Umineko FM - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[astand]

Vote Count

Accused	Voters	Number
Arete	Cattail, Santa, BillNyeTheScienceGuy, Solic	4/10
EliThePsycho	orangeandblack5, Rue, Conduit	3/10
Solic	SirDerpsAlot, Arete, Hippoyeetus	3/10
Santa	PokemonKidRyan	1/10
Hippoyeetus	sulit	1/10
Strawberry_Shortcake	ErikaFurudo	1/10
Not voting	an_gorta_pratai, EliThePsycho, The Occult, Centuries, Strawberry_Shortcake, Wazza	6

[Hippolytus]

@Wazza

snh, I wasn’t claiming Self-Resolving, I claimed Lie Detector and holy that worked and it was stressful but fun.

@Wazza

I’ve never done this.

im not saying you’ve done a self resolving play before, but plenty of people do and I know you are more than capable of it. Like i said it doesnt make you mafia I was just contesting someone who was giving you townie points for it.

Do you think you should get townie points for claiming self resolving?

[Wazza]

@Hippolytus

Do you think you should get townie points for claiming self resolving?

no I just don’t think people should vote me until I literally confirm myself.

I stated that I will be confirmed by D2. And chances are, yes, I will indeed be confirmed by D2 now.

[Wazza]

However.

If I self-resolve or not depends on how competent this Town is.

[Wazza]

And right now, they aren’t looking so good.

[Hippolytus]

If Waz is actually 100% confirmed town D2 I will go into shock because every time someone says this they confirm that they’re a tracker or something lol.

[Wazza]

I am a Tracker

[Wazza]

(((that’s a joke don’t believe it)))

[Arete]

I think this is town

Conduit - newbie who actually has reads and writes substantive posts is >rand V, I had some concerns about the hedginess of some of their reads but those reads were paired with other, non-hedgy reads so I think it’s more likely to be villagery uncertainty. also they were cursed by the NPC

Santa - Cattail claimed a greencheck here, also their treatment of my slot points to them not having TMI on me as I’d expect them to be more cautious about their read were they scum

orange - while I was reading up several of his posts pinged me as distinctively villagery, not going to quote them again because I want to be able to get to sleep

Cattail - emotion earlier seemed genuine in a way that I found villagery, also assuming V!Santa the fake greencheck makes more sense from a town motivation than a scum one (and I don’t think they’d fake a greencheck there as W/W)

>rand town
Rue - felt like I was mindmelding with them a lot as I read up

sulit - flipped out at people in a way that I think she would be unlikely to do as scum, also her posts have more energy than her typical scumgame. n.b.: should be an easy read D2-D3 as her WiM tends to fall off a cliff when she’s scum

Centuries - I’ve gone back and forth on this one a lot because wow does he have some posts that ping me but his explanations for those posts make sense and I think otherwise he’s at least somewhat villagery

Erika - not going to lie this is mostly tone

[shrug emoji]

Gorta
BillNye
Eli
Hippo
Strawberry

kinda wolfy
PKR - the fact that I hate most of his posts isn’t actually AI for him but to the extent they’ve pulled me in either direction they’ve pulled me towards him being scum.

Derps - some of his posts felt like they don’t make sense from the perspective of a villager without TMI, e.g. harddefending Gorta after Gorta made a single post

Solic - see above case

Special cases

Wazza - claims self-resolving, if he doesn’t self-resolve then kill him

Occult - NPC, basically outed W from weird unexplained shot but also … is an NPC …

[ErikaFurudo]

So were you voting seth mostly for his perceived inability to pick up what you’re putting down?

[Wazza]

@Arete

Occult - NPC, basically outed W from weird unexplained shot but also … is an NPC …

NPC? Where are you getting NPC from?

[Arete]

‘NPC’ in FM terms is like, they appear on the playerlist and can do things, but aren’t themselves a player

[Wazza]

Ohh, okay you really confused me.

I don’t like the fact they cursed the newbie tbh though.

