Some reworks for Unseen Investigative Classes

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#1

Currently, the Investigative Unseen classes in the game are the most boring set of converts. They serve no real purpose at all and don’t do very much. They also usually become assassin anyways after being converted, so even if they were the slightest bit of fun, it wouldn’t last long which is why I made a rework or a buff for these classes.

Marshal Rework/Buff
New Passive - Detective-Like
You will appear as an Investigative class for investigation result. (Passive
kept on during class change)

New Passive - Royal Work Ethic
You and Unseen will know who is imprisoned every night

New Day Ability - Stalker|AKA Ripoff Scout
Select target A and target B (targets cannot be Unseen). If target A visits
target B, occupy target A and everyone else visiting target B except for
Unseen members. Stays on target until deselected or activated. You may not
select the same Target A twice if they have activated Stalker yet. (infinite uses)

New Day Ability - Personal Disguise
Choose a member of the Unseen (including yourself) to disguise as sheriff
or MM. If they are executed, they will appear as that class. (infinite uses)

Probe Buff
Determine and frame a player’s class, if they are part of the Blue Dragon.

Snoop Buff
2 charges ------> 3 charges

Duchess Rework/Buff
New Passive - Detective-Like
You will appear as an Investigative class for investigation result. (Passive
kept on during class change)

New Passive - Guidance
If OG Assassin dies before they become MM, you will gain Apprenticeship

New Day Ability - Royal Disguise
Choose a member of the Unseen (including yourself) to disguise as princess
or MM. If they are executed, they will appear as that class. (infinite uses)

New Day Ability - Royal Decree
Choose a person. All of the day abilities the Assassin uses on that person
will not be notified to them. (2 uses)

Bat Eyelashes Buff
Entrance target player with your eyes into revealing their class type and
framing them.

Handmaiden Rework/Buff
New Passive - Detective-Like
You will appear as an Investigative class for investigation result. (Passive
kept on during class change)

New Day Ability - Loyal Disguise
Choose a member of the Unseen (including yourself) to disguise as Maid
or MM. If they are executed, they will appear as that class. (infinite uses)

New Day Ability - Dissappearing Ink
Replace a person’s ink with some dissapearing ink, making every change
they make to their logbooks not be displayed today and tonight to everyone
if they are executed. They will still see the changes but everyone else
won’t. (3 uses)

Analyze Rework
Test and frame 2 players, if they win together, discover their classes. If
they don’t, silence them tomorrow for the entire day, they will stay be able
to use day abilities.

Replace Prying Servant with Feather Duster
Hide a player’s logbook tonight if they are slain tonight. (2 uses)

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#2

im going to say the same thing - I like the buffs to the others, but I don’t like how strong the new marshal is. 3 probes, disguised, effectively can wall of fire with Stalker(unlimited use day abil). Also a hidden bleed would be nice, but does that mean they wouldn’t know if if they got silenced?

#3

Seems like you just don’t like them because they are boring for you.

#4

Not only that but Sheriff, Princess, and Maid are all Investigatives classes and their converts are as well

#5

They are mechanically weak indeed.
Marshal has no active ability
Duchess can hide Unseen at least
Handmaiden is utterly bad
Nightwatch is purely passive as well

#6

changing their types isn’t the solution-except see what I’m about to post

#7

Detective like passive is just a counter to princess only while disguise is a unlimited day ability so you can just use it at the moment the unseen is getting voted instead of predicting it so it’s too powerful

Marshal is too powerful due to having potential unlimited firewall of sage however having frame on probe is nice since aristocrat have that ability on intrigue

For Princess, dark wisp was useful for unseen with escaping from assassin getting found so I don’t think it need change.

For maid, the change for analyze is better since finding two of the same class types is much harder to the point of impossible than finding two of the same win condition. Having both disappearing ink and feather duster on the same person seems to against each other as you can stop from writing their logs or just remove it if you kill them so keeping prying servant instead of replacing it is fine since it was a useful ability to finding NK quickly.

Overall at least the classes have a reason to live longer but they are just too over buffed.

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#8

Changing the class type of certain Investigatives converts could make the game more fun. For example, right now Duchess is a weaker Marshal and could be fixed by making their class type change. But I think you looked at what would make the classes more useful, instead of looking at how these solutions would affect the game.

Princess Claims, Sheriffs, and Maid are all going to become untrusted. That is way too much flip changing to where it makes it so certain flips pretty much become “meh, could be unseen anyway ignore the fact they flip”

Like changing Duchess to more of a support type for the unseen could work, right now they are in a weird spot where they are investigative but their flirt is just a weaker marshal.

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#9
jotted down my thoughts on each individual change

i don’t see the point in it, it just nerfs princess

and princess isnt strong

3 uses of expose is enough, isn’t it?

giving marshal a scout-like ability makes sense

this is absurdly powerful though; why does marshal have a day version of wall of fire

interesting

part of me doesn’t dislike the concept of more flip altering

but having it be a day ability seems kinda odd? and having it on marshal gives me ehh vibes

id reword this

Determine a player’s class, if they are part of the Blue Dragon, then frame them.

i think this is a decent potential buff but i’m also not super convinced that marshal even needs a buff, they’re already very frequent converts to remove an invest - they don’t need to be overpoweringly strong as well

shrug

snoop isn’t that good imo so no opinions here

i don’t see the point in it, it just nerfs princess
and princess isnt strong

i don’t dislike this as a concept but i’d actually want to nerf duchess a bit if this passive were a thing, and probably change this to be a bit more restricted

duchess having dark wisp makes duchess a fairly decent convert and letting it grant a 2nd MM in games where it shouldn’t be possible is, well, also very strong

part of me doesn’t dislike the concept of more flip altering
but having it be a day ability seems kinda odd? and having it on marshal duchess gives me ehh vibes

i just realized that you’re suggesting about the same buffs on every invest, aren’t you?

ill start skipping dupes

more frames isn’t inherently bad but not every invest convert needs to be nearly identical, or every invest claim will get policy lynched and that’s way less fun than being a “weak” convert

interesting

i don’t think this is very likely to be easy to code? and it may be kind of obvious that this happened, if the NK is already dead or proven to not be reaper

but i don’t dislike this

okay analyze buff

the second part just confirms your existence

this also confirms the handmaidens existence

tldr: there’s a few very okay ideas here, and a lot of flawed ones imo

making every invest convert nearly identical just sounds more boring than their current “weak” state

for the record, i think duchess and marshal aren’t that bad. duchess is easy to get kinged and marshal gets very decent info while removing a sheriff

handmaiden is weak though

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#10

can this bit just be instead that they don’t have access to their logbook/private notes?

#11

i see no reason to restrict private notes

but that could work; problem being it hardconfirms the handmaidens existence even harder

#12

This is for the duchess, but having Private Notes available just means you can put logs there. Granted, if you die then, too bad, but the next day they would just write and keep logs

#13

its under HM

but either way, the point applies to any class

hardconfirming your existence as a convert is generally not good design (see meme blur)

#14

Private notes are the alternative for just having wordpad open

#15

meme blur is great

But I guess removing Private notes is useless since you could use a third party so don’t remove that I guess

#16

Knowing who the prince jailed passively is super strong.
Information is very powerful

Wordy and messy, simplify

Flip altering is just amazing period. It should be limited.