Btw could ya point out where PKR softclaimed?
I read his d1 ISO, but I eithwr missed it due to skimming or just didn’t see it
Would be great to have as a quote rn anyways
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Yeah I get that, but how did he think it was a scumslip?
I don’t get it… even it were to look at it from a town perspective…
No one is explaining why PKR would think it’s a scumslip at all from a town perspective and what the scumslip from PKR’s perspective even is.
/vote PKR
@PokemonKidRyan Ill unvote once you or someone else can explain how you thought lol scumslipped.
Here is the play in question.
I took this immediate response as a possible reaction that I was looking for. Some kind of push for the meat of the information immediately with no regards to benefits of withholding it.
I was hinting here (mainly towards Wind) that my train of thought was directly related to PKR’s lunge for info.
In hindsight this could come from a PR. But from my POV stuff like this could be scum sweating, meaning my plan had already begun to yield fruit.
Little things like this was going to be included in a last post before being lynched today, in order to give town the fuel to start scumhunting.
After getting a reaction from PKR that pinged my interest I tried to push it and force some kind of interaction with other slots to put into my final notes as possible spew.
Stuff like this, while in direct context of me having a redcheck on someone would be invaluable to mapping out connections between slots.
Further instance of me pushing that interaction as far as I dare to go to get info.
Stuff like this, and with how quickly answered, allowed me to deduce that PKR and GonZ were probably not w/w
My chart and this post were primarily to plant the seed in Intensify that my redcheck could be on them, as well as a double wifom that I may or may not have altered my chart based on my redcheck. (said that I didnt, but I assumed me saying that would cause some people to not believe it entirely).
Also, Aelin was the only person who pointed out the redacted bits in my earlier notes, which was annoying, as I was hoping adding “REDACTED” to a few could incite some paranoia in the wolves.
Phase two after I’ve realized i’ve milked PKR and the reactions from others of me milking him.
This was a late reaction to Phase One by Intensify that intrigued me on Intensify’s alignment, as they feign interest and then possibly pry for info by dancing around the subject with a seemingly adjacent-relative question.
This then backtracks and shows a bit of awareness to my plan, as well as pointing out PKR’s resistance to the redcheck being witheld.
Oddly enough this was one of Intensify’s towniest posts, as the awareness seems naturelly biased from a town perspective seeing themself scumread
Ending Intensify’s post with a push on me regardless of the previous findings, I am having trouble finding out whether this is AI or not.
Then they backtracked again catching my interest again.
Wind caught onto it as well.
Here is an instance where I hint at my findings.
This is where I notice that Intensify is chatty and made a slip in judgement that may have been from a scum PoV.
Wind also, as reliable as they are for noticing this stuff, liked this post, giving me the thought that I may be able to pass the majority of my findings to them before my lynch.
This is a NAI logical fallacy that I was pointing out for the sake of pressuring intensify after their slip about Eevee.
Here is where I end the interaction and leave my work with Wind to analyze while I went to work.
here I was just trying to keep the thread from just sitting and waiting on my check, so I threw a bone to encourage interactions
Notice that theselection contains two of my townreads, and two coasters. Also, my townreads at this time were somewhat suspected to be scum, so the extra pressure on them made me look out for oppertunists, which you wills see soon.
This was just me giving them an out on claiming neutral, making it more likely someone gives something to save themself later
late reaction to Phase Three.
At this point I was still unaware what tf ice cream had to do with anything
this is when I realized my plan wasn’t going exactly where I wanted it to go
As expressed here.
The point was for a PR to understand that because they have a role that is worded differently from mine, THEY WOULD UNDERSTAND I WAS A FAKE lol
Me slipping my plan out of frustration.
Now that PKR knows my plan (in theory) I quickly jump to Phase Four before too many people catch on.
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Here was the thing PKR saw a scumslip.
“Knows he’s the shit” → can be interpreted as knows he’s right
i.e. town seeing a mafia thing
“Just experienced and can deal with this stuff” → can also be seen as regarding the other as town
So, two versions where your opposite is town in that situation, basically.
Not saying this is what lol meant, but I think it’s what PKR saw.
Which, in that situation, could have been stretched to a scumslip?
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might count this as a light hint
not as much as later posts
today’s very obvious role soft (for those who know what neapolitan ice cream is)
well
I guess PKR mostly just softed today and not D1
but yeah, there was discussion about it earlier (but in the context of Eli now that i’m looking at it)
i did already wtf
i guess i have to quote the post to drive in the nail
as in
either cocky villager or experienced town keeping a cool head
[quote=“EVO, post:2979, topic:87229, full:true”]
Here is the play in question.
I took this immediate response as a possible reaction that I was looking for. Some kind of push for the meat of the information immediately with no regards to benefits of withholding it.
[quote=“EVO, post:2410, topic:87229”]
I was hinting here (mainly towards Wind) that my train of thought was directly related to PKR’s lunge for info.
In hindsight this could come from a PR. But from my POV stuff like this could be scum sweating, meaning my plan had already begun to yield fruit.
