[VFM] Elf Gold Rush - Game Over. Humans Win!

[WindwardAway]

Nuclear uses she/her pronouns fyi

[WindwardAway]

I do see what you’re saying about her, though. She’s just at a null for me right now because I haven’t seen her give solid takes yet. It’s not that I expect her to necessarily, but I can’t really get a read on her until I can follow her thought process.

And in the last game I was in with her she was LW, which imo would actually resemble her town meta more than her wolf meta. She didn’t find the wolf team until pretty late in the game, if at all, iirc.

[City]

@Vulgard

His lack of interest in the game is concerning, considering that was how he approached the game as W in the last game I played with him. And by that I mean, he posted, but didn’t really do anything of note.

I agree with this

[Silviu200530]

Unintentionally.

[WindwardAway]

Not sure I understand what you mean

[City]

“Wolves attract attention to themselves despite trying not to”

[WindwardAway]

Yeah but this was on the topic of January
There’s no way he was just unintentionally drawing attention to himself

[City]

I agree

[Marluxion]

@Vulgard

but the way she backed off from that without much prompting (if at all) and started reconsidering felt somewhat organic.

i mean
she just called it a reaction test

the last time she did that it was in a botc where she was scum
to this day i’ve never seen v!leafia actually try to reaction test someone

[Marluxion]

then again it doesn’t help leafia is like
always a wolf

[Nightingale]

Vote Count

Vote Target	Voted By	Votes
clonedcheese	min, January	2/8
January	Clownzu, clonedcheese	2/8
Vulgard	Marluxion, Cty	2/8
Leafia	EliThePsycho	1/8
thepigeonnyc	Leafia	1/8
Zone_Q11	Aelin	1/8
Clownzu	Zone_Q11	1/8
Nuclear_Rehab	Vulgard	1/8
Not Voting	Silviu200530, Nuclear_Rehab, thepigeonnyc, WindwardAway	4

[WindwardAway]

@Marluxion

i mean
she just called it a reaction test

She even said she expected us to call her a wolf for doing that lmao

@Marluxion

then again it doesn’t help leafia is like
always a wolf

I haven’t been in any recent games with her where she was town. I know I was in one at some point, though.

[Zone_Q11]

@Clownzu

@Zone_Q11

You never stated that it was a vote of pressure. You simply kept saying you are confused, and I think that is just the perfect cover for a scum to wagon January.

Yes I did.

@Clownzu

I feel more inclined to vote you, I wouldn’t say kill you but I’d rather get answers this way by threatening you with death

…oof. Alright, I was wrong.
I didn’t think that was the argument.

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@Clownzu

@Zone_Q11

The alt thing is something which I understand would make you confused.

However, you never explained the “push on Eli seems to be scummy” part, and just said “their earlier posts feel weird”. How come you didn’t notice it then, but you do now?

Additionally, wouldn’t it be very bold of January to push Eli (followed by Aelin, and recently cloned) this hard as scum?

From what I see, January has very bad arguments to scumread people, but I don’t think anyone he pushed is instantly lock!town.

Zone_Q11, it’s almost like players post more in the time being between my posts and my future posts. I don’t believe Eli is Town, I can’t say I have any exact thoughts on him, but I also can say that I believe Zone_Q11 to show up as Mafia before he does.

(You can just call me Zone.)

So you…

• dodged the first question by mentioning the differing timezone & availability,
• dodged the notion of why I think January is town entirely,
• gave your null read on Eli as a reply to my thoughts about the people January pushed, and
• outright say you scumread me as if you were not talking to Zone_Q11, without any explanations whatsoever as to why you scumread me.

Did I miss anything?
(Postscript: I no longer scumread you, but I believe I should put this in nonetheless as it irked me a little bit as to how you dodged my questions.)

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@Clownzu

@Zone_Q11

And what exactly is the question you have been asking him? Please don’t tell me it is “Are you scum/mafia?”

Like I said, I’ve not asked a question. I’ve just placed my vote to see his reaction to it, his reaction was mostly subservant and correcting me on how to vote.

@Clownzu

@Zone_Q11

I understand people can change their minds. That doesn’t make you all of the sudden lock!town, and especially not if I don’t see any posts where you changed your mind about January.

All I see was an apology for not being present, and you saying you were confused. There was nothing in that post that says: “I no longer think I should vote January.”

But I do think I should vote January still, I never said I didn’t. If I didn’t want to vote him, I’d unvote. Surely you can clearly see that.

@Clownzu

And no, I’m not trying to void my reason to vote January, otherwise I wouldn’t keep voting him now, if I wanted to avoid it, I’d just unvote and pretend it never happened, but I’m not doing that.

…alright, fair enough. I thought you had plans to unvote January as soon as the hype died, but seeing as that didn’t happen, I suppose I misread your actions.

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@Clownzu

@Zone_Q11

(I am fairly certain you never mentioned the main point of your vote…)

The origin of my scumread on you is when you hopped on to Aelin’s wagon with no particular reason other than “January’s posts feel weird” (and the alt thing, but let’s drop that).

My point is that it feels as if you are trying to void your reason to vote January; it looks as if you made a mistake in voting him, thinking he was a LHF, and when nobody else jumped in, you wanted to get out or lay low by using confusion as your shield.

If I didn’t, then that’s my bad but I could’ve sworn I did

@Clownzu

I’m voting here, their posts earlier feel weird to me especially with the alt thing

Yes, this, is this not enough or do I need to expand upon it?

This sounds hypocritical from someone who said we don’t need to write entire paragraphs to explain our motives, but yes: A little expansion on your motive to vote would have been more preferrable than “their earlier posts feel weird”.

You already did in your recent post, so I won’t ask you to repeat it again unless you want to.

[Silviu200530]

Ooooo, tension

[Nuclear_Rehab]

Yeah I didn’t just spend 200 posts in a phase screaming about a bad poe as mafia lmao

If you want to see the only town game I’ve played the last 2 years, I posted probably around 30 times and got mislynched d1

[Zone_Q11]

@Clownzu

@Silviu200530

Too wolf to be a wolf?

I’m assuming wolf here means Mafia, I’d like to say that I don’t believe this is a sort of thing, if someone seems like a member of the Mafia, you’re going to kill them anyway, just because they seem too deep into being Mafia that they may be Town, Mafia can also be too deep that they’re Mafia and they are actually Mafia. I don’t think this sort of thing is a thing.

(Yes; Scum = Non-Town = Wolf = Mafia.)

Rather than being too deep, it’s more like they are (acting) too dumb. It’s just a matter of experience; there are people whose alignment you just know once you compare their behavior with their past games.

I don’t exactly trust January’s meta since it’s only 2 games long, but from what I heard, it does sound like someone else I know who spamtalks a TON as town, whereas being timid / more reserved as mafia.

I would have to see his scumgame just to be sure, but TWTBAW is pretty much the reason why I currently townlean / gutread town January despite his obvious flawed reasoning.

[Nuclear_Rehab]

Sorry if my tone is a bit mean, my mother instead of a rational human being, decided to make a big deal over my personal sink/toilet not being clean enough, took me about one minute to clean them. Instead of asking me to do the work or spending the one minute of work to do it, she complains to my abusive step dad who decided to ruin my morning and day.

Sometimes I think the bitch wants me to feel bad, or she lacks any intelligence idk.

[Silviu200530]

Here’s my digital hug

[min]

Uh- well- I’m sorry?

[WindwardAway]

: (
Well, I hope the rest of the day is at least somewhat better.