Vanilla Townies - Are they still despised?

[Geyde]

@Solic

I will typically not like a game where I can’t participate in any special events. Something like the public healing/hiding that Firekitten did would qualify for me. Something like ITA’s would qualify for me. Without that and especially other people do having those abilities, I’d feel annoyed to roll vanilla town.

Does that give merit to rolemadness then since it gives more buttons to press?

[Emilia]

In What way do you measure objective ”goodnes” of game

[Geyde]

Is it balanced?
Is it fun?

[Emilia]

And you decided to measure it that way yourself?
Fun is subjective thing So you cant measure It that way

[Geyde]

@Emilia

And you decided to measure it yourself?

I can use history and data to measure balance.

@Emilia

Fun is subjective thing So you cant measure It that way

Yes I can.
It’s called history and logic.

[Geyde]

A game where due to mechanics the outed scum can potentially dodge several lynches in a row is not fun due to how it devalues social deduction as a whole, which is the foundation by which mafia thrives

[Solic]

I like pressing buttons even if their impact is meager.

[Emilia]

@Geyde

Yes I can.
It’s called history and logic.

How do you measure objective fun

@Geyde

I can use history and data to measure balance.

Why did you decide that balanced game is objectivly better

[Geyde]

Fair enough

[Icibalus]

because nobody likes losing a game based on bullshit coincidences?

[Geyde]

@Emilia

Why did you decide that balanced game is objectivly better

I never decided that.
That’s why I put them both in the same post.

Fun/Balance are equal weighting in terms of importance

[Emilia]

So if there was setup like that And everyone found it Good you would still say Its objectivly bad

[Geyde]

I’d say the setup was terrible, the players made it fun.

[Emilia]

@Geyde

I never decided that.
That’s why I put them both in the same post.

So Who decided How you measure game objectivly

@Geyde

Fun/Balance are equal weighting in terms of importance

Yes
Who decided this

Again how do you measure fun

And you cant purely objectivly measure balance since big amount depends on players when you go by win/lose count

[Emilia]

Everyone else said Its not terrible And Good Why is your opinion better

[Geyde]

@Emilia

Yes
Who decided this

That is the fundamental of a game.
A game is fun, but should be balanced as to not disturb the fun by unnecessary randomness that devalues the accomplishments of the individual.

@Emilia

So Who decided How you measure game objectivly

Your question was completely weighted toward me giving that answer. The act of asking me ‘why did you decide that balanced games are objectively better’ was inherently false because I never mentioned that beforehand. I put fun/balance on the same pedestal, so by divorcing balance from fun factor you completely miss the point of what I’m saying.

@Emilia

And you cant purely objectivly measure balance since big amount depends on players when you go by win/lose count

We can sure as hell try, and we do.
That’s why we don’t have many setups where 50% of the players at SoG are anti-town.

[Geyde]

@Emilia

Everyone else said Its not terrible And Good Why is your opinion better

We are reaching hypotheticals, and it’s a given fact that having the game taken out of someone’s hands despite their accomplishments is not enjoyable. It may be fun to some but it completely devalues their effort.

If people found that fun then good for them.

I can’t in good faith see that as fun

[Emilia]

@Geyde

That is the fundamental of a game.
A game is fun, but should be balanced as to not disturb the fun by unnecessary randomness that devalues the accomplishments of the individual

So that is decided by you ot someone else Who said that right

@Geyde

Your question was completely weighted toward me giving that answer. The act of asking me ‘why did you decide that balanced games are objectively better’ was inherently false because I never mentioned that beforehand. I put fun/balance on the same pedestal, so by divorcing balance from fun factor you completely miss the point of what I’m saying.

No I asked How do you objectivly decide What is better And you gave me balance/fun

Balance doesnt have To be part of Good game And fun is subjective

[Emilia]

@Geyde

We are reaching hypotheticals, and it’s a given fact that having the game taken out of someone’s hands despite their accomplishments is not enjoyable. It may be fun to some but it completely devalues their effort.

If people found that fun then good for them.

I can’t in good faith see that as fun

So because by some some measures you decided to yourself you can say that your opinion is better that someone else’s opinion

[Geyde]

@Emilia

No I asked How do you objectivly decide What is better And you gave me balance/fun

And your question divorced fun from the equation therefore it misrepresents my stated opinion, ergo I will not answer it.

@Emilia

So that is decided by you ot someone else Who said that right

Do you enjoy putting in hours of effort just to lose to someone else who got more lucky? Is that legitimately interesting to you?
I know that you are trying to win this hypothetical game but the truth of the matter is that being taken advantage of is frustrating. It hurts people. And that’s what an unbalanced game can do to people.