[Standard] WoW:BfA v1.1 - Alliance Victory (2/16)

Alice · June 17, 2020, 9:19pm

Not yet.

/unvote

Leafia · June 17, 2020, 9:20pm

That’s what I was thinking earlier. I don’t think Light is w here. Heal Chloe tonight Light. /unvote

Looks like I likely misread the description for shadow mend. They should reword it better.

Alice · June 17, 2020, 9:20pm

I disagree here, tbh. Frankie this match feels way too agreeable, kind of like how Leafia played in Insurgency.

Aelin · June 17, 2020, 9:20pm

@Leafia

Alice · June 17, 2020, 9:22pm

/vote Frankie

Leafia · June 17, 2020, 9:22pm

Ah. I see now. I did misread the card then. Sorry about that Light.

Aelin · June 17, 2020, 9:22pm

Maybe, but all of their reads seem fully fleshed out. I don’t think that I’ve played with them before, though, so I can’t claim to know their playstyle.

Leafia · June 17, 2020, 9:23pm

Can you point out where it seems too agreeable?

SirDerpsAlot · June 17, 2020, 9:23pm

Back to work I go

Alice · June 17, 2020, 9:25pm

Frankie:

I’m liking Alice’s posting a lot. I find that when she posts something, I usually end up agreeing with it. I might be biased because she’s the 1 person who I recognise here, but I really liked the two posts below!

Alice:

Meta is a crutch.

Avoid using it as it’s impossible to use it if you play on a large site like MU.

Alice:

/vote Centuries

I agree with her on Meta, mostly. I do think that some people might have a LHF Meta and may need to be treated more carefully, but usually, Meta reads can be used to justify reading any player as any alignment, if things are cherrypicked. This can come from town as well, and that is almost worse! A town member can think they have a good case when in reality they have been ignoring the games that do not support their case because they want to be right.

I also like her centuries vote. His 2nd post seemed fairly performative. It was a moderately long, but in the end it said almost nothing. In fact, reading through his ISO, and ignoring his defense of napoleon, he has not taken many stances or given that many reads. It improves later down the ISO, but even then his push of chloe is not that great. Clearly, they disagree on the Napoleon read, which is fine, but him saying that is reason to vote her is not something I particularly agree with.

/vote Centuries

@Centuries My message to you is to please take slightly stronger stances! Right now it seems like you are just floating. Don’t be afraid to make some stronger reads, you can always re-evaluate them later, but right now it seems like you are putting most players as Null, and that does not do much to actually help the game or understand your reads.

Frankie:

Hello, my wonderful kitties! I think that Centuries’s posting has improved greatly, and the same with Napoleon! I no longer wish to vote for him. I agree with Alice with her point on Chloe, that “reaction test” was nowhere near enough to justify the push that you put on Napoleon.

It’s very possible that he is just a townie who did not read OP! I always read it carefully, but I know some of my friends don’t do it all the time. Saying he is your top mafia read for that does not sit right with me. It’s possible chloe is simply in a tunnel, and trying to justify that tunnel as Town, but as of right now I think there’s a very good chance that it is just agenda.

/vote chloe

Chloe:

I’ll do some re-evaluating of nappy later in this day - because rn i can tell im kinda trigger happy after thinking i found a scum

Too tired for a full eval rn tho
So im staying here

She did say this, and I will be waiting, but for now, my vote will stay here!

Finally his progression on light was weird. He first found it odd how I was going the full Amrock to lynch him then once I posted a summary of my case he immediately 180’d his position.

Leafia · June 17, 2020, 9:29pm

Hmmm, that’s certainly food for thought and while I don’t entirely agree with you about him being a likely wolf, I do see how he seems to be sheeping you and perhaps trying to pocket you. I don’t entirely object to your vote on him, even if I don’t like it, but we’ll need a counterwagon and I’m not sure if Light would be good for one. Any suggestions on a counterwagon?

Frankie · June 17, 2020, 9:30pm

I come back to the thread and this is what I see.

Alice:

Frankie:

I’m liking Alice’s posting a lot. I find that when she posts something, I usually end up agreeing with it. I might be biased because she’s the 1 person who I recognise here, but I really liked the two posts below!

Alice:

Meta is a crutch.

Avoid using it as it’s impossible to use it if you play on a large site like MU.