[Arete]

anyways I’m going to sleep, see you all an hour before EoD

[an_gorta_pratai]

@orangeandblack5

Wouldn’t be surprised, seems reasonable

@orangeandblack5

maybe

@orangeandblack5

also

to whoever randed Lambdadelta

lmao

@orangeandblack5

also also

to whoever randed Belphegor

fuck you

This opening bothers me

@SirDerpsAlot

Also gut says theirs a lone wolf

Don’t ask why

I don’t know

@orangeandblack5

Wouldn’t be surprised, seems reasonable

@SirDerpsAlot

Nice

@SirDerpsAlot

Is orange softing lw lol

@orangeandblack5

maybe

especially this interaction with Derps. I know it could be a joke. but
I still don’t like it

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@orangeandblack5

Do we know what this means yet

also if it’s antitown bold move doing it when so few people had checked in

@orangeandblack5

oh

trippy

@The Occult

@orangeandblack5

idk if anyone has tried this but

/vote The Occult

@astand

@orangeandblack5

did nobody actually try that

wtf kinda kindergarten is this

This interaction is kind of meh as well. I don’t like the focus on mech bs
so early. Like voting an NPC is obviously -EV for town and I would think
someone like Orange would avoid it

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@orangeandblack5

It wouldn’t be a death event

Also were events in the OP

@orangeandblack5

It’s gold

@orangeandblack5

D1 death events in a 18p would never pass review lmao

@orangeandblack5

That’s

oddly specific

Also are you referring to greed or Greed/Mammon

@orangeandblack5

Dropped in because I hard agree with derps on sulit

@orangeandblack5

cattail can I interest you in some gator sauce

@orangeandblack5

Said I was at a meeting

Still at said meeting

#SolarCar

@orangeandblack5

What’d he quote?

I was just on a call and saw a notification pop up for derps’s post calling her out but had no context on the lead-in to that

@orangeandblack5

Will do

@orangeandblack5

this game had awful timing

also in an abundance of caution I will /unvote

I could see a world where the thing gains power from being voted or something dumb idk

would be an incredibly stupid mechanic to add something that forces us to waste a lynch on it, especially D1

So far what I hate the most is that 40 of their initial posts are just fluff
and no solving whatsoever

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@orangeandblack5

/vote PsychoKang

@orangeandblack5

yes that was totally happening on N0

@orangeandblack5

he did the thing full send

@orangeandblack5

who tf has a scumread that town isn’t catching on to on N0

@orangeandblack5

for all you know it’s N0 only

@orangeandblack5

…and?

@orangeandblack5

no lol

@orangeandblack5

scum modposters exist and are probably honestly about as common

@orangeandblack5

ah

meeeeeeeeehhhhhh kinda sorta but not enough to make me not scumread PK

@orangeandblack5

it actually started earlier but I’m not done catching up yet

basically I find the points you’ve chosen to focus on in your limited thread presence to be downright baffling if you’re town but very easy ones to choose as scum

about 50 posts in orange does make something resembling a read,
which I think is an ok look so far. I think the read is kind of bs for now,
but it’s a read. It does kind of read of shade, but I don’t want to commit to
that until I ISO Eli.

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@orangeandblack5

uh

friend

I’ll claim rn that I am in no way “good” character

@orangeandblack5

flavor? duh

@orangeandblack5

also I’m inclined to believe scum don’t have fakeclaims but who knows

@orangeandblack5

but in general I think you could reasonably work most characters into either alignment?

Why is this even important? Of course flavor is likely non AI, but why even
bring it up?

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@orangeandblack5

wait

seth is in the game???

@orangeandblack5

yeah

has seth???

@orangeandblack5

well is seth town

@orangeandblack5

I don’t scumread Santa I townread them

@orangeandblack5

@Conduit then lol what

also what do you think about sulit

@orangeandblack5

did we ever find this joke I’m curious what it was

@orangeandblack5

also what do you think about sulit

@orangeandblack5

Basic takeaways

feel p good about cattail, rue, derps, centuries, santa, conduit, and maybe bill nye if I squeeze

feel p not good about pkr, sulit, surge, strawberry, and maybe solic

feel actively bad about pk

it’s p late so I’ma go to bed rather than write reasons for all of the above but in particular I will note that it could just be time messing with my view of solic’s play here

@orangeandblack5

I don’t see enough here to outweigh the rest of the things I guess I can pull up before I go to bed

These posts do make me feel slightly better about orange

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@orangeandblack5

I suppose I should also case PK

dang it

Finally! This is what I look for in villagers

@orangeandblack5

okay

counterproposal

everyone go read pk’s iso

and if you walk away townreading him tell me

otherwise just join the wagon

choo choo

gn

I am sad that you didn’t go through with it even if PK just had 50 posts.
I wish you could case that better. I don’t care if PK had 15,20, or 100 posts
I want to see you follow through with your word.

