Shortnight 2: Return of the POGGERS - Day 5 [6/15] - Mafoa win, Everybody (including chloe) loses

[Marshal]

can we d1 policy leafia and just hold over arete / chloe for d2

[katze]

Ban Count

Getting Banned	Banners	Votes to be Banned
Marluxion	Nightingale, Light, Leafia	3/8
Light	Mistyx	1/8
Chloe	Arete	1/8
Arete	Chloe	1/8
Not Voting	sulit, Firekitten, an_gorta_pratai, Wazza, Grace, Marshal, EVO, Marluxion, Centuries	9

[Mistyx]

leafia v that was easy

[Aelin]

Sorry
should note that below the line is >rand W

[Marluxion]

no

[Arete]

@Chloe

Arete is far too solvy and tryhardy for ~40 posts in. It very much looks forced and like they’re producing content to get townread, rather than because they actually believe said reads

@Chloe

Arete is saying things that people want to hear
Ticking the boxes to get townread d1 on FoL - which is mostly just one box; that being that they are contributing worthwhile content early into the game. People look at a slot like this and go ‘ok this can be town for now cool’
But said content is not genuine

this take lacks the depth of V!Chloe takes

you’re basically going ‘Arete is trying to look like they’re solving, therefore they’re a wolf’ without … considering the possibility that in fact I am just trying to solve

you say that I don’t believe my reads but literally don’t have any examples even just of a read that made you think that

you had the conclusion in mind before you filled in the reasoning

@Chloe

@Arete

Chloe’s posts all feel kind of awkward

it’s not, like, super awkward, but the tone is just slightly off

like she’s singing a slightly different arrangement of a song that you’ve heard a hundred times, and it’s not wrong , exactly, but it sounds wrong

50 posts into d1 and they have a read strong enough to put into an analogy
this once again reads as appealing to the masses
also by saying im not allowed to read it it ‘removes’ my ability to refute said argument

the analogy was explicitly intended to show that the read wasn’t strong at that point

like even if I am trying to be charitable to the prospect of town!Chloe the best thing I can come up with is ‘maybe Chloe just can’t … read’

the comment about it removing your ability to refute said argument is also kind of a stretch

@Chloe

even if this WAS omgus, which, sure, maybe it’s ~5% omgus, how is this a wolfy trait?
just because i have a read on someone who is pushing me doesn’t mean it’s entirely me thinking theyre ass at the game therefore they must be a wolf

rather than trying to figure out my mindset for scumreading you, you went ‘Arete made a read on me that I don’t like so they are scum’

@Chloe

Arete would very likely townread me for this if they were a villager
They aren’t ass at FM
This is classic wolf hedge
‘Chloe did something kinda townie so i should point that out so it doesn’t look like i ignored it, but i wont let it affect my read on her!’

well actually the thought process was ‘Chloe did something kinda wolfy but I don’t know if it’s actually wolf-AI’

you calling that townie is kind of and also self-aware but that’s not the point

[Centuries]

bad marshal disagree

[Marluxion]

dude if i found the scum vs scum i’m going to be so fucking arrogant for the rest of my career

[Marshal]

oh my god nobody is reading any of those

[Mistyx]

I’m not reading any of these wallposts

[Marshal]

mindmeld lock lazy

[Aelin]

I’m skimming them
They mean nothing to me, though.

[Centuries]

ive read all of them and i dont really think much of them

[Arete]

counterpoint

we can vote out Chloe today for a free pelt

second counterpoint

Chloe just kills me tonight because it’s not like anyone follows my reads after I die

[Arete]

oh I guess you addressed that

[Wazza]

Arete vs Chloe just feels off to me but I haven’t read anything

[Marluxion]

oh no arete hasn’t gotten to me calling it w/w yet so they can’t be disappointed in me yet

[Centuries]

arete’s point is like “chloe v would be better” but like my last game with v chloe was 9+ months ago im fairly sure

[Aelin]

kinda stupid take

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i kinda like arete for the fact that they liked my post after they finished their wallpost which lets me know that theyre reading up and actually care about thread

[Wazza]

this isn’t me calling it w/w btw, this is literally me calling it weird