[VFM] A Hat in Time Cop13er - Town Wins!

[Ruri]

Pushing me for no access to the site is a very poor reason, and maybe an attempt to look TWTBAW. In Marl’s wolf game, he tried to derp the setup.

[Alice]

@Ruri

W!Marl tried to pocket me. Could be trying the opposite now.

W!Marl’s basically a wet noodle while here’s kind of the opposite now lol.

I think he’s just villaging.

[Chloe]

@Ruri

Pushing me for no access to the site is a very poor reason

I agree with this fwiw

I think it’s entirely NAI and reading into it as anything more is a huge stretch

it isnt necessarily wolfy of marl tho
just false

[Alice]

FTR, Marl in Deck Mafia shot me right when I was catching up to him lol.

[Alice]

Oh, and @Marluxion 's a jerk for n1’ing me in Ciconia and dayvigging me SoD2 in Deck Mafia III in roughly the same day.

[Chloe]

you’re too powerful

[Alice]

/vote Wazza

[Ruri]

I looked through Psyx’s ISO, and am unsure about them.

Asked questions but didn’t attempt to make any reads out of the interactions. Most of the questions and answers were basic and doesn’t seem to push their thoughts either way. Busy work.

Not villagery to me, but it could be playstyle.

[Chloe]

I hate Centuries’ talk surrounding mech yesterDay

Feels fishy, and especially not great considering his early posts about how to drop cover properly

[Ruri]

What do you think of this now BTW? Doesn’t it seem like wet-noodle, according to you?

[Ruri]

I’m mostly skipping to random points in the thread. Anyone know how to pull up specific ISOs?

[Alice]

Yeah, now he’s far better.

[Alice]

Click profile and then X posts in topic.

[Ruri]

I mean, how to take all those ISOs out? Can’t find Wazza’s post to click.

[Alice]

Click the frequent posters section at the top.

[Marluxion]

game is still going dont talk about it

[Alice]

Completed: Deck Mafia #003: The World is Upside Down - Page 51

[Psyx]

@Cream

Zone/Wazza could have just went along with me when I initially felt like lili was in her scum meta. I think the fact that he pushed back and called her obv!town feels like it’s coming from a town angle to seriously solve and evaluate lili.

I disagree. In a wolf!ZoneWazza & town!Lili scenario, pushing Lili would have very likely made her “bleed town” (which you and I, and probably other people catch on) and make his effort useless if his intention was a Lili lynch. Now that I reread that part of the discussion, Lili was just talking to Zone and not attacking him; if he pushes her, it might backfire and make her tunnel him in retaliation instead. The only benefit in pushing her would be if he paused right when she’s bleeding and say he just wanted to make sure of her alignment and maybe pocket/towncred for it.

He never did say why he thought she was obv!town, right? What if it was just TMI?

@Wazza

And why don’t you? There’s been over 1k posts, you’re a top poster contributing 10% of the thread. Surely you must have some sort of scumlean right now, some sort of scumread, anything will do. It doesn’t matter how confident you are on it, the fact of the matter is that I’ve noticed barely any thoughts about any scummy players coming from you. Surely you must have someone you would want dead, otherwise in the event you’re heavily pushed on, who are you pushing on to save yourself? Who would you want dead instead of you?

When I gave Chloe that townlean, it was because I thought her questions/the intent behind them were pretty good, but reading D1 I don’t think she ever shared any notable results from her questioning/analysis.

She said this:

@Chloe

I feel I made it pretty clear I wouldn’t be putting a ton of effort into this game, but I really do feel like the world we live in is the easy one. I have no reason to think otherwise atm

I can’t do much when I’m still waiting on 3 (4 if we include Wazza) of the PoE slots to do anything and I’m also fairly comfortable with where I’m at in terms of townreads

It’s kinda just a waiting game atm and it sucks

And I don’t know whether I should give her the benefit of the doubt or not.

@LiLi041

why would mafia without great meta of me arguing for pages with others TR me

TMI? Wanting to pocket you? Ego/wanting to prove that he’s right about you? (in a wolf!Centuries & town!Lili scenario)

@Silviu200530

I agree with this, because being wrong doesn’t meant mafia unless you can see the intentions for it.

Vulgard said something along these lines, didn’t he? Something that sounded like an excuse for having bad reads. I think @Chloe sussed him for that.

@Alice

Honestly, you have a pretty good point irt Marl doing this.

I kinda just feel excessively pissed at him to the point that I’m having trouble TR’ing him in any capacity, so yeah.

Saying this means you’re aware that your emotions might be affecting your reads, right? Have you re-evaluated or nah?

@Silviu200530

Why would Appel’s posts support the scum Silviu theory though

what is this

@Centuries

V Appel Lili Alice Cream Psyx Marl Wazza Pigeon Chloe
W Ruri Silviu

like i think cream/psyx probably has a wolf and its too much effort for me to resolve atp

i think we flip 2+ wolves if we just kill all of ruri silviu psyx

boxed out

Do you actually have reasons for wanting me dead or is this just you not wanting to admit that you’re basically OMGUS-ing me?

