Thing Game - Joy Flavor - Game Over - Town Wins!

[min]

Let me think of what to do. Hhh

[an_gorta_pratai]

@Universal

[an_gorta_pratai]

I feel bad since Universal has no content

[min]

Yeah

Literally everyone has. eh content and it’s disheartening

[WindwardAway]

Made notes as I backread.

I know I said I’d focus on interactions, but I ended up doing a bit of both. I didn’t ISO and just read the thread as it was (and… didn’t get very far yet tbh). I have some comments on individual slots and some comments on interactions as a result, but it’s all from D1 so far. I’m gonna try to skim faster and skip less important posts, but there were very few points where there was enough activity from multiple slots to possibly glean information off, except at EoD.

D1, part 1

@Joy_Pig

mafia could also kill an LHF and wreak havoc by making everyone think there was a jump

here’s the first mention in the thread that wolves could fake a jump, and it comes from Pig (Appelsiini’s slot). I’m taking it as NAI as probably either alignment could’ve suggested this.

@Joy_Grapes

this game is gonna be fun

this is all the original slotholder for Grapes said before vanishing for a while. I’m assuming the comment was sarcastic, but the fact that it was their opener before treeing is… not great.

@Joy_Coin

I want to pressure Eggplant until they contribute more, I find their first three posts pretty lacking and scummy.

Starts off with generic I don’t want to be here, then votes Alarm for using exclamation points, which I find a shitty and scummy vote with not much thought behind it, then complains about it.

Sheep me Joy_Town

I also want to move out of whatever the fuck this is because it makes my head hurt reading it.

@Joy_Coin

Anyway @Joy_Heart I’m simping for you

@Joy_Coin

I also don’t like Joy_Pig.

@Joy_Coin

So my post achieved 1/2 goals.

It got people to talk but not about reads.

cough cough

@Joy_Coin

I scared everyone away

Here’s the first set of substantial posts by Coin (Sulit’s slot). Coin found Eggplant scummy within a total of 3 opening posts and also said Pig seemed scummy, but didn’t elaborate right away. Alarm (Min) entered the thread and offered to help with putting pressure on Eggplant (Cloned’s slot).
(Btw this is to clarify the context of the pressure vote that was being discussed earlier on the topic of whether or not Min’s slot is wolfy).
Cloud (unidentified town slot) immediately entered and called Alarm suspicious, voted Alarm, and said that offering to help with pressure defeats the purpose of a pressure vote.

I do understand why publicly announcing a pressure vote defeats the purpose, as I recently got told off in another game for doing the same thing, but at the same time I understand why Alarm didn’t realize why it defeated the purpose of a pressure vote because I’ve made the same mistake (and Min only started playing FM one game before I did iirc).

Coin has been very forthright thus far, and while I don’t think that’s a bad thing, they did come off as a bit aggressive in the thread now that I’m backreading. I do, however, want to say it’s similar to the sort of confidence that Lock (Marl’s/ATN’s slot) exuded later on in the game, in that both of them ask the town to sheep them for a win. I think it’s almost too gutsy of a move to make as a wolf so early in the game here, but what I do find worrisome is how Coin pushes on Eggplant based off a grand total of three posts, unless it’s an RT.

@Joy_Coin

I don’t find the emoji thing that scummy, can you elaborate why it wouldn’t come from town

@Joy_Cloud

The emoji thing is such an easy ‘tone’ to imitate that it feels (and I know this word gets thrown around a lot but) performative. Imo it’s really not indicative of much on it’s own but it’s the reason they gave for using it that threw me off a little.

@Joy_Alarm

Also, sure let me give reads

If you don’t like how I’m posting I’ll stop for now

@Joy_Cloud

Yeah, I know, it’s just the emoji thing (only because of the reason given) doesn’t feel right, even in the context of this game.

@Joy_Cloud

post however you like, it’s your choice

@Joy_Alarm

Why should I post how I feel is right when it’s scummy to you? If it’s not helpful to town, then I shall just not do it.

