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[CallMeIo]

Oops.
Fixed.

[Wazza]

aaaa, the spam quote, my favourite.

[CallMeIo]

[quote=“katze, post:938, topic:83078, full:true”]

@katze

gonna jot down my thoughts on some slots as i look down the playerlist

SirDerpsALot

ngl derps is a bitch to read, he’s pretty aware of his scummeta and is moderately good at replicating his townmeta

i kind of think their posts are >rand V at the moment

@SirDerpsAlot

I decided I want to try harder this game and get actually better

this post scares me

because derps undoubtedly enjoys playing scum more than town

but that post is abnormal

it scares me because i feel like this is a post derps can write as an excuse to be more invested and blend in to his scum meta

he’s generally less invested as a villager and this post could be him actually wanting to change that, i don’t particularly remember derps ever making efforts of improving his towngame

imo don’t let derps live to LyLo (because he’s usually a wolf if hes alive at LyLo) but prob don’t yeet him yet

Wazza

i very commonly scumread Wazza in every game we play together so at this point i just try to avoid reading him if i can

their “im VT i hate this game” post is >rand V

thats all i really have to say

Centuries

i don’t really know conroys (thats centuries btw, i can call him that cause we’re cool like that ) scummeta

but i’ve consistently seen his posts as villagery

they don’t really feel like they have agenda in their posting

their thought process feels good and mostly transparent

i like conboi

CatLover

locktown because of their name and the fact they’re my hypoclaimed N0 check

(click this)

jokes aside i find myself agreeing with a lot of their posts

a couple things they’ve said have pinged me though as being lightly LAMIST or what feels like someone forcing themselves to be agreeable

@CatLover

Why don’t you townread me for the same reasons? I’m not saying you should, but I’m genuinely interested what you think I am lacking and what they have.

but i also just think this instance of it is more likely to come from a villager just because i think a wolf would be self aware enough to just not write it

Vulgard

their posts were most likely written by a villager

that’s the easiest way to describe my read on him but i know he hates it so i’ll try to explain it as best as i can

when vulgard is a villager, his posts have a certain level of genuineness that he is really not good at replicating as a wolf

his level of fake solving as a wolf is good at face value, but when you look at it under a microscope they’re much weaker posts than when he’s a villager

and his posts have not felt like his wolf posts

but generally when vulgard is a villager you’ll see one post and its like

“this post cannot ever come from wolf!Vulgard”

i have not seen that post

but i don’t hate his posts

so he’s probably just town

an_gorta_pratai

1 post lol

@an_gorta_pratai exist please

sulit

when sulit is a wolf they don’t want to exist

when sulit is a villager they usually want to exist

sulit wants to exist

sulit is very likely to be town

if sulits WiM suddenly drops in the next day (Day 2) then be very cautious of them as they can somewhat feign wanting to exist as a wolf but struggle to keep up the facade for long

her WiM sometimes dies as a villager too but its usually much later in the game

taking a break for now

hand hurts and ive already typed too much

continuing from here

CallMeIo

i didnt really remember too many of their posts initially so i took a reread

i dont really feel like they’re doing anything except making their own towncore

like they feel like they just exist in thread and i don’t feel like they add very much to it

@CallMeIo

However, I feel that Flameo’s response was genuine. I think scum would have said it differently.
He might be scum but I’m not going to jump to any conclusions yet.

like this is a unique thought

but there’s no meat to this bone, and the conclusion is second guessing themselves

@Leafia

Leafia: The hosts messed up and gave me her rolecard. Locktown.

@CallMeIo

Call me Bias.
But I TR Leafia for Bolded .

this too

why do you TR leafia for a joke that isn’t that uncommon on this site

the quotes kinda broke so im quarantining them here

[quote=“CallMeIo, post:346, topic:83078”]

@Moleland

@CallMeIo

Even though I’m Town)
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What does this even mean?

It means that my Rolecard is Green!

[quote=“CallMeIo, post:357, topic:83078, full:true”]

[quote=“Moleland, post:264, topic:83078”]

@Moleland

@CallMeIo

(Even though I’m Town)
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What does this even mean?
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This comment is a ‘Duh’ moment. There’s no reason to add the ‘Even though I’m town’ part of this post. It’s not like you can be friendly neutral in this game.

/Vote callmelo

Well I didn’t want anyone to jump to any conclusions.
If I didn’t say what I said someone might misunderstand what I’m trying to say.

@CallMeIo

@Moleland

But… Why was this comment needed?

Re-Quote my post and remove that comment and see for yourself.

@CallMeIo

@Wisp

Tempted to just policy vote Mole for 429

But will you?
/Vote Mole
How about now?

@CallMeIo

@Wisp

I have a wolf PoE of like

Elephas/Mole/Flameo, dont know if that makes sense as a team, but on an individual level they all bring posts that I hate

I don’t mind this PoE.
Not sure on Flameo, but the other 2 seem fine.

