Like, this whole push really reminded me of how he handled Chloe in RWBY FM. It’s a bad-faith push for bad reasons and seems like it’s intended to get a strong presence out of the game.
Even knowing I townread Marl for his EOD mindset-wise, this push still looks terrible to me.
one of the problems with Marl’s slot is that he’s effectively made himself pretty unsatisfactory to yeet toDay, either way
which is something Arete did in Upick 2 as the last wolf
on the other hand it isn’t like he hasn’t had towny posts. I thought there were more towny ones than wolfy ones, but I don’t know the chances that i could be wrong at this point, since nothing else i’ve done in this game has proved worthwhile
all i did was push cloned for a while, then gave up because it gained no traction and someone said he was towny, and jumped on silviu for what i thought was TMI and tunnelled the slot through the entire rest of D1 and then D2 until it flipped town.
how wrong are my reads?
what do you think about zonus
i had a really dumb thought suddenly
if Marl/Vulgard were exactly one town and one wolf, wouldn’t one of them have just killed the other to prevent them from solving the game?
Actually agree with the WWA townread in hindsight and now, similar reasons to mine.
I’m paying attention to Nuclear’s posts for #reasons but I haven’t seen her post anything of value yet, and I’m 800 posts in. I get the feeling this isn’t going to be productive.
I’m really holding back the temptation to reiterate my points from day 1, but I assume everyone knows them already. I haven’t changed my mind on this being really bad, I’ve just gained other reasons to townread Marl later.
Nuclear’s posts look like openwolfing, but her being PR kinda explains it, I guess.
If Nuclear is a wolf getting away with fakeclaiming PR, with their play being this, I’m going to be really frustrated.
This is a really dumb read, but wolf!Marl probably doesn’t bother to alt speculate in thread when he can use wolfchat instead?
This post is like, super PR-ish to make, but also so blatant that her making it in the first place as an actual PR is odd. Then again, if this is a wolf then I’d have to assume she was planning to look like a PR and fakeclaim PR from day 1, almost from her opening, and that’s really unreasonable to assume even from the best wolves.
Contrarian wolfread on WWA (I think at this point in the thread it’s ~probably considered somewhat contrarian), noted.
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It would leave no reason for them being alive if they killed the other
are you asking vulgard or me?
I’ll answer anyway, I’ve had him at nulltown the entire time but since we’re at the point of the game where I heavily question my nullreads, and I didn’t like some of his responses to Marl today, I’m going to reconsider and examine his slot.
based on the readlist i made last night, the only slot that was a priority to look at who is still alive is vulgard, and the next-priority slots are min/zone
so i think that stacks neatly, I’m gonna look at all 3 of them
i’ve done enough work on cloned and reading anything else he posts literally will not help, regardless of his alignment, so I’ll accept that I’m frustrated with him and also confbiased into thinking he’s most likely a wolf here.
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Marl’s other reads at this point (January town, Eli town, WWA town) are all reads I agree with and the posts he uses to justify those reads are also posts I would use, so yeah. On this front I have no real problems with how Marl starts the game.
I feel like I’m inherently biased against his push on me because it’s a push on me. I do think he approached it very poorly but that alone doesn’t make him mafia.
that post and her post that she was never going to die in this game were the two that made me townread her as much as i hated the read
other than that i didn’t see much going on besides her stirring up chaos when i wasn’t convinced it was needed, but considering we’ve yeeted two villagers i do see her point now, in retrospect
this was supposed to say N2 obviously, but i grouped my thoughts there
@city this is what i had on him last night
and then on the other slots since nobody’s going to backread the rest of my post…
I remember seeing that post from Nuclear on day 1, but I didn’t really think much of it at the time.
i got a very slight townlean on it at the start but had her around null anyway until i saw some later posts that gave me more insight
it’s mostly that post and the other one in conjunction with each other that i thought were blatantly town PR
i’m still inclined to believe Nuclear’s claim tbh
never played with Squirrel before but I think if the slot is town and Nuclear was not a PR, Squirrel would’ve just gone ahead and claimed VT instead of keeping up the fakeclaim
and I also don’t really think Nuclear does it as a wolf because she claimed VT yesterDay, which confused the hell out of me (and maybe Marl too) because we both thought she was softing MDet. I could easily believe she claimed VT just to throw wolves off the trail, and yet she was of less interest to wolves than the doctor was because even if they thought she was MD, her pushes and votes showed that she didn’t have a check on anyone so she wasn’t a danger to wolves.
This feels very pockety, actually. I understand having a townread, but him being ride-or-die on it so quickly is a bit concerning.
And this reads as performative.
So does this (phrasing), but I could see him posting this as town, since it’s good advice either way.
This might be a stupid read but him pinging me to engage with him while he’s pushing me is kinda odd to me. I don’t know what his expectations are. Does he want to start an argument? Does he want me to give him an excuse not to push me or something?
That’s the thing, he thinks I’m a wolf but incites me to engage with him and possibly make myself un-misyeetable / change his mind / pocket him / whatever. This is probably playstyle-related, but I also think it’s odd either way.
Hmm.
For clarity, this is where I lock village read City and I don’t think I’m going to budge on this even now. Their disposition in the thread simply isn’t something they’ve ever been able to fake as W.
And motion detects neither? I don’t think that’s a big problem, just curious. Meh, she can’t answer me anyway.
Meh, this really does feel PRish, I don’t even care about the targeting. I can’t see this coming from a wolf who plans to claim PR later on, it’s just not a strategy a wolf would approach the game with fmpov. Relies on them actually killing the real PR the wolf wants to claim, and on successfully pulling off a fake PR demeanor without people questioning why you’re alive. Also kinda screws you over and forces you to change your strategy if you’re pushed early for openwolfy play and forced to claim PR, dragging yourself into an inevitable CC battle.
I will say that this push from Zone looks like it has decent conviction behind it. He’s really dancing around it and not pushing it very hard, which would be more in line with what I’ve seen town!Zone do when pushing someone, but he did say he was changing his playstyle, so that could be the reason.
I actually think it’s villagery
I like to allow players I’m scumreading to engage with me when I’m town because if they have something really important to point out that will change my mind, there’s less of a risk that I confbias myself into yeeting a villager. Of course it’s risky if a wolf ends up just pocketing you, and I’ve seen it happen, but it’s townier to give the benefit of the doubt when you’re not 100% confident.
well, she motion detected min last night and came up empty-handed so all we know is that min isn’t the roleblocker and isn’t a PR
considering min claimed VT this makes no difference
the thing with Zone is that I thought he believed his push on Clownzu yesterDay
I also saw that he’s been engaging with players and allowing them to possibly change his mind if their interactions turn out differently than he expected
and i’m not sure if w!Zone does that?
This entire push still reads as very performative and not actually intent on figuring out my alignment.
But that’s the only thing I’ve taken issue with so far, the push on me.
I know that I village read that part initially, but I’m not village reading it now, when I have more context and view it as a whole.
Min has these random pop-ins every now and then, with equally random reads. Also gives a copout answer to the unasked question of reading Zone, and considering what my townreads look like rn, this looks pretty bad and aligned between the two.
This approach to Leafia also really does assume she’s always mafia from the get go, and that’s a very questionable mindset as town. Even for v!Marl, I think. I still don’t know why wolf!Marl would bend over backwards to misyeet her, even at the cost of his own life, though. This’ll come up more later but that tendency is already present here to an extent.
