Shortnight 2: Return of the POGGERS - Day 5 [6/15] - Mafoa win, Everybody (including chloe) loses

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#6842

NKA without my flip is kinda dumb unless you’re willing to see all perspectives

because
people will use it to fit their worldview
‘chloe is a wolf so chloe killed marl!’
‘chloe is a villager so someone killed marl to frame her!’
or the other way around
‘chloe is a wolf because marl died!’
‘chloe isnt a wolf because why would she kill marl, thats too obvious!’

just try to keep in mind that there might be more than one solution

ive tried giving my perspective on it but i still find it hard to wrap my head around, weh

#6843

its 2am and i still dont feel confident in what i got out of the reactions/interactions after arete’s case

this is a mess
im a mess

going to get on mobile and just
think a lot

#6844

Ok, I’m going to say this once
and probably never again in FM

sometimes I just hide any uncertainties I have in my reads as a defense against wolves who can pick apart my reads and convince me to change my mind.
it doesn’t mean I’m not reconsidering things, but it does mean I want to look like I’m not reconsidering things, because usually I like to test whether the person making me reconsider my stances is a wolf or a villager.

(this is literally never going to work again for me so RIP)

#6845

but this way I can focus on the counterarguments aimed at me and aimed at the general thread to figure out which ones are pushing agenda and which ones legitimately believe in their reads.

#6846

you literally won’t catch me wavering in the thread just from one post by one player; I generally need more than that if I’m supposed to think it’s a natural read that’s contradicting mine.

#6847

Can i ask why you felt it necessary to say this?

What prompted it

#6848

anyway, really honestly, Arete’s conclusion that I either have to be a wolf or a really bad villager because my reads don’t match theirs is pretty bad

#6849

because Arete has literally been pushing me for saying I don’t want to change my reads and then calling me a wolf for it or otherwise a bad villager

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#6850

when they have done absolutely nothing to make me want to change my reads on them

#6851

Okay i gotcha

#6852

idk does anyone see my point
I know FK or Centuries did point out that Arete just plopped all of us into their PoE for disagreeing which was weh

#6853

that’s

that’s not my argument

what

#6854

uh yes
this has literally been you twisting my words the entirety of D2

#6855

I’d usually call random selfmeta gross but for some reason that read as you like
Pulling out your secret weapon

Like
haHA
LITTLE DID YOU KNOW
I HAD A GUN THIS WHOLE TIME

and i kinda find it villagery?

Mrr

#6856

give another wallpost, make town think again, case me/FK/Centuries and honestly? try harder to make me change my mind on this.

#6857

plenty of people in this game have reads that don’t match mine and most of them are people I townread

the problem isn’t that your reads disagree with them it’s that your thought process starts with a read and then makes up reasons to justify it

#6858

it’s the other way around
I have reasons and then I give reads
I never plopped a readlist in here without context as I recall, but I’m becoming less of a fan of readlists and wallposting and more of a fan of reading people’s underlying motives
and I see a lot of underlying motive from you in particular

#6859

like

you are a reasonably intelligent person as far as I can tell

which makes it hard to believe that you genuinely believe that my issue with your slot is that you disagree with me

#6860

okay but

nearly every read this game shows signs of you having only considered one side of it/having started with the conclusion in mind

#6861

same goes for you
I actually think you’re one of the top players on the forums and I admitted to struggling to read your slot
but I see you sidelining all of my arguments by simply saying that I’m misreading everything you’re saying
which is frankly getting kind of old