[Suggestion] Hunter is overly friendly to bad play and that needs to change

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#1

Out of all the roles that Blue Dragon has that are Kill capable at night, Hunter is the only one that is lenient towards bad playing.

With Prince, Execute the wrong guy and you can no longer Execute. With Knight, Cold Steel a friendly and you will kill yourself. Fair enough, both balanced, IMO.

But Hunter? Wolf the wrong guy and, oh hey, you still got one more to kill someone with. This is so permissive to trolling and awful gameplay it’s kind of unreal.
I believe this role needs to be tweaked before it really becomes a problem with trolls. Perhaps a simple tweak to make the Wolf actually check if someone is BD or not before it attacks?

If they’re BD, the Wolf will abstain and the Hunter will get notified of that while still losing a use of that skill. If their target is Neutral/Unseen/Cult however, The Wolf will act as it does now and attack.

This gives Hunter slightly more utility by being able to either verify someone as BD or killing someone who isn’t. The result you get depends on players better judgement, rather than “lel lemme kill this guy… whoops.”

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#2

The blue Dragon killers are already heavily nerfed, but I agree, hunter is very poorly used atm.

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#3

Not a fan of this idea at all. It heavily encourages using the Wolf on people, because it will now only kill them if they aren’t BD. This may technically prevent the Hunter from making bad plays, but it does so by erasing all downsides to the killing role and making the bleed mechanic kinda pointless, as nobody bleeding will ever be healed.

#4

Omniscient (Can’t be wrong) BD killing is a huge no-no.
It shouldn’t be the devs reaponsibility if people can’t play hunter right.

Tbh killing a BD IS the bad thing you want to avoid. It’s just Prince and Knight have other abilities, so their killing wrongly must have a downside.
Hunter is risk reward. We shouldn’t balance for people who can’t play it right.

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#5

Also we have a reporting system for a reason.
We also shouldn’t unbalance the game to make it troll-proof.

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#6

prince can jail and become king.

knight can guard.

The other BD killers have abilities they can use other than killing. Hunter does not. For this reason, it makes sense that hunter be able to kill better

#7

@Icibalus I know it can be a penalty if you kill a BD. That doesn’t really address though how the Hunter’s faction is punished more than themselves. Once again, if they make a mistake they’re free to make another. This permits troll behavior.

@RopeStringFace They have traps, too. It’s just about the same as Veteran bait from ToS.

#8

Are they gay tho? :thinking: Hunter is absoutle shit. It needs major re-working

#9

you clearly missed what I said.

The prince can occupy and talk to people. The knight can prevent someone’s death.

The only thing hunter is useful for is killing.

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#10

The hunter is overly friendly to bad play, and that needs to change… by the player base not being awful!

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#11

@Moleland That’s like saying a flawed world should be perfect, when it isn’t and never will be. I’ve been killed more as BD by Hunter wolves than I’ve seen them actually kill those from the opposing factions.

What I’m suggesting would assist with lessening their ill effect. Another option is to make Hunter Neutral and leave them as is aside from that. As Prince I’d really love to execute the ones who get out of line without penalty.

#12

But what’s a Neutral Hunter’s goal?

I just don’t see that working out that well.

#13

I almost never kill innocents with hunter, AND don’t remember the last time I wolfed a bd

#14

@Moleland It’s nice you seem to play it properly but as I’ve said in most of the games I’ve been in, Hunter is used in a very foolish way.

#15

Hunter is a strange class with an unclear concept. It is the most risk/most reward BD class there is.

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#16

In most games I play, all of BD acts stupid and lynches at least 2 of their team by the end, same amount of people hunter can kill with wolfs.

Should we take away the ability to vote people on trial?

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#17

No. That’s the effect of many people being on the wrong track, not one.
It takes 7-8 people to be wrong to convict that one person in your scenario. With Hunter’s, it takes only themselves.

With that said, obviously the role requires lots of responsibility to play properly especially with it having no safeguards. And I don’t believe the majority of the playerbase has that.

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#18

There’s definitely an issue with Hunter where it is almost always correct to NOT use your traps within the first couple nights, but newer players feel like it is “wrong” to not do anything at night.

The Hunter, despite being able to kill the Mastermind and NK classes, is incredibly weak, and is a huge liability to BD in every game it spawns in. I’d love to see some raw data of BD’s win rate when a Hunter is present and not present.

#19

hunters responsibility is less than that of the Prince

maybe make Prince neutral so he can’t single handed destroy bd …

the worst hunters I cone across though are the them :don’t heal the bleeders they tried to kill me …
me: umm how do you know they tried to kill you ?
them :they tried to visit me 1111!!
me : well they could of visited you for lots of different reasons .
them : ok kill the bleeders then kill this guy who is defending them
me : oh ok

#20

It’s always good to interrogate bleeders. If the hunter is attacked, let all bleeders die/be lynched