an uninformed majority and informed minority. It can be hard for scum to hide their knowledge. What do you feel is the best way within the rules of the game for mafia to do that, and why?

Answer:I think the best way for a scum to hide their knowledge is to simply not say what they know (idk if that makes sense I’m sorry if it doesn’t)

Okay

@Grace

A. Out of questions 1-10, which questions do you think help me to discern your alignment? Why?

Answer:2, 5, 6, and 10 because I think like they help you understand my thought process

Good answer
Question 8 was also designed for that, i assume
(Idk, im not osie, so im just pretending i know what he was thinking when he asked these)

@Grace

B. I like to put myself as confirmed town and everyone else at null, then push people in my reads one way or another based on what I think of their posts as the thread goes on. Is that a good scumhunting method? Why or why not?

Answer:I think it is because that would help narrow down people who seem bad and help you decide who to not trust

Sounds good
Is there anyone right now that you would say you’re ‘null’ on?
Like
You genuinely don’t have any clue what they are (town or scum)

@Grace

C. Is that a good townclearing method? Why or why not?

Answer:Ya because I think you can tell who’s town based on what they contribute to the thread

@Grace

D. Throughout this thread, a lot of questions have been thrown around. Do you think questioning people is the best method of forming reads, or is something else, like mechanics discussion, tangentially-related discussion, or another method better?

Answer:I think a combination of those things work the best but I also think it would depend on the person

Sounds good

@Grace

E. Take the player who is your strongest scumread at the moment. What do you think their answers to these questions would be?

Answer:Rn I’m in between two people but if they were to answer these questions I think they would have smarter answers because they have way more experience than I do

Who do you scumread right now?
If you don’t want to share, and you want to sit on it a bit longer to see if you could be right, that’s totally fine, and also a good strategy
Don’t want to show your cards too early

@Grace

I. Out of questions A-E, which questions do you think most help me to discern your alignment? Why?

Answer:I am kinda unsure of what that means but if it means understand what my intentions are I would say B and C because again they help you understand my thought process

Alignment means town (good alignment) or scum (bad alignment)
He was asking which questions will help him figure out if you’re town or if you’re scum

I’d say all of A-E help determine your alignment
B and D are definitely up there in terms of being helpful

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You don’t have to reply to all of this if you don’t want to
Just the questions I asked within the post
Sorry its so long

[Chloe]

@WindwardAway

The only new thing i wrote is that Chloe probably actually is scum and those of you who said we should yeet her are probably right

gimme gimme

[Chloe]

I find it interesting that there was a pretty big pivot to me today from quite a few players

Especially right after I start to mention that I think FK could be town

If he really is, this is a good way to force chain elims

Wowee

[WindwardAway]

I gave up completely after Sulit flipped town tbh

[WindwardAway]

Fwiw this is what I wrote (very unimpressive, I know):

Overnight post N3:

I give up entirely on my readlist tbh

Chloe is probably a wolf at this point and I guess we should just yeet her.
Centuries may or may not be a wolf, idk. I’m ok with yeeting him still, but I guess Chloe should be yeeted first?
FK could be a wolf but I’m not sure if he’d be a wolf with Chloe.
Gorta is still ??? for me. I didn’t ISO him because I spent all my free time moving stuff into my apartment.
I’d be mildly surprised if Light or Osie flipped scum, but at this point literally everyone will surprise me if they flip scum, since every single one of my reads in this game has been wrong. On the other hand if they’re both scum as I tossed that thought around before, then I think it would explain what’s going on, but I don’t want to just SR both of them wrongly as a team for the heck of it.

If we didn’t have so many townies already dead, I’d let you just yeet me because Sulit flipped town, but that puts us in an even worse position. If I’m a designated ML then I guess wolves aren’t pushing me because all my reads are bad, so they’ll just wait until enough of them are proven wrong and then yeet me for a win. Basically all I’ve done in this game is play into the wolves’ hands, so lol. Usually by this point, I feel like I at least get some reads correct, but I’m at a 0% right now and I honestly don’t have enough free time to put more effort into this game. Vote me best scum player lol jk you can’t

Random thought: if our consensus towncore isn’t getting killed, doesn’t it mean there’s a wolf in it? Otherwise towncore is just completely wrong on their reads.

That’s all I have to say for now. I’m not gonna vote till EoD because my vote definitely hasn’t benefited town.

[Firekitten]

Where the hell was all the support the last couple of days I tried to yeet Chloe

[Chloe]

Wowee

[Firekitten]

all you rats coming out of the sewer smh

[WindwardAway]

Me being dumb, that’s what

[WindwardAway]

This is why I’m not dead tbh

[Chloe]

I think there are about 500 reasons you arent dead

But that aint one of em