Oh god, I guess I will lurk in the shadows.
Thanks.
I still think minās Leafia read was questionable source-wise, and Iām starting to think Marl mightāve attacked me for it because min is his partner, but Iām not going to give preflips too much thought - especially not at this stage of the game.
Marlās explanation of his push on me wasnāt bad, and it seemed villagery to me at first glance, but Iām starting to reconsider that. Him pushing one of the strongest players in this game (I really hate saying this, by the way, but Marl seems to think that, if his posts are any indication) as one of his first moves on day 1 isnāt something he doesnāt do as a wolf (see RWBY FM, where he did this to Chloe). Him claiming that heās doing it to keep me on my toes and make sure I donāt deepwolf is honestly a pretty villagery POV, but it could be used maliciously to make sure Iām not listened to (wolves like to do that to me).
And thereās still the fact his initial reasoning, even after his explanation, is questionable.
Iāve already mentioned this, but this is where he once again makes an unfair comparison. He compares me asking players a question early in the game to openwolfing.
The idea that asking a question to fit in is like openwolfing as a joke (because it achieves the same goal - fitting in) is very context-dependent, and in this case, the context doesnāt support his claim. The context is that I started the conversation and that Iām largely responsible for the lack of RVS in this game. Claiming that I tried to fit in by asking a softball question is simply bogus.
Minās reasoning was significantly different from mine (and wolfy, fmpov, as Iāve already explained), and my read wasnāt even a townread. It was phrased more like a question to the thread, because it was.
I think this is where his take becomes confirmation bias, because this section implies that me not pushing an OMGUSing player must mean Iām scared of them, and thatās a leap.
The problem with this part is that the supposed inconsistencies he pointed out donāt actually exist, so this feels more like heās pushing me because he can, rather than because he genuinely thinks Iām a wolf.
Iāve just realized that I have no idea where he pulled that from. The post heās referring to was an implied question to the thread, not an actual townread. And it wasnāt even directed at Leafia herself, so the āpocketā part is also questionable.
What I did more recently is more akin to ādrawing heat off of Leafia,ā since I told people that her being accused of TMI was normal regardless of alignment and that the same thing goes for her preflips. But the part heās referring toā¦ wasnāt that, and again, I have no idea why he thinks it was.
Basically, Marl is filtering all my early actions in this game through the lens of me being a wolf. The things heās listing either arenāt what he says they are or they arenāt functional reasoning, and you donāt even have to be Vulgard to see that.
And yes, I do recognize that town!Marl can get tunneled, but the way heās treating my slot still feels like heās not approaching it from a neutral standpoint. More like a pre-biased standpoint. āI will scumread Vulgard today.ā
TL;DR I think Marlās suspicion / push on me is conclusion before analysis rather than playing by discovery, because the reasoning heās applying doesnāt work in-context and heās making connections between what I say that donāt make sense.
omgus? yikes, cancelled.
Itās not omgus. You pushed me and I think youāre V regardless. Cloned voted me, and while that was a meme vote, I didnāt think it was wolfy.
Marlās treatment of my slot, on the other hand, is wolfy.
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I might agree with the conclusion-before-analysis part a little later on in his posts, but I did think his early point against you made sense tbh.
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I do agree with what Vulgard says here, but I need to analyze this confrontation more closely. And I do agree that him pressing against Vulgard since the beginning was odd as Iāve said earlier.
Okay, this site is becoming dumb. Iām trying to click on Vulgardās quotes so it directs me where theyāve said that and that part works at least, but it doesnāt let me click on Marlās quotes aaaaaaaaaaa
Those arrows are also broken for me, as well as for probably most people, so youāre gonna have to do a bit of digging for yourself.
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Vote Count
| Vote Target | Voted By | Votes |
|---|---|---|
| clonedcheese | min, January | 2/8 |
| January | Clownzu, clonedcheese | 2/8 |
| Vulgard | Marluxion, City | 2/8 |
| Leafia | EliThePsycho | 1/8 |
| thepigeonnyc | Leafia | 1/8 |
| Zone_Q11 | Aelin | 1/8 |
| Marluxion | Vulgard | 1/8 |
| Not Voting | Silviu200530, Nuclear_Rehab, thepigeonnyc, WindwardAway, Zone_Q11 | 5 |
Please actually read what Iāve been saying. I donāt townread either of them and my vote is even on pigeon. I just doubt that theyāre both scum. Although it is possible.
Hereās my thoughts as I get caught up.
Zone is looking slightly townish to me right now, so Iām giving him a !v lean. As for Clown, his actions may only be due to him being new, so Iām not ready to scumread him just yet.
I donāt get why Cloned has already locktown Marl when Marl has barely spoken. He should explain that read.
I can sort of understand why Marl would be confident in a !vWind world, but some explaination of that read canāt hurt.
I donāt like how Cloned is acting one bit either. He seems very opportunistic and I think he could be just seeing who he could logically push here. Heās dropped a lot in my reads list. /vote Cloned @Arete
Never mind on Marl. He explained his read on Wind.
An explaination will definitely be needed about this because Iām not seeing it. Never mind. He explained it.
Iām starting to see what Marl is getting at about Vulgard although Iām not convinced heās right about Vulgard yet.
The argument between Cloned and January is pretty interesting I might add. Cloned is starting to look a bit better from it. /unvote Not quite sure what to think of January, but he seems a bit opportunistic here.
More opportunistic by the second. /vote January @Arete The thing I hate the most is how heās not even trying to explain how heās scumreading Cloned here.
Iām getting more and more convinced that January is a wolf the more I read his posts. No, lockscum doesnāt mean that you canāt re eval them later. Just as locktown doesnāt mean that you canāt re eval them later.
Heās literally admitted to being Atlasās alt.
You do realize that people can change their mind, right?
Youāll need to sell me on this because I donāt see any reason town would act like heās acting.
Itās obviously that he changed his mind on the lockscum aspect.
Iām coming to understand how Marl and Wind are townreading January here even if I donāt agree with them.
As for my reads on Marl and Wind, Iām at least somewhat confident that theyāre both villagers here.
This is something to think about. /unvote for now.
Already Clownzu is sounding smarter than some of the veteran players Iāve seen. Calling someone TWTBAW is a great way to misclear a wolf. Look at my first game on this site for an exam ppl let which was Insurgency.
I hate how Nuclear is speculating on who the PRs are since I canāt see how town would even care who the PRs are for now. /vote Nuclear
This is the first time Iāve done one as town, but I fake them all the time as scum, and Iāll admit, if I was scum this game, I could see myself faking that one too. Which is why I wonāt be surprised if I seem scummy for it.
My first ever game with you was with me as a villager. That was the only one before this one.
Getting a feeling that Marl/Vulgard is a v/v battle since Iām currently v reading both of them, although both have brought up what I think are valid concerns about the other.
For the ease of hosting, I would prefer if people would not change their vote multiple times in one post
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I use the search feature to find votes and unvotes without pings, and if there are multiple votes in a post the search feature only shows the first one in the preview text
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Successfully drove while half asleep
Its 50 degrees here but thankfully poolās heated