In the interaction here, it looks to me like Coin is prompting Cloud to clarify their read on Alarm. Alarm steps in and offers to both give reads and stop posting in quirks if it’s becoming problematic, then takes their pressure vote off Eggplant. But then Alarm is immediately scumread by Cloud for offering to type normally. They clarify that they’re offering this in order to be helpful to town, which I think is a plausible reason, and then they begin giving their early reads backed with reasons that I can follow the thought process on.

@Joy_Alarm

A read I do have as of now is joyfrance being a friendly joy.

They encouraged me to try different things typing wise and even gave feedback (example, they did say that the emojis could clog up thread, which is another reason why I’m not emojiposting on this post) on some. I know that scum obviously can do that, but their advice really seemed pure. They don’t seem all forced in thread,

Also, just a thought I have on my own, I feel like there could very well be a monstrous beast typing out their words like a poem. It appears like many people are trying to do that as of now, which is what concerns me, as it is very very easy to jump from each poet to another.

It doesn’t mean they’re necessarily good reasons, but they’re reasons that I can at least see existing, that I don’t think are completely fabricated (France is my slot.)

The thing in particular about a wolf hiding behind walls of poetry is a legitimate fear I see several others mention later on, as well, so I’d say it’s NAI as there are more mentions of it being a potential scumtell or way for scum to hide than there are wolves in this game lol.

@Joy_Cloud

I pushed alarm on a kind of non-point just to see what kind of reaction I could get, and even though they got quite defensive (probably due to how tunnelly I got), the content of their defense didn’t strike me as off.
You’re the next scummiest person on my list

This particular post by Cloud is where I think they started looking suspicious to me; they read Alarm’s defensive response as not being too bad, but then jumped on Eggplant.

@Joy_Lock

@Joy_Lock

/vote Joy Alarm @Marshal

@Joy_Lock

We’ve got this game

On lock

@Joy_Lock

Every single poem at the start is anti town

@Joy_Lock

Joy Alarm is awkwardly defensive and probably wolf

@Joy_Lock

That’s all I got
I’ll accept your cacophonous applause now.

This is Marl’s slot and undoubtedly remained Marl’s slot lol.
I found the immediate SR on Alarm a bit unusual, but that kind of ego entrance from him is actually very telling now that I’m backreading it and I could definitely see it coming from town!Marl. If he’s stepped up his wolf game then maybe it has some wolf equity, but I feel pretty confident in saying that this post plus his general progression in the slot is extremely town-indicative. I’m now going to focus less on reading Lock in particular but rather the interactions with them instead.

@Joy_Alarm

I think it’s valid that you can think I’m a wolf because you think I was too defensive

I believe I wasn’t, and I was simply defending myself from being pushed. I don’t know how I really seemed awkward tho?

(on a side note, this post read very strongly as being Min’s slot imo)

@Joy_Popcorn

I have the best flavor

Who wouldn’t want to be popcorn

When Popcorn (unknown alignment, night kill) enters, they just post once and then dip for a while, similarly to Grapes. They don’t interact with anyone here (although maybe it was during one of those points where nobody was in the thread; I didn’t really check the time stamps).

@Joy_Hamster

I am the life of the party (I know), but I really don’t like the way baseball and france are interacting at the start here

@Joy_Hamster

this looks like partner interactions to me

Hamster (Gorta’s slot) enters and immediately gives a read on the poetry at the beginning of the thread. While I beg to differ (because I’m one of the slots lol), I don’t actually think this reasoning is so bad. I can say on my part that it was unplanned, which may or may not be evident from the fact that I didn’t immediately start by posting in poems until I realized I could have made my post rhyme, and with a positive response from Baseball I continued poetry posting.

I’m going to honestly say I don’t remember Gorta coming into a thread and immediately giving a take with an at least somewhat believable reason behind it, but I applaud him for the effort he’s been making here. I’m not going to be dumb and immediately activity read him for it because I think that’s unfair.

