[VFM] Elf Gold Rush - Game Over. Humans Win!

Oh yeah, cloned also never mentioned City and his only interaction with Nuclear seemed TMI-ish on them being V. So if cloned is a wolf, Squirrel is definitely just a PR.

if you think cloned might be a villager, do you think any of his reads have merit to them?
I mean heā€™s been scumreading me for days and youā€™ve been townreading me for days so I donā€™t really know how that works out

Already went over this read being really bad.

Yeah.

I actually really dislike how quickly min reaches the bolded conclusion. It doesnā€™t feel like there was any thought given to it. Both flipped V, so wolf!min never had a reason to care. Could explain the lack of visible thought.

This is okay.

But this is really bad, like I said before. The language min uses implies these are all villagers. Which they are, but thatā€™s the exact problem. Itā€™s a weird language choice for someone with no TMI. Itā€™s the language choice of someone who knows these people are villagers. Itā€™s implicitly assuming two things: that pigeon is LHF and that the ā€œconsensusā€ is wrong. For all min knows, cloned could be right, except for his read on min, soā€¦ Why not even entertain that?

I donā€™t think min has given this slot any thought beyond that statement.

Min is still harping on this idea that the consensus is incorrect. They never provide a reason why itā€™s incorrect. Sure, they townread Leafia, thatā€™s fine, but I think itā€™s still weird. I donā€™t know. The Leafia townread beforehand that min defended actually makes this look less egregious, but still. It looks like min is chainsawing cloned.

This is a weird consideration for someone who townread Leafia super early, and against consensus to boot.

Thatā€™s true! I think the comment itself is NAI, though.

I think this is a villagery thought. I also think I said this before.

Eh, Iā€™m starting to think min is implying a weird townread here. Still wouldā€™ve preferred to see it outright stated, but.

These posts donā€™t unalign these two. But at least they interacted. Thatā€™s more than I can say for peopleā€™s treatment of City. This is the third ISO Iā€™m reading, and only one had any semblance of acknowledging City was in this game.

This is randomly shading me for no reason. Maybe because I pushed on them earlier? Interesting how they donā€™t vote me there. Iā€™m probably oversensitive to this because itā€™s my wagon, but still.

I dislike the narrow focus. There should be a wider focus at this point, instead of this one wolfread.

Speaking of which.
But Iā€™mā€¦ confused by the later posting. Min calls January a wolf and then doesnā€™t say anything about it. I think it was a joke?

Ah, yes, the fabled City interaction.

Acknowledging Zone! Finally, someone does it!

Oh, so now min thinks cloned couldā€™ve been bussing, but only one partner. I actually think this is villagery. This shows that min genuinely thought about it for a while. Wolf!min could write this off as an incorrect push and keep shoving the same points, that itā€™s nonsensical and potentially agenda. I even agree that itā€™s a really bad push, but minā€™s thinking about it.

Itā€™s one of the rare cases of genuine thought I see in this ISO this far. But they are there.

This post is really weird. Itā€™s like theyā€™re contemplating scumreading me for fun, not because of an actual read.

Their treatment of my slot is weird in general. They argue with me when I question their Leafia read, then they kinda skirt around talking to me. I donā€™t think Iā€™m qualified to figure out if itā€™s wolfy, though. Itā€™s my slot. Maybe thatā€™s exactly why I could figure it out, but. Eh.

Iā€™ll be honest - I donā€™t even remember what minā€™s talking about. But to their credit, this doesnā€™t look made up.

Given this, min voting Marl two days later looks bad, but they were saving themselves, so.

This is better.

I meanā€¦ sure?

This is min noticing the dreadful post January wrote about killing Windward tomorrow if Silviuā€™s town. Min noticing it right away and appropriately responding is a very good look for min.

I forgot I called this villagery as a snap reaction. Past me was an idiot. Min even argued with me on it, thatā€™s a very good look.

Why did I defend him?

Why did I convince min to listen to me? Now I feel like Iā€™m dumb. Iā€™m reading back and I agree with what minā€™s doing here.