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@orangeandblack5

Would me strangleholding the thread seem to you like something that would be scum AI?

@orangeandblack5

Also I’d argue I haven’t been solving so kinda weird to see this

I do semi like this interaction. It kind of reminds me of how I play, but this
is not something I will clear orange on.

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more posts that I like from orange

@orangeandblack5

I think my main problem with sulit stems from the fact that they are literally doing like the exact same thing they’re accusing Santa of and yet go out of their way to like taunt Santa when the thread response to both slots is different

@orangeandblack5

this post is major red flags and >>>>rand scum fme, especially when it comes before an actual slap back like this

@orangeandblack5

add in the fact that most of their posts are either low-effort pushing on PKR or Santa, who are both easy targets (even if I independently think that PKR’s opener was in fact sus), and I have not liked this slot for a while

they also just kinda tease centuries but make like zero effort to actually read him outside of slapping him in a readslist that is quote “for me not for you”

all in all p likely scum imo

@orangeandblack5

We reach the opposite conclusion on those two

Also why does Santa enforce that exact pairing as tvs

@orangeandblack5

What exactly are you doing to this end?

@orangeandblack5

if you played here now you might be able to avoid the meta accusation if you were to make well made contributions

@orangeandblack5

also re:erika

@orangeandblack5

Seems p similar situation, not surprised they’re leaning the same way

@orangeandblack5

pretty much all of these posts are really good from Santa and show a level of comfort in the thread I don’t necessarily think she’d have as scum, plus the early build-up of v reads is just generally a good sign

@orangeandblack5

next two posts start to branch into scumreads into reasonable takes for the time that also aren’t going with the thread consensus that “pkr bad”

beyond that the way they approach solic is definitely not whatever tf he thinks it was

like

@orangeandblack5

they’re leaving plenty of opportunities to re-evaluate so claims that Santa is writing people off as lockscum too easily really don’t hold water

also

@orangeandblack5

tbh this is almost certainly not true but the thought itself is really mindbending if scum

all in all I think it’s moreso Solic misrepping Santa than the opposite soooooo p townie

@orangeandblack5

I’d prefer hearing your take on santa first

@orangeandblack5

We’ll see

I agree with everyone else that scum!sulit drops off p hard

@orangeandblack5

Oh

I’m not a huge fan of Rue coming back “to direct the thread in a more positive direction” and then just getting Conduit to vote PK and doing literally nothing to defuse any hostilities or direct anything into a more productive direction

@orangeandblack5

I don’t remember you doing anything that wasn’t specifically aimed at Conduit

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Conclusion
I need a break from this, but as for the read. I didn’t like this slot as much at first, but I think they do improve down the line. It’s still a town lean, butI don’t think they are a wolf. For someone like Orange I don’t clear them for just solving and in this case I think the solving is pretty decent and them being busy semi goes with them not making more reads. Then again I haven’t seen many orange scum games, but screw meta. Tonally this slot reads town and they do improve. The only reason that this is a town lean is that I don’t trust my read super well (I am not as good at reading players I don’t have experience with)

[an_gorta_pratai]

When you get back I want you to explain your read on my slot.

[an_gorta_pratai]

Centuries and Derps is up next, but I need to take a break from this thread. That orange ISO took it out of me

[PokemonKidRyan]

I am partially joking around when it comes to that slot because its not like it is a 19th player who I can analyse. But also, it curses others and it is likely piloted by scum as I cannot imagine “The Occult” being a towny NPC who curses others.

[Hippolytus]

/unvote

I iso’d arete and he doesn’t actually look that townie tbh, dunno why I sheeped him onto Solic lol

[Wazza]

they*

Nonetheless, I don’t know either.