@Joy_Moon

collapsing this because I quoted an entire poem, oops

Baseball and France seem fine.
Rhymes are not necessarily scummy like others whine.

Alarm and Lock are likely not both wolf.
Because Lock feels like they’re sincerely trying to throw Alarm in a gulf.

The animals two
Have not said much special, have you?
So a read I shall not place.
Until there is more to analyse with grace.

Heart and Stop were here at the start.
But as for their posts? None reach my heart.

Cloud’s ISO is a tale of two sides.
The first part felt scummy, the second perhaps is towny for how it guides.
So I will place a read of “unsure”
Though this slot is the first with a start that wasn’t pure.

Shirt simply felt like a sheep.
But with trying to have a closed mind and then follow Cloud… it just feels cheap.

Coin feels weird and slightly performative.
I wish their ISO was a bit more afformative.

Eggplant’s just done nothing but a basic and not well explained vote.
I would not be complaining if at this rate… this slot was yote.

(Sorry I was trying to avoid quoting poetry lol)
This is the first post I’d say has actual substance from Moon (PKR’s slot), and it’s a readlist. Most of the reads come across as just being null at that point, other than on Eggplant and Coin. They mention in the tl;dr at the end that Cloud, Eggplant and Coin look bad, but in the readlist Cloud seems to be somewhere in between due to having both wolfy and towny posts, according to Moon. I’m guessing it’s a nullscum read but I’m not entirely sure if I follow it.

In terms of PKR’s overall interactions, I don’t think I noted too much about them but he vibed with me a couple times with some poetry, especially early on in the game when Baseball was also active, which felt decently natural to me. He replied pretty quickly as I recall and didn’t spend forever writing responses, so the real-time interaction looked good.

@Joy_Stop

If you’re making poems in your post I’m not reading it

Just a fyi

@Joy_Stop

I just won’t read you

@Joy_Stop

Well I’ll read the first two lines

And if it’s a poem I’ll keep going

@Joy_France

I beg to differ; thats bad for town
and on my face this puts a frown

@Joy_France

you said you would read two lines
so two lines did I write
now ill go back to longer verse
because its you ill spite.

@Joy_Lock

While your irritation is noted
Your temper, clearly short
France here is extremely GOATed
So you should be a good sport

@Joy_Stop

I think I’m going to very much regret joining this game

@Joy_Lock

You and me both brother

@Joy_Lock

At least I’m having fun being degenerate

@Joy_Stop

Anyways I need to go to school

Or work

Sone something

Idk

Insert some excuse to not be here

@Joy_Stop

I don’t actually have anything going on the game just makes me sad

I don’t know if this is worth noting but Stop really didn’t want to read any of my posts. I’m sure it was the poetry that turned them off (hence why I offered several times to give it up, but was also sort of worried you guys would think I was jumped if I suddenly quit) but I tried to encourage Stop to make an effort to read anyway. Lock stepped in to back me in encouraging Stop to read the game (I think) but Stop just kind of gave up lol. I don’t think it was particularly AI; they were just tired of reading poems. I didn’t find that anything felt off in the interactions here, though, and Lock said almost immediately after that they thought Stop was town.

@Joy_Grapes

GTH Baseball france v/v because the poem thing doesn’t seem liked planned interaction

also do mafia have day/night chat this is my first time playing on this site lmao

@Joy_Grapes

honestly all i know about this site is that people are cracked and never take shit seriously so this was about what I was expecting , maybe tuned up a bit

Here is the second time Grapes posts in the thread, and they fake being a newbie (or at least I think that’s what it was), which sparked a debate over it that somehow accidentally got mistranslated onto Eggplant later because of confusion about which one was which. Lock plops a townlean on them, though, and then Grapes places a vote on Alarm.

