[VFM] Elf Gold Rush - Game Over. Humans Win!

[Marluxion]

whysper is just
the play
today
imo at least

[WindwardAway]

@Zone_Q11

@WindwardAway

I feel like there is actually wagon resistance. Hence I said I thought wolves wanted to steer attention toward pigeon instead; that read is mostly related to the wagonomics surrounding Silviu/Whysper. If Whysper is a mafia goon I could see her scum partners risking the possibility that she gets voted out, without hard pushing a counterwagon but just sort of suggesting the existence of one. Not sure if you get what i mean, but I can clarify further if you want.

No. I get what you mean. However, this thought process also removes any other suspects from gaining traction. Because anyone who gets voted would just become an excuse for you to say that there is a resistance on Whysper.

You are essentially forcing Whysper to die toDay.

that’s true, but I want Whysper to die toDay because I think she’s a wolf and I scumread her more than any other slots in the game. As I said before, I vote where my confidence is highest. If something happens to change my confidence levels, maybe I’d reconsider, but so far nothing has.

[clonedcheese]

@Zone_Q11

Do you honestly think that resolving Marl is a higher priority than resolving Whysper?

yes
since

@Zone_Q11

if Marl is scum, then we are getting wrecked pretty soon

[WindwardAway]

but if Marl is town?

[clonedcheese]

I go cry in a corner

[Zone_Q11]

Okay, Whysper is going to die toDay. This is just a given; I highly doubt that there is anything that prevents this from happening.

However, I’d like to ask you to not attack any other wagons that may show up toDay. No matter what they say or do, they are in the minority; the majority agrees that Whysper should die.

[Zone_Q11]

Eh… fair enough.

[EliThePsycho]

i read mostly everything and comprehended nothing

[Nuclear_Rehab]

Eli is being so different as well

makes me wonder

[Zone_Q11]

Did you read or did you skim?
Did you try to comprehend, or did you simply not want to see the 420 new posts that were made since you left, from your home screen?

[Nuclear_Rehab]

Like I’d throw Eli into the Clown/Silvui/Marl group

kill any of em

[EliThePsycho]

good question

[thepigeonnyc]

@Arete @Nightingale Can we get a VC?

[Clownzu]

@Zone_Q11

Have you read the reasons why people are suspecting him in the first place?

I haven’t actually seen any if I’m honest, I must have missed them.

@Zone_Q11

But do you townread him or scumread him?

I still think he’ll flip as Mafia more than Town.

@Zone_Q11

FTR, you do realize that Silviu got subbed by Whysper, right? Speaking of which, did you read why Windward is pushing for Silviu/Whysper a lot?

Oh, I had no idea.

Whysper isn’t exactly someone I trust if I do add, I completely forgot about them since I was reading the top post for the people.

@Zone_Q11

I have a bad memory. Which aggressive outburst are you exactly speaking about?

When she interacted with January, it really felt like a frustrated Town more than anything.

@Zone_Q11

… @Clownzu, that is in no way a proper reason to townread Windward. Anyone can talk shit at January, but it says nothing -absolutely nothing- about their alignment.

This is incorrect, otherwise you can use this reasoning for anything in this type of game, emotions aren’t something that are hidden when a person is Mafia, I know that, but there’s also a clear fuse that would trigger someone who is Mafia, this does not feel like that, you can use this reasoning for anything though such as saying that Town and Mafia can just say the same thing, but that would ruin the entire point of the game.

[Clownzu]

I fail to see how you can’t answer that question.

[EliThePsycho]

let me add a part
“but probably skimmed tbh, memory bad tho”

[Zone_Q11]

@Clownzu

@Zone_Q11

Have you read the reasons why people are suspecting him in the first place?

I haven’t actually seen any if I’m honest, I must have missed them.

Sigh. Read these:

Quick summary

@min

I’ve been voting cloned for a while based off of him not only pushing like, blatantly easy pushes (not only on d1 but also d2) but said pushes have weird reasoning or is only based off of preflipping

@Zone_Q11

IIRC cloned is currently voting Marl, whom I don’t see as “a blatantly easy push”. Is there no other reason for you to vote him?

@min

Is he? I honestly havent been paying attention. Now it just looks like hes been throwing shade lol.

@min

If you townread him u can tell me why

@Zone_Q11

I am not townreading nor scumreading cloned.

I see some reasons as to why people might scumread cloned (i.e. early scumread D1, quick scumread on Whysper), but I don’t agree with them. (At least, not those two.)

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@Clownzu

@Zone_Q11

But do you townread him or scumread him?

I still think he’ll flip as Mafia more than Town.

Er… well… I disagree with your opinion, but these are opinions, so I can’t say much about it.

@Clownzu

Whysper isn’t exactly someone I trust if I do add, I completely forgot about them since I was reading the top post for the people.

…you were reading what now?

@Clownzu

This is incorrect, otherwise you can use this reasoning for anything in this type of game, emotions aren’t something that are hidden when a person is Mafia, I know that, but there’s also a clear fuse that would trigger someone who is Mafia, this does not feel like that, you can use this reasoning for anything though such as saying that Town and Mafia can just say the same thing, but that would ruin the entire point of the game.

There are certain triggers that the Mafia are more likely to react to than Town, but I don’t see why a Mafia can’t be triggered by things that would also trigger a Town.

January is one of those triggers where it doesn’t matter what you are; if you have a low threshold of class/patience/respect, then you will undoubtedly go into a heated debate with him and it will end up such that neither side will win.

[Zone_Q11]

Did you skim enough to see the latest VC?
I want to know what you think about the current wagons.

[Nuclear_Rehab]

I might start the clown wagon, idk lots of effort

[Zone_Q11]

I am debating whether to stay on Pigeon or join you in making the Clown wagon.

Pigeon has shown nothing towny today aside from maybe switching to Whysper, but the same logic applies to Clown, who is entirely detached from anyone other than Pigeon.