[VFM] JoaT^2 - (6/15) - 😹 Pirates (Town) Win!

[SirDerpsAlot]

No bad

[Centuries]

mh

I like Gorta better thoughhh

[Centuries]

as a lonch**

[EliThePsycho]

no pls
no quickhammering reeee

[SirDerpsAlot]

Vote Sulit bitch

[SirDerpsAlot]

This is a joke ur not a bitch

Gtg tho

[Leafia]

Gorta is the correct vote to make I think.

[Arete]

Vote Count

Vote Target	Voted by	Votes
an_gorta_pratai	Flameo, sulit, Leafia, Centuries	4/6
Leafia	Wazza, an_gorta_pratai	2/6
sulit	CallMeIo, SirDerpsAlot	2/6

Ping me if I missed any votes

[Leafia]

Gorta really should’ve been the yeet for D1, not Ash.

[Intensify]

Gorta day 1 was actually fine. He was perfectly like how I would imagine town Gorta

[Intensify]

Not sure though why we are voting Gorta day 3 tho.
Can’t remember the reason

[Intensify]

Also I still haven’t caught up on thread I really shouldn’t be talking here.

[Flameo]

@sulit

not digging mole or wazza atm

kat cat and flameo all seem fine so far

Io also seems off

@sulit

/vote mole

@sulit

Conroy probably town because gamer or something

What is this? I saw Vulgard reference this too.

@sulit

As town Wazza is way more aggressive and active and he is COMFORTABLE IN THE THREAD.

As scum if you look closer you can clearly see that his motivation is to get townread rather than to find scum, and he has a like, I don’t want to be here vibe.

The last two games I’ve seen him as scum he mostly lower posted D1 and barely posted any reads or actively pushed them.

Wazza as town is pretty obvious in my opinion because it’s pretty easy to see when he actually believes in his reads or just chill I’m the thread tbh.

I haven’t really seen the above yet and the fact he used the same argument he did as Replay, “I don’t want to post reads till asked because my reads are shit,” doesn’t inspire much more confidence in him from me tbh.

It’s also sucky you’re using the anon game to meta read me as I purposely tried to play different and tried out different methods to read people. I specifically played on an alt because I don’t want to be held to that standard of play in normal games.

I like this post as I believe that she believes in this read.

@sulit

I think Mole is fine so far, better than ash.
I get where people are coming from with the not actually solving but there’s a few reads sprinkled in his posts I don’t think he should be lynched today. I think mainly his trying to figure out the alignment of Leafia is towny.

I agreed with this at the time, so I’m pretty fine with this motivation even though it switches away from scum.

@sulit

was just gonna point that out lmao

no clue why wazza is getting a pass here

I liked that they continued this.

@sulit

@Vulgard

Initially scumreads Mole, but when there is actual pressure on Mole, she switches her read to a townread because “Mole is town despite what people are saying, and his post on Leafia is good.”

Hint: His post on Leafia was actually an example of really hedgy non-progression.
Hint 2: The read switch is awfully convenient. Not to mention the fact she distanced the Ash wagon from the Mole wagon later during the day.

I didn’t like Mole because their entrance was I forget the word but less than I expected or something

I liked their approach to solving the Leafia slot and don’t remember finding hedge there?

Am I not allowed to reeval slots?

@Vulgard

Here.

Cool, just don’t quote the reasoning on the vote. Good job Vulgard.

@Vulgard

Immediately assumes that Kat was an SPK despite having self-admitted low WiM, and a significantly lower postcount than many of the other players.

Seems like an opportunity to push agenda.

I ISOed them. You know that kat is perfectly capable of pushing their reads, and I didn’t find anything overly PR-y in their ISO. I didn’t “immediately assume” anything. Kat’s post count was very high as most people were in the hundreds? I wouldn’t call that a low postcount…

@Vulgard

No? You voted ash because the alternative would be voting your wolf partner. In a world where you are both wolves, of course.

Your vote on ash also has little to no reasoning, and you actually barely talk about Ash in your ISO. It’s sheeping at best and a wolfy pop-in vote on the top wagon at worst.

You also don’t seem to have any interest in solving the game. Your ISO hits many of the same point I made on Mole. Lack of explained reads, very low-level thinking at times, little to no pushing anyone. You’ve been just floating in the thread this whole game, and yet when I start to suspect you, you give me an AtE-filled response.

If you’re a villager, give me reasons not to wolfread you by playing better than this. Right now, I think you’re just a wolf, and possibly Mole’s partner. Even independently from Mole, your ISO looks quite bad to me.

Yeah, great job not quoting my reasoning again! I had reasoning for voting ash and I preferred them over the Mole wagon, i didn’t have time to setup a wagon I liked better, and that response isn’t AtE filled lol.

@sulit

I’m not fucking AtEing you’re painting my vote on ash as an unexplained vote just to push the main wagon to higher numbers when it’s obviously not that

@sulit

I explained my reasoning I really don’t know what else you want from me.

“I’m sorry for being wrong.”

