[VFM] JoaT^2 - (6/15) - šŸ˜¹ Pirates (Town) Win!

The thing about Wazza is also weird because, like. Wazza pushing PK doesnā€™t really do anything. He doesnā€™t have any influence over the thread. So Intensify handles it appropriately, by not caring.

Then Flameo swoops in and destroys PK. Now Intensify is screaming to yeet Flameo immediately. All the ā€œlet it resolveā€ crap went out the window once he realized PK was caught in a lie. If PK gets yeeted here, Flameo gets protected, two JOATs are alive and he always loses by PoE. Canā€™t let it happen.

The only reason I see bussing potential in Wazza is because I donā€™t know what heā€™s been doing this whole game, and the fact heā€™s been on PKā€™s case for the entire day, even ignoring the JOAT claim war, is notable too.

Itā€™s a really high level read for a 5th post :joy:

Wording is sus all around :joy:

I think itā€™s fairly town sulit indicative with intent on deepwolfing

Itā€™s also very confrontational and Iā€™m not sure Leafia would be a big fan of W/W this early

This post and the wisp post exist

Read on scum

donā€™t think they just post reads on both scum :^)

I think Sulit is tmiā€™d town because they really like

go full on their read which is unconventional

:joy:

[quote=ā€œCatLover, post:1898, topic:83078, full:trueā€]
Casing on Wazza:

The first half of this posting is something that I donā€™t think is alignment indicative. This general deflated ā€œI hate this game, just kill me alreadyā€ can and has come from different alignments. Trying to read in to those types of posts just leads to cherrypicking quotes to fit what you think, and confirmation bias. Iā€™ll admit I did try to read in to it heavily earlier but at this point I think the best way to handle his posts about hating that he randed VT is just to ignore them or at the very least admit thereā€™s not much to be gleaned from them, and just focus on the posts of his I can find that donā€™t relate to that.

[quote=ā€œWazza, post:734, topic:83078ā€]

One thing Iā€™ve found in general is, regardless of the alignment of the person posting this, they will usually believe it is true. Not that it is- but he will usually think he has no differences at all between his Town and Mafia games. I have no interest in looking at his past games, so I do not care if there are tonal differences between the two, but this mindset may be important later.

He approached the wall that the above quoted post is in in a way that I have struggled to interpret but I have come to the conclusion that Wazza and Sulit is t/w. Iā€™ve mulled over this wall for about 10-15 minutes and this is the conclusion iā€™ve come.

Summary

I have a lot of mixed feelings from this wall, but I have ascertained a few things from it that I believe to be telling. I think that, in this wall, he is approaching this wall from the mindset that sulit is town. He says so at the beginning and the way his reads and posts are formulated makes me think that he had genuinely approached this from the mindset that sulit is town. This could mean a few worlds (Wazza wolf and is TMIing sulit town, Wazza town and is townreading sulit), but it distinctly does not feel like itā€™s from somebody who has TMI on sulit being mafia. Therefore I think that it is not w/w.

I can go into further detail on the posts that made me specifically think he does not have TMI on wolf!sulit, but to make it more concise iā€™m just putting the general reasoning here.

He ended up voting and pushing CallMeIo later (I know he said he was not going to make reads, but I am not going to fault him for going back on that nor do I think itā€™s inherently wolfy as I can see the mindset of wanted to play the game as town even if you said earlier you werenā€™t)

I like how he stands his ground when CallMeIo pushed him, specifically the way he attacked him for his perceived poor arguments. There was focused aggression when he was drilling Io that made me feel like this was more than pushing Io for more than just pushing him. Posts like these:

Summary

[quote=ā€œWazza, post:1163, topic:83078ā€]

[quote=ā€œWazza, post:1163, topic:83078ā€]

[quote=ā€œWazza, post:1182, topic:83078ā€]

[quote=ā€œWazza, post:1182, topic:83078ā€]

mhhmhm

da burial

hm ok

They never ISOā€™d me :joy:

was it wvw w wisp :joy:

I think Wazza is just the JOAT and healed you tbh :joy:

Ways I could envision Intensify town are dumb stuff like ā€œa wolfteam with PK/Intensify doesnā€™t come up with the idea of having PK claim JOATā€ or ā€œa wolfteam with PK/Intensify doesnā€™t realize the consequences of bussing PK and letting Flameo live.ā€

But even that point is moot because Wisp/CatLover couldā€™ve discussed this before they replaced in.

I think Sulit looks townie from Cat D1 :joy:

I think Iā€™m okay with that.

So does Leafia

unless Leafia likes hardcore w/w

Centuries
Vulgard
Sulit
Wazza
Leafia

ā€“

Io/Intensify :joy:

The only reason Iā€™m seeing Centuries!wolf as possible is because I might be getting pocketed, or I already have been.

Io is obvious town, please. A wolfā€™s play is never an incoherent mess like this.

Well then itā€™s Intensify :joy:

Imagine if this is the solve.
Who needs 7 players when you just have two.

In a world where scum cat never isoā€™s me when im town

they probably dont iso town io either o_O

If Wisp scum that means Cat didnā€™t even try to towncase him

I agree that sulit looks really good based on CatLover spew.
Namely, the fact sulit is CatLoverā€™s first townread backed up by extensive reasoning. From my experience, wolves almost never do this with partners because they donā€™t want to align themselves so hard so early.

This about Leafia also makes Leafia look good.

I think seeing how CatLover played around Mole

they dont do the same thing with their second scummate

probably in me/io/wisp

so if you think io is obvs town

and im town

intensify youā€™re BOXED IN :joy_cat:

Centuries' eyes only

What if I said that I had a gamer :tm: reason to consider Io town beyond what Iā€™ve already said?