I donā€™t mind them listening to me here because they said in between the posts I quoted that they were turning around on my slot. They were considering that they were scumreading me because of OMGUS and nothing more.

Same.

This waffling is kinda villagery. I read the first post and I was like ā€œyou just listened to what I said about January,ā€ but then minā€™s like ā€œmaybe notā€ so Iā€™m like ā€œokay, thatā€™s fine.ā€

But thereā€™s still a problem. Minā€™s considering voting Leafia here and I donā€™t see where their Leafia read changed. Why suddenly consider voting Leafia? I mean, I know you also townread people like Marl, but.

ā€¦Interesting?

Interesting.
I donā€™t recall min ever pushing Windward for pushing the Silviu/Whysper yeet. I guess min has changed their mind since then?

Min still thinking about it is villagery, I think. And by thinking about it, I mean coming up with different theories. I donā€™t think a wolf would bother here. They are already voting a town.

I think this end of day is very villagery. The emotion feels real. Caveat being that Iā€™ve miscleared wolves on emotion before.

Overall, minā€™s day 1 is actually not as bad as I remember. Thereā€™s plenty of questionable stuff early on, but what they do later is perfectly fine. In places, itā€™s also pretty villagery. Highlights include continuously coming back to what cloned said and analyzing it from different perspectives. They also include an emotionally charged end of day, where several townreads of theirs got wagoned.

I think min actually has more going for them than cloned does, and cloned has more going for him than January does. And January isnā€™t aligned with cloned.

Iā€™m starting to become partial to wolfteams with January/Zone/City.

His push on you is one of the main things giving me pause. It feels like heā€™s incessantly tunneling you because thatā€™s the wolf wincon. But then again, why wonā€™t he push me? Iā€™m a much easier misyeet here. People are paranoid of my wolfgame. I never thought Iā€™d say that, actually, that makes me feel funny.

Looking at it independently, I would actually say itā€™s min>cloned>January in order from villageriest to wolfiest. Which is funny, because I expected the polar opposite going in.

Itā€™s really messing up my worlds, though.

Like, if Iā€™m wrong on Windward and Windward just played a hell of a game, then Iā€™m a clown for letting this happen again after Marshal in RWBY.

If Windwardā€™s actually mafia with, like, City, then Iā€™m actually abysmal at this game.

She keeps talking about how Iā€™m pocketing her, but I donā€™t feel like Iā€™ve ever done that?

if i were actually mafia in this game it wouldnā€™t make me so miserable lol

If anything, I feel like Iā€™m trusting you too much.

well, you shouldnā€™t be trusting my reads at the very least because theyā€™ve actually been awful

But youā€™re the only other person solving the game and looking at it holistically, except maybe Squirrel. Everyone else is just pushing a preestablished agenda, I said this before. I donā€™t feel like I have anyone else to interact with when nobody will budge or build consensus.

I tried to talk to other people today and I donā€™t feel like I accomplished anything with it. We donā€™t even have a voting order for tomorrow. I feel like whichever villager is pushing their agenda is going to snapvote and weā€™re gonna lose the game because Iā€™m not communicating well enough.

well, same here, itā€™s mostly just been us solving in the thread and quite honestly, if youā€™re a wolf and itā€™s literally all town thatā€™s not solving, itā€™s pretty disappointing.

Youā€™re the literal only person whoā€™s really engaged with my content, and Iā€™ve been trying to engage with yours. If youā€™re a wolf, Iā€™m going to be crushed. For similar reasons you just said, but also because it means your wolfrange is massively larger than Iā€™ve ever expected.

I guess Zone acknowledged my content sometimes, but other times heā€™s been off in his own dimension.

If my wolfrange were this large Iā€™d be the D1 yeet in every single game after this lol
Iā€™m just town here, though, so as much as Iā€™d like to improve my wolfgame itā€™s not gonna be this time

You have 1322 posts and youā€™re not spamming oneliners like Atlas! That would be one of the best wolfgames in this siteā€™s history.

Yeah, youā€™re like, 99% town here, Iā€™m pretty sure.

The 1% is just me not wanting to say 100.