I see what you’re doing FYI. You’re dismissing all my sus points against you with “this is all IIOA”, “I don’t care about your slot”, “wordsalad.txt” and saying “cop just waste a check on Psyx and let’s move on”. How in the world are people townleaning you like wtf

@Centuries

You’re so cool marl with your random tunnels on semi competent players

Pot, meet kettle

@Marluxion

Also on Zone, i said it earlier

whenever he gets into his own little world and is more obsessed with making waves rather than pushing an agenda he is almost always town

he had built this universe in which everyone was in a town core that scumread him and he didn’t want to be any part of it so he voted alice in protest to this fabrication from his imagination

That’s a legit interpretation if Marl is town. It doesn’t make sense otherwise for wolf!Zone not to accept Marl’s offer/defense to get himself out of the hot water and maybe even drag Marl down with him. I don’t like how Wazza has been hyper-focused on Chloe the entire time, but for now I’ll bump her to townlean (t/t with Marl) and see if she does anything more scummy.

@Marluxion

Most experienced players i dont have a strict meta usually but you’re like 1 to 1 with how i would read Esooa

You don’t really engage with people that much in depth and play more hit and run style as a wolf unless you are directly engaged

like you throw out takes that are shallow like “Silviu looks pretty wolfy from this, tbfh.”

but when you’re town your worldbuilding is a lot stronger and you engage with people more because you aren’t afraid of the repercussions of fucking up and saying something wolfy

also just like Esooa usually when you’re a wolf you care way more about how people read you so you can gloat after a game is over when they’re wrong (which is exactly what you’re doing here but you’re the cop so i dont have anything to worry about, right)

Townlean. I like it when people give concrete examples and say “I think you’re this alignment because in this game and in this alignment, you did this because this”. This post has weight (evidence), and Marl paraphrasing/giving his own description of Alice’s style means he’s paying attention and is actually giving proper thought into Alice’s alignment. This looks genuine solving to me.

…unless he’s already posted something like this before and is just copy-pasting his own words, in which case I retract the townie points (can anyone confirm?).

@Silviu200530

Listen here you, wiseacre.

I said multiple times that I couldn’t play the game because I happen to forget about it and gone to sleep and I’m also continuing to backread. Alice, I completely understand you but I don’t like how you refuse to understand me.

How many times are you going to repeat this? You’re using it as an excuse to not to do anything at this point.

@Appelsiini

It’s not that I don’t understand the notion
It’s just that I don’t agree with it, and that’s why it’s giving me bad vibes nonstop

Either way, this read will resolve itself as the game progresses so I’d rather spend my time sorting out my thoughts on nullslots and those I’m currently pushing

I like this post. Assessing how to spend one’s time/effort wisely is more of a townie mindset, while wolves are more likely to just waste their time dragging their feet and trying their best to look busy without having anything to show up for it.

@Silviu200530

Alice, are you going to death tunnel somebody and you’d be shocked to realize they townie and then didn’t think of anymore targets because the mafia killed ya?

@Silviu200530

Oof, hold on, real life affairs awaits me again, sorry guys. I’ll read that guy I promised to read, see you.

Is this TMI that Alice is town? And right after posting it he quickly leaves the thread lmaooo

@Marluxion

Regardless of Silviu’s alignment I’m still pretty certain there is a wolf in Chloeroy

Is this just a gut feeling or did you notice any signs?

@Vulgard

I really like the fact LiLi didn’t use Zone leaving the game as a justification to not do anything; instead, she simply moved on to evaluating other slots and it felt very natural. She merely acknowledged Zone leaving and her sadness over it, but didn’t make it an excuse to not do anything. She didn’t keep talking about Zone’s slot like a hyperfixated wolf who doesn’t consider themselves capable of fabricating reads on slots they don’t have meta on.

Could’ve also been because Cream and I would have called her out on it. Lissi is more solve-y than what she’s done so far, and the times she didn’t do that I straight-up told her she was in her scum/non-town meta.

@Silviu200530

Them writing their ideologies helps with reading into them, I mean I literally do this aswell sometimes. But I get the feeling that instead of focusing on micro-reading some posts, you need to look at the entire picture~ so far, I see Cent is trying to help people instead of doing reads which is exactly the same mentality I have.

By “them writing their ideologies helps with reading into them”, who are you referring to by ‘them’? Centuries, all players, or ??

“Cent is trying to help people instead of doings reads which is exactly the same mentality I have” …and? If your conclusion is that you two are doing the same exact thing, what does that mean for your read on Centuries…?

@Silviu200530

Openers can actually help identify a wolf, but I’d see why he’d believe that and doesn’t look like he’s trying to drift anything off.