Little things like this was going to be included in a last post before being lynched today, in order to give town the fuel to start scumhunting.
After getting a reaction from PKR that pinged my interest I tried to push it and force some kind of interaction with other slots to put into my final notes as possible spew.
Stuff like this, while in direct context of me having a redcheck on someone would be invaluable to mapping out connections between slots.
[quote=“EVO, post:2437, topic:87229”]
Further instance of me pushing that interaction as far as I dare to go to get info.
Stuff like this, and with how quickly answered, allowed me to deduce that PKR and GonZ were probably not w/w
My chart and this post were primarily to plant the seed in Intensify that my redcheck could be on them, as well as a double wifom that I may or may not have altered my chart based on my redcheck. (said that I didnt, but I assumed me saying that would cause some people to not believe it entirely).
[quote=“Aelin, post:2469, topic:87229”]
Also, Aelin was the only person who pointed out the redacted bits in my earlier notes, which was annoying, as I was hoping adding “REDACTED” to a few could incite some paranoia in the wolves.
Phase two after I’ve realized i’ve milked PKR and the reactions from others of me milking him.
[quote=“Intensify, post:2522, topic:87229”]
This was a late reaction to Phase One by Intensify that intrigued me on Intensify’s alignment, as they feign interest and then possibly pry for info by dancing around the subject with a seemingly adjacent-relative question.
[quote=“Intensify, post:2522, topic:87229”]
This then backtracks and shows a bit of awareness to my plan, as well as pointing out PKR’s resistance to the redcheck being witheld.
[quote=“Intensify, post:2522, topic:87229”]
Oddly enough this was one of Intensify’s towniest posts, as the awareness seems naturelly biased from a town perspective seeing themself scumread
Ending Intensify’s post with a push on me regardless of the previous findings, I am having trouble finding out whether this is AI or not.
Then they backtracked again catching my interest again.
Wind caught onto it as well.
Here is an instance where I hint at my findings.
[quote=“EVO, post:2536, topic:87229”]
This is where I notice that Intensify is chatty and made a slip in judgement that may have been from a scum PoV.
[quote=“EVO, post:2545, topic:87229”]
Wind also, as reliable as they are for noticing this stuff, liked this post, giving me the thought that I may be able to pass the majority of my findings to them before my lynch.
[quote=“EVO, post:2547, topic:87229”]
This is a NAI logical fallacy that I was pointing out for the sake of pressuring intensify after their slip about Eevee.
Here is where I end the interaction and leave my work with Wind to analyze while I went to work.
here I was just trying to keep the thread from just sitting and waiting on my check, so I threw a bone to encourage interactions
Notice that theselection contains two of my townreads, and two coasters. Also, my townreads at this time were somewhat suspected to be scum, so the extra pressure on them made me look out for oppertunists, which you wills see soon.
This was just me giving them an out on claiming neutral, making it more likely someone gives something to save themself later
[quote=“GonZ, post:2621, topic:87229”]
late reaction to Phase Three.
At this point I was still unaware what tf ice cream had to do with anything
this is when I realized my plan wasn’t going exactly where I wanted it to go
As expressed here.
Not letting this get buried.
Cool so i think i understand what EVO was trying to do
Still not taking my vote off of EVO because 1) that was incredibly stupid and 2) this is not something that scum cannot do
As top wagon i think scum would find the most outlandish ways to get back into a townread
But the way that EVO tried to pry information seems logical
In which case I may want to look at {Intensify, GonZ, Tigrial}
Those that voted me extremely fast then backed down extremely quickly, without taking time to evaluate the merits of EVO’s claims and took the line of “well a redcheck and a neopolitan check is 100% proof”
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Vote Count
| Accused | Voters | Number |
|---|---|---|
| EVO | EliThePsycho, clonedcheese, lol | 3/7 |
| clonedcheese | GonZ | 1/7 |
| EliThePsycho | WindwardAway | 1/7 |
| PokemonKidRyan | Intensify | 1/7 |
| [No Exe] | cdecora | 1/7 |
| [Not Voting] | eevee, Aelin, an_gorta_pratai, Tilgarial, PokemonKidRyan, EVO | 6 |
EOD2 is at 2021-03-29T19:50:00Z.
I’m actually very close to voting Tilgarial for something I noticed both yesterday and today
all right.
while I think your tone has been pretty consistently towny and hasn’t stuck out at all, I’d like to know why, on both D1 and D2 so far, you looked like you were hunting for neutrals more than you were hunting for scum.
Both scum and neutral have non-town behaviour, so hunting for one is basically hunting for the other anyways?
And this is an FM desigend after NUF, i just can’t imagine there NOT being a neutral that’s possibly game changing
right, I could accept the standard NUF setup as a valid reason for it.
but we don’t know for sure that a neut would be something we need to vote out. There was only one night kill last night so I’m leaning toward no neutral threat, unless a protective made a good call.
I don’t totally agree about the non-town behavior, though. A lost wolf type neut would also be solving the game in order to figure out who they win with, for example.
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