@Joy_Pig

@Joy_Grapes

also do mafia have day/night chat this is my first time playing on this site lmao

lmao kill this

@Joy_Lock

It’s a lie but not necessarily an AI lie

@Joy_Grapes

Nobody should be townclearing me for that in the first place, if you’re insisting i’m trying to get cleared that way then that’s assuming too little of the playerbase i think /shrug

@Joy_Pig

no i just think you’re very obviously lying

@Joy_Lock

Yes but it doesn’t make them scum

Pig jumps pretty quickly on Grapes here, despite that Lock points out faking being a newbie shouldn’t be taken as AI even if it’s an obvious lie. I remember not being a fan of this reaction from them, but also understanding how it could be interpreted either way, and I don’t think Pig looked too scummy for thinking this was the case.

@Joy_Pig

@Joy_Lock

They’re doing it to reduce the odds scum jumps them because it’ll be immediately noticable if they just stop doing poems. The motivation behind it is towny even if it is a bit annoying for some people.

except when you consider how doing it as a wolf is also +ev because it makes everything harder to read and also gives you towncred by acting like you’re trying not to get jumped

Again, although I speak for myself when I say that wasn’t my motivation to post poetry, I do see this as a valid point (and I’m pretty sure I said more than once that poetry should just be taken as NAI since it can come from either alignment).

That’s as far as I got before I got tired of reading the thread so thoroughly and commenting lol. After that, I compressed things more:

D1, part 2

@Joy_Popcorn

GTH reads to get discussion going and because I was bored

Here’s where Popcorn pops into the thread again (pun intended) with what either looks like a fishy readlist with way too solid reads, way too early in the game, or an RT.

The interaction immediately after this backs that there’s suspicion or at least some form of disbelief concerning Popcorn’s readlist.

@Joy_Eggplant

Ive been watching the thread
And something came to me
This is practically a vanilla game
With little mech other than noticing weird tics
Thus scum would try and towncore themselves as much as possible, and only do the possessor thing if things got hard since it’s very hard to actually pull off the possessor thing
We all have different behaviors that will be hard to emulate

Combining all this, town would have little incentive to act abnormally to “prevent” the possessor thing; they can just talk normally and get on with it. Rather, it would be scum doing these erratic things to “prove” that they are town early on by “being scared of” the possessor thing

Thus im suspicious of alarm, france, and eevee, among which alarm ranks the highest since they just… stopped doing it after a while?

Cloned comes into the thread again and gives this long post with reasoning on why typing with some form of identifier might be scummier rather than towny. It’s one of the posts that I believe is most likely to come from town, because although a wolf could push the same angle in the hopes of getting town executed for it, I also think it’s likely they’d accidentally incriminate some of their own wolf partners in that statement. At the very least, I’m pretty sure it means that Cloned can’t be a wolf with anyone who was using typing quirks or writing poetry, and although I thought he seemed scummy D1, his D2 posts kind of convinced me his slot was town. In backreading a lot of his posts, in fact, they look less wolfy than I initially thought (like some of the lists he made).

@Marshal

|joy_alarm|joy_eggplant, Joy_lock, joy_grapes, joy_shirt|4

a VC from D1

@Marshal

Vote Count

Vote Target	Voted by	Votes
joy_alarm	joy_eggplant, Joy_lock, joy_grapes, joy_shirt	4
joy_eggplant	joy_France, joy_cloud	2
joy_cloud	joy_heart	1
joy_heart	joy_pig	1
joy_eevee	joy_moon	1
joy_popcorn	joy_coin	1

Ping me or arete if there are errors.

The vote count here very clearly reflects that Alarm was the top wagon at this point. This is what I meant when I said that it feels like Min’s been scumread for 3 days already.

As Alarm is continuously pushed, Tongue joins the thread and gives their takes. It ends up being Tongue + Alarm vs. Eggplant, which I initially thought while reading that there was likely a wolf among them and most likely Eggplant, but sometime on D2 I had serious doubts about it as I mentioned above.