@sulit

I don’t know how much more you can possibly misrepresent my posts.

I like the sass here. It doesn’t feel defensive as a “I’m caught” kind of way, but more “annoyed and starting to be skeptical of Vulgard for feeling to be misrepresented by them”.

@sulit

I feel like their read on Io is also weird and could be w/w but I’m not gonna push on that. Just whenever I thought about Io’s slot LHF doesn’t really come to mind. Their first couple posts felt really faked to me and I think it’s obvious they kind of know what they’re doing. They say they might change their mind on Io if they keep being underwhelming but never really reeval them and I just don’t really understand this read. If one of them flip W I would look hard at the other.

I loved this take, since I had a similar team in mind at that point of the thread.

@sulit

The thing I find most weird is their push on me as stated above. They start off with a townread on me, one strong enough to put me in a towncore but rescind it referencing an alt game I played. I tell Vulgard this was an alt game and I was purposely playing differently, and they acknowledge that and keep pushing me anyways. They post a few posts near EOD acknowledging that ash was scummy, but then they quote my vote, ignoring the reasoning and say my vote… is scummy. They misrepresent my vote as “a vote that pushed a town wagon away from an unknown,” even though I had reasoning behind my vote and they acknowledged earlier at EOD as well ash was off. They shade me for assuming that Kat was killed for reads even though I did read back. They shed my ash vote in the worst light possible, saying I voted a top wagon and dipped even though I provided reasoning for my vote and wasn’t here EOD.

They repeat it here.

@sulit

Still think Mole’s fine

while their reasoning is strange I don’t exactly think it’s scummy and I think you can understand the thought process behind their pushes.

I think the whole they are shitposting thing is really overexaggerated

And I still like their approach to solving Leafia via trying to make them angry, it felt town motivated

zoom

ok by im taking nap

/vote vulgard

I think this reasoning is fine and it fits with being more skeptical of Vulgard now.

@sulit

I really don’t like how Elphas left a vote on ash and was there for EOD but didn’t really do much afterwards, but I’ve found them towny otherwise so I’d probably save this if I ever make it to Lylo <small which is doubtful.

Still think this post puts them over the town edge enough. They showed a distinct lack of knowing that Elephas was the nightkill and I think the read also makes sense in this context, so it just feels genuine.

@sulit

Elphas ash/mole progression

This isn’t as bad as I originally thought, I think the progression makes sense here since there were more focused on ash most of the day.

Wait, I skimmed over this first, they literally have a quote wall of them… wtf are Sulit voters doing!?

“Dropped to Low WiM” argument? They have like 30 posts defending themselves today with significantly more words than the days prior, hence the difference in postcount/actual content. And the giant post at start of day is probably their largest post.

[EliThePsycho]

thread closes in 38
vote coming soon

[Leafia]

Once Gorta flips, we’ll gain valuable info regardless of his alignment.

[Wazza]

Uhh, I’m here. I assume day has around 3 hours remaining.

[EliThePsycho]

it has 33 minutes

[Wazza]

Oh shit.

[an_gorta_pratai]

@Flameo

Oh no, I agree with your definition. I shade/diminish credibility of my scumreads, because scum should not get a louder voice than town or be listened to more. Shading people is not just a scum activity in the same vein that slanking wouldn’t be. You should look at the motivations, not the actions.

I see, but I would say you are casting doubt on my actions because you suspect me

@Flameo

What I did to you was not solely shade. It was also part pressure/part genuine scumread.

This is why I think you are suspecting me and not trying to shade me

@Vulgard

I should note that gorta started the game by denying townclears / shading on 4 people, two of them are nigh-confirmed villagers right now.

Most of that is NAI. Like not trusting Katze, tinfoiling you wolf after the last game we played together, and not trusting Leafia.

@Vulgard

and then pivots to “Ash is lockwolf, Mole is town, go Ash.” Also note that Mole was a wolf.

I never said that. I only said I would go for Ash over Mole because Mole was my highest TR and Ash was more null/unknown

@Vulgard

but right now he’s suspicious of her because her read on him is terrible?

iirc I said that her read was terrible, but I never pushed her hard before d3

@Vulgard

What about literally everyone else on the Mole wagon? Most of the game has voted him at some point. Are they bussers too?

Flameo wasn’t voted by Mole while a CW and Leafia is a known hard busser and had odd posts d3

@Vulgard

You were literally townreading Sulit earlier. What? You called me and Sulit town in one post. What changed? Scum allegedly don’t defend their partners, but she called Mole town at some point. Wouldn’t that make her town? Did you post that just because you want to have a similar consensus to mine, because I’m town?

I did TR Sulit on d1/early d2, but I decided to sheep the read of a confirmed townie who has played with Sulit quite a bit more than I have. I did say that I didn’t feel super good about a Sulit execution though

[Wazza]

Yeah I probably should’ve noticed the auto-closing thing at the bottom, but I’m making food right now. I have nothing to contribute until tomorrow, which probably won’t be much nonetheless.