Temporarally remove inq (or test without it)

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#1

One thing I’ve been thinking more on… I honestly think on a practical level a smart BD should auto kill inq claims if they are made (to king, prince or anything). I think with regard to the sorcerer… the inq is actually more likely to be an unintentional helper rather than the greatest threat. Here’s my logic on that.

  1. His investigative abilities are countered so strongly they don’t realistically exist. Assuming most games go to about 8 days, the sorcerer is going to make half of those results worthless. IE 1/4th are auto false positives, 1/4th are auto false negative. That’s of course before factoring in the occasional CW, psychic, cult etc… On a practical basis, there’s no reason to bother making the checks at all. You are far better off scumreading, or working off of results from classes that aren’t vulnerable to magic dust etc…

  2. In most the BD victories in sorc games The BD succesfully scumreads sorc, and executes him… which to me makes the darn thing redundant.

  3. Inq’s ability himself… as he doesn’t really care about BD’s winrate so long as he maximizes his odds of causing the sorc to die before something happens to him. To me on a practical level the maximally beneficial way to do that is use all of your blind stabs… attempt to make them more efficiant via people acting scummy or killer/offensive results from princesses.

So my point is… inq probably helps sorc more than it hurts, as it’s much more likely to kill more unrelated bd… than it is to kill the actual sorc. I know sorc has the highest winrate of NKs (due to unseen/cult winning with it). I don’t see a good reason to conclude the inq is what keeps it from being worse. I think it may even be a contributing factor. Sorc’s are the NKs with the highest potential of kills per night. Adding in a neutral that’s roughly the equivelant of an alchemist with no heals and 3 yolobombs.

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#2

lol bd are smart. (/s)

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#3

well, statistically there’s more likely to be one smart person in BD, than the inq is to be smart enough to make a correct conclusion, as there’s 9x more BD than inq, and they are both working with the same information.

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#4

I’m gonna say it one more time.
Overall i think the whole dynamic between Inquisitor and Sorcerer should be reworked, including some abilities like Magic Dust and Magic Cloak which are mostly making Inq’s abilities useless half time and Ruthless Efficency that it can’t kill anyone who didn’t come up as Magic User to prevent random attacks N1/N2.

Honestly i saw most of the time, she got caught by weak fakeclaim or Princess/Observer/Butler/Drunk etc. But statistically it make sense.

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#5

Sorc isn’t a true NK because it doesn’t do what a NK is meant to do.

#6

A long time ago I remember someone proposing an inq/sorc rework were both were neutral killers with a 1-day cooldown on their night kill, however if they killed the other they would remove that cooldown. I cant find that rework but it seemed more interesting than current inq/sorc. I believe it was made by either Livicus, Orange or NightX.

#7

Nah, that was Nuke’s idea.

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#8

Agreed, inquisitor just needs a complete rework and sorc should be reworked so it’s just a normal NK(its win con is fine, just not for neutral killing).

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#9

Make sorc normal. Remove inquistor. Problem solved.

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#10

nah thats too boring. I prefer nuke’s rework

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#11

Boring<fun balance

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#12

Or make Sorc almost invinsible and make Inquisitor as actual counter. /shrug

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#13

Make sorc kill everyone N1 ez

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#14

you can theoretically do that with circle of death

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#15

@Twil1ight, IMO, I’d imagine that my rework here would fit your bill to an ideal Sorc/Inq dynamic.

It essentially fixes the issue of the Inquisitor being a yolobomber while also giving much of the burden of finding the Sorcerer to the Inquisitor.

#16

can’t kill king.

#17

Btw, remember were we had the unconvertable sheriff with surveille? And they would sometimes say “everyone visit me tonight to confirm you are a visiting role”

Imagine sorc’s circle with that lol

#18

But there can be Neutral King. And she doesn’t need to kill him.
/s

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#19

Your rework still keeps the main problem of inquisitor though, which is inq being a hardcounter. Hardcounters are a broken concept since they’re not fun to play as or against and have an easy win condition

#20

I agree that hard-counters are bad. It’s just that even the current concept of the Sorc/Inq dynamic is broken as the Inquisitor right now is just a yolobomber who hopes to hit the Sorc or fully relies on BD to find them via occupations, flirts, and whatnot.

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