@Joy_Alarm

• No I’m not
• It wasn’t on hand…? It came to mind
• I’m not deflecting blame. I scumread you, lol

(on another side note, this post also highly resembles Min’s usual typing)

The interaction between Shirt, Eggplant, Tongue, Alarm, Pig and Coin that ensues is interesting. There’s a lot of back and forth on what could or couldn’t be seen as a scumslip, whether certain posts are scummy or not, and whether calling them scummy is actually useful or not. The discussion just devolves into a weird argument and then… dies. I hate to say that the way it unfolds makes me think there wasn’t even a wolf in it, because nobody did anything to intervene, but upon backreading this I don’t know why I didn’t consider it before as a possibility.

I’m going to take a quick pause from backreading and ISO Popcorn here because I want to point out the inconsistency in their reads.

Popcorn ISO

@Joy_Popcorn

My thoughts are “wow, I should probably catch up”. Yours?

@Joy_Popcorn

Joy_Lock/Joy_France seem like V/V with the whole poem thing at the start and they’re both alright tonally
Joy_Shirt’s overconfidence makes me believe it’s a villager

@Joy_Popcorn

I don’t feel like Joy_Alarm is all that scummy from what I breezed through, the bolded is a bit ironic because their earlier post said nothing about those people’s alignments yet still throwing in the “1 scum probably here”

@Joy_Popcorn

Joy_Eggplant is a scumlean

@Joy_Popcorn

Here are my takes, and I would like everyone to comment on them please. No questions, just comments. Go

Pig, Shirt, Coin, Eggplant, Stop, Alarm, Hamster V
France, Moon, Lock W

This is where I went “yikes”. Notice that Popcorn’s reads have suddenly shifted drastically to throw Lock and me into the PoE (I do realize I misread it at first thinking that Popcorn meant that Moon and I were lockwolf, but it was just that Lock was listed last lol).

They certainly did launch a discussion on their reads, but it was weird that they refused to answer questions and only asked for comments. It felt very superficial, and could have been an RT, but they just vanished from the thread without ever allowing questions to be asked or clarifying whether or not it really was an RT, which I didn’t like at all.

Popcorn comes back into the thread later to push Tongue for crumbling under pressure for being scumread, with a tonal shift that Pig points out as being a potential indicator that it’s an agenda push.

Also, Popcorn’s slot reads 0% as Min, so unless Alarm was faking being Min and Min is really good at faking their typing style, I highly doubt Min was ever Popcorn.

Conclusion: I think Popcorn was being pretty dodgy and there’s no way it was Min.

Last thing I think I have time for is looking at D1 EoD.

D1, part 3 (EoD)

I’m going to save time by not quoting too much here as I keep screwing up the formatting and having to fix it, weh.

By the time EoD came around, the top wagons were tied, with 3 votes on Alarm and 3 votes on Tongue. After being prodded for inactivity, Heart (unidentified town slot) returned to the thread, expressed being content with their vote on Cloud, then decided to break the tie and vote Alarm instead.

Because of the sudden change in vote, I questioned Heart (maybe not very effectively, now that I think about it) and they basically said maybe Alarm was scum without giving any reasoning. The wagons then started moving a lot, with a good number of people popping in, changing to vote out Popcorn, and then I decided to vote Heart because I legitimately thought their vote on Alarm looked opportunistic. Someone did point out to me that it might not be a scummy vote, but I’m stupid and didn’t listen, especially because Heart changed their vote to Popcorn after the latest votecount and said they were sheeping their (unspecified) townread.
Joy_Eevee (EVO), Alarm (Min), Coin (Sulit), Hamster (Gorta), and Stop (CRich) at least saw my reasoning, which was actually very unfortunate, and joined me in voting Heart. At this point I was pretty damn convinced that both Heart and Popcorn were scum, but someone else said that Heart would have an easier time jumping due to low activity and being able to hide themselves better, so I just stayed on the Heart wagon and encouraged people to yeet them. Heart’s kind of wolfy pop in as they were being mega-wagoned and then leaving again didn’t make them look any better, either.
Since I still townlean Min, I really don’t think they followed me in bad faith here. I’m not so sure about EVO because I honestly haven’t given their slot a good look yet, but I’d like to do that overnight.
Shirt thought I was scum, though, and yet they joined on the Heart wagon anyway which I thought was a bit odd as I had started it. We know now that Shirt was town, however, so maybe they just forgot I was the first to vote lol. They did mention mindmelding with me and that I started to look a bit better to them but idk, I think their read on Heart was kind of independent of mine anyway.