If you believe so then why haven’t you checked everyone’s openers and analyzed them…?

@Silviu200530

Now he looks very townie into the beginning because he’s laying the foundation onto himself, now I need to figure out what the hell happened with him expressing his thoughts on anything to “I don’t care”

@Cream

Appel, I also forgot to add that you voting Lili to pressure her with Zone, but then immediately switching your vote to Zone feels like it’s coming from town with a lack of agenda. I can’t really think of any strong scummy intent behind that action, except maybe to appear solve-y. I do overall think that that sort of behavior comes more often from town than scum so I guess you are more town than not town.

I agree with this. It’s one of the things I liked about her posts, which is why I’m ok with bumping her into my townleans.

@Silviu200530

And… why do you think this way? I feel it’s pretty contradictory somebody seeing that when I’m literally comparing myself to the said debate enemy

That’s because your wallpost was contradictory. You were basically just “yeah, I agree” and “yeah, I do this too” and you only started disagreeing with his posts that sussed you. From what I see your whole post could’ve been summed up with 5 letters: OMGUS. Your only sus point against Centuries was that he didn’t change his mind in voting you after you asked him to. That’s it.

(You even mentioned you were going to read my wallpost on him; what happened to that?)

You also say these:

@Silviu200530

Psyx, I’m really thinking that Cent being very understanding at the beginning and then being very harsh and superficial about 0-posters at the moments looks very very bad, do you think this could come from town.

I’m starting to think that I’m just impulsively voting them because of a mindset they have rather than an agenda they’re pulling.

@Silviu200530

Yo, why are ya scumreading centuries

which meant you were having doubts on your sus against him (and maybe getting me and Cream to reconsider?)

I can see the whole Silviu & Centuries thing being a whole load of scum theatre.

@Marluxion

Silviu is town and his wagon is trash

Weren’t you questioning him earlier? Why do you think he’s town?

@Chloe

i don’t understand half of what silviu is saying but i townread it anyways

wowee

Can you explain why?

@Appelsiini

Cream/Psyx are both people I haven’t really talked to, apart from when I pinged Cream to see if their earlier questioning went anywhere. ‘I’m conflicted on your slot but you’re more towny than not’ is a lame answer, but none of their posting has given me wolfy pings so far

I briefly skimmed Psyx’s catch-up posts when we were both online, but both of these slots have completely gone over my head and I’d like to talk to them at some point

Hey, anything you wanna ask me, or thoughts about my posts (most notably my case against Centuries)? I haven’t been able to focus on you that much either, but so far I like your posts and haven’t seen anything that pinged my sus radar.

@Centuries

ok i read through the entirety of psyx / silviu’s isos of me and despite having made a complete response to both of those i just realized that you guys literally just ISO’d me in a super iioa way where you literally aren’t even looking to solve my alignment which is a real :^) moment

Excuse me, when did you make a complete response to my wallpost? I’m “literally not even looking to solve your alignment” wtf???

@LiLi041

I’m hereeeee

Lili, have you responded to any of my posts to you yet?

@LiLi041

Ruri seemed kinda clueless when she came into the thread ngl

Like didn’t really know much of the game state or anything

I think that’s towny
Mafia would probably check scumchat first

or at least I would in her position I think

What’s with this read. I mean, of course she’s going to be clueless; she just arrived? Being clueless is literally the super easiest thing to fake as a wolf?

Lis, have your solving skills regressed to this point?

@Cream

So looking back on it, all I can say is that you started the slap fight that descended into some massive back-and-forth quote wall argument.

Psyx started with her readlist:

@Psyx

• Centuries - scumlean; he changes his reads at the drop of a hat, but the actual reads can’t keep up (ie he seems confident this time, but then he changes his read, and I’m left wondering if the “new info” is enough for him to discard his previous read). His explanations/posts seem hedge-y too, like in this post where he seems to be calling Vulg not wolf and wolf at the same time (even though it’s supposed to be a TWTBAW read). It doesn’t help that most his paragraphs don’t have periods which makes it hard to follow his train of thought. Sus vibes.

But then you picked it apart, and I think that was the point where she bothered to make that giant ISO wall on you.

Reading her post on you, I disagree that it’s IIOA. All the points are there to support her original read on you. She had already done the analysis in her readlist. She’s just providing supporting points. I think that’s potentially where you might be getting the IIOA vibes from.

Anyways, I still think she’s town.

What do you think about my sus points against him tho?

@LiLi041

why’s Centuries being voted

is it for sounding super antagonistic when he came back today

Can you read my wallpost on him here and my read on him here and tell me what you think?

@Centuries

If you think Psyx’s quotewall is written in a way that can make me obvtown myself then lol

what do you mean

[Alice]

@Psyx

Saying this means you’re aware that your emotions might be affecting your reads, right? Have you re-evaluated or nah?

I’m in the Marl’s obvtown camp rn.

[Ruri]

Won already~