Alice:

/vote Centuries

I agree with her on Meta, mostly. I do think that some people might have a LHF Meta and may need to be treated more carefully, but usually, Meta reads can be used to justify reading any player as any alignment, if things are cherrypicked. This can come from town as well, and that is almost worse! A town member can think they have a good case when in reality they have been ignoring the games that do not support their case because they want to be right.

I also like her centuries vote. His 2nd post seemed fairly performative. It was a moderately long, but in the end it said almost nothing. In fact, reading through his ISO, and ignoring his defense of napoleon, he has not taken many stances or given that many reads. It improves later down the ISO, but even then his push of chloe is not that great. Clearly, they disagree on the Napoleon read, which is fine, but him saying that is reason to vote her is not something I particularly agree with.

/vote Centuries

@Centuries My message to you is to please take slightly stronger stances! Right now it seems like you are just floating. Don’t be afraid to make some stronger reads, you can always re-evaluate them later, but right now it seems like you are putting most players as Null, and that does not do much to actually help the game or understand your reads.

Frankie:

Hello, my wonderful kitties! I think that Centuries’s posting has improved greatly, and the same with Napoleon! I no longer wish to vote for him. I agree with Alice with her point on Chloe, that “reaction test” was nowhere near enough to justify the push that you put on Napoleon.

It’s very possible that he is just a townie who did not read OP! I always read it carefully, but I know some of my friends don’t do it all the time. Saying he is your top mafia read for that does not sit right with me. It’s possible chloe is simply in a tunnel, and trying to justify that tunnel as Town, but as of right now I think there’s a very good chance that it is just agenda.

/vote chloe

Chloe:

I’ll do some re-evaluating of nappy later in this day - because rn i can tell im kinda trigger happy after thinking i found a scum

Too tired for a full eval rn tho
So im staying here

She did say this, and I will be waiting, but for now, my vote will stay here!

Frankie:

You say a lot of things I want to say, just do it first! It’s hard not to when you have said just about everything there is to be said in your 150 posts . I can’t help it if I agree with you!

And nobody’s tried to rub the kitty’s belly so I’m not going to get bitey or scratchy yet! I just don’t like conflict and actively try to avoid it. Even if I am mafia-reading somebody, I always try to give them a chance to explain themselves because tunneling is a huge problem! And I think that so far this approach has worked for me! I’ve pushed people, asked them to do certain things, and liked them more when they delivered as long as it was good.

Frankie:

Thank you! I didn’t even notice ones like #7.

/jettison Light

I don’t think he’s that close to hammer and this is a solid case for me.

Finally his progression on light was weird. He first found it odd how I was going the full Amrock to lynch him then once I posted a summary of my case he immediately 180’d his position.

If you read my post that you quoted, I said I liked voting light because of point #7, one I hadn’t noticed earlier! That’s what happens when you lay out a case, people can get the whole idea of what you are saying and notice all the details.

Alice, I’m pretty sure you know me, so saying I’m mafia for being “too agreeable” is just too funny. I’d like to think I can just be nice without any bad intentions! If people are conditioned to think that way then I am very sorry for them.

Alice · June 17, 2020, 9:31pm

That’s kind of the problem as I don’t remember playing w/ anyone named Frankie on MU.

Frankie · June 17, 2020, 9:35pm

I already told you that wasn’t my MU name, silly! It’s the name of my kitty. I don’t want to explicitly reveal my identity if I don’t have to, but I’m suprised you haven’t figured it out yet.

Ah, it doesn’t matter that much. I am fine sticking on light right now, he’s still made no effort to drive the wagon off of himself and still seems like dead weight. Italy is another person i’d be happy voting. I’ll look at a few consensus PoE slots right now.

Leafia · June 17, 2020, 9:36pm

An Italy counterwagon could be good. /Vote Italy

Leafia · June 17, 2020, 9:36pm

@KyoDaz

Alice · June 17, 2020, 9:37pm

May I have a complete readlist from you rn?

Frankie · June 17, 2020, 9:39pm

Sure! I’m going to have to take a deeper look at each slot first, and will want to give a paragraph of reasoning on each ranking. On a side note, how do you do spoilers on this site? The spoiler button just blurs the text.

Alice · June 17, 2020, 9:39pm

Click the gear then hide spoilers.

Frankie · June 17, 2020, 9:57pm

Kitty has some things to do. I have most of my things saved in a google doc but I’m not completely done yet. Expect the reads list to come in a few hours!