@Joy_Heart

eggplant tming me town

@Joy_Heart

this post was brought to you by “look at this when i flip”

Heart said to look back at this when they flipped, so I looked back at it. I’m still not entirely convinced it’s a scumslip because I think Cloned looked townier the day after, but oddly enough I’m not really convinced of that anymore.
Both Cloned and Appel expressed that they thought Heart might be town from wagonomics, but Cloned wanted Cloud out and Appel wanted Popcorn out. We don’t know what Popcorn was, but we know Cloud was town now… which actually doesn’t make Cloned look great, now that I think about it.
I want to read through D2 on Cloned’s slot to get a better feel for it and see if I have second thoughts. I feel like I went through D1 confbiasing myself into thinking he was scum, but having backread the whole of D1 he really didn’t look that bad up until EoD. I’m questioning my reasoning, though, and I think I need to just reevaluate his slot once and for all.

Holy hell that was long and I don’t even know if it was worth it.
Here’s the short version:

I went through the whole of D1 and concluded that Min has always been Alarm and was definitely never Popcorn.
I think Popcorn was probably actually scum and jumped somewhere.
Cloned wasn’t as scummy as I initially thought he was; it’s mostly his reads and votes that I disagreed with, but it could come from a willager as he was not really that bad on D1 except at EoD. I want to reevaluate him again, though.
I think Appel is still a decent townlean based on her D1.
I think Sulit was towny because of her confidence level, but I wouldn’t place a bet on it.
I think Marl/ATN is almost definitely town but I’ll reevaluate again just in case.

I think I covered all my points? Idk I’m exhausted now lol.

[an_gorta_pratai]

@Whysper

[WindwardAway]

Fuck, I didn’t even pay much attention to the slots that have votes on them currently.

Quick thoughts:

• I don’t want Min voted
• Grapes’ slot on D1 did not look great, but Whysper is asleep
• EVO hasn’t come across as tonally wolfy to me
• Uni has basically ceased to exist

I hate all of these options tbh

[WindwardAway]

oh yeah, I definitely suck at mountainous.

[min]

What’s a better option in your eyes?

[min]

holy shit

[min]

you think you do? O_O

[Universal]

Hello!

[CRichard564]

If you were to initiate a CFD right now, who would it be to and why?
As I said before, I’m looking for slots who are coasting in this thread and Uni is the one that sticks out here for that reason.

[clonedcheese]

won’t be available for EoD, have to go right now
uhhhhhhhhh

please delete min please
they were extremely pockety + defensive as alarm
they haven’t really changed as min

bye

[clonedcheese]

speak of the devil

[WindwardAway]

idk, I can’t fucking read anyone in this game
GTH it would be someone on the D1 wagon on Heart. I lead it and the others who were on it according to their revealed slots were:
EVO, Min, Sulit, Gorta, CRich

as I said I’m not voting Min
Sulit is dead lol
one of the others I guess?

[Universal]

Hi cloned!

[WindwardAway]

oh hi Uni

[Universal]

I will say this: Appel stated they parked their vote on me before they voted another player, saying in a joking manner but they haven’t taken their vote off me throughout the day. Alongside this, CRich has also stated they were going to take their vote off me and onto another player and haven’t done it still.

[Universal]

I am more confused on why the two players who stated they would remove their votes from me haven’t done so if their reads on others were grounded compared to me.