@CallMeIo

Tier D - Good Chance to be Scum
Elephas
Mole

the progression on moleland here feels kinda wack

as far as i can tell i quoted every post in their ISO regarding moleland

wouldn’t mind seeing this player yeeted atm

wanna hear more progression from them though

Elephas

i just realized your profile picture wasn’t zulrah

i think elephas has a decent mindset

@Elephas

As I can only choose a single player to vote at a time, I have a Finger of Suspicion on Leafia, Wiisp, Vulgard. Vulgard is no longer in the thread or I would place a vote there.

i don’t know why i like this because i think it’s objectively not very AI but it shows that they’re using their vote with intent to actually get something out of someone in thread

plus the fact they have a tentative scumread on vulgard, see that i’ve expressed some level of competence in reading vulgard, and bring it up to me is a good look for them – not at all unfakable, but it’s notable

they also continue to interact with vulgard quite a bit, and it feels like they’re actually trying to solve that slot

i don’t think anything this slot has done is unfakable by a wolf but it’s fairly villagery

would not yeet today

Leafia

meh

their OMGUS attitude is consistent throughout most of their games, regardless of alignment

i’ve noticed progression in their posts (notably with wisp)

i don’t really know how to differentiate town and scum leafia honestly

if it becomes necessary to do so later, i might dive into her past games to see if i can find any notable differences

@Centuries

@Leafia

I’m curious about that too honestly.

Just want to say this is the one thing I’ve seen a lot in her scumgame and very little in her towngame lol

@Leafia

And why was bringing that up necessary when it doesn’t help one bit?

@Centuries

? It does help

as I said

I’m not willing to use meta on you

now, you just riding Vulgard takes while being very pockety

is a thing

@Leafia

I just agree with him about a lot of stuff and throwing shade on me does not help the town at all. It only helps scum.

@Centuries

@Leafia

throwing shade on me does not help the town at all. It only helps scum.

bad take but ok

@Leafia

It isn’t a bad take at all. You’re just reeking of agenda right now. Whether I’m just being paranoid though remains to be seen.

@Centuries

I have no reason to not voice my take on you especially since I have nothing to lose by saying that those posts of yours were scummy

I’d rather die with my reads/takes voiced than to just be deadweight town lol

Scum’s main reason for killing people is read accuracy + odds of flipping Joat

I lose nothing by saying it out loud

@Leafia

You’re just reeking of agenda right now.

No

Bad

No buzzwords

Buzzwords do not make your argument better

@Leafia

That’s only true in a world where I’m scum. Plus, saying that doesn’t help with solving because it doesn’t help with solving my slot and I’m not even sure if it’s even true. I’ve also had more time as scum. Way more time, so of course you’d see it more from scum!me. What you said is just mi sdcc leading shade.

i don’t like how they responded in this string of posts

but this isn’t abnormal for town!leafia

atm i don’t think the slot should live to LyLo if it comes to that without some serious evaluation

Moleland

i think ive seen people give moleland scumreads for antagonizing leafia

i don’t think it’s necessary but he did it in WoW:BFAv2 as Town (where Leafia was a LW) and thus i don’t think it should be taken as scum AI

don’t believe ive ever actually played a game with mole (i was spectating the above mentioned game, rooting for my sister )

quarantining this post because it's disgusting

@Moleland

@Wazza stop posting in Vldr and get over here since you are already at L - 4

moleland has 75 posts and i don’t feel like they’ve done much other than antagonize leafia, and while i don’t think specifically antagonizing leafia is scum!AI for mole

@Moleland

I feel Leaf going OMGUS is at best NAI. But I’m Tring them for other reasons rn.

Just waiting for gorta to make his alignment known a little before I make a more in depth readlist.

given the lack of content from this slot i’d like to see their readlist

@Moleland

Not sure I agree there especially.

But her play so far is 80% her scum game for me.

However there’s a new 20% I haven’t seen before and it’s either an evolved scum game… Or her town game which overwrites the other 80%. I’m calling it the latter for now.

while this post doesn’t really explain what they’re seeing in that 20%

i feel like this is a villagery post?

it’s… a weird reason to townread someone, and part of me feels like this was a townread first and a conclusion second

just don’t think a wolf writes this kind of read very often about a villager and i don’t think moleland/leafia is W/W

im not super confident on this because it’s about the only thing good the slot has imo and its only good because its fucking weird lmao

dinner time

/vote CallMeIo for meow
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To Clarify.
Which of Leafia and Mole is more Town to you?

[CallMeIo]

@Flameo

@CallMeIo

@Leafia
Wanna start a Town Takeover together?

@CallMeIo

I’m confident in my TR on Leafia!
I was just suggesting we do a Town Takeover so Scum can’t overcome the barrier and the will of the Town.
We just got to make sure all Town is in our Barrier and we got this win!

Do you think you have had enough of a thread impact for this to be a realistic goal to pursue?

@CallMeIo

Tier D - Good Chance to be Scum
Elephas

I am not seeing this particular placement. Please elaborate.

Everyone Impact’s the thread in some way!
It takes Town to Take it Over to ensure our holy success.
I assume Elephas is a TR of yours?

[CallMeIo]

@Wisp

I have a wolf PoE of like
Elephas/Mole/Flameo, dont know if that makes sense as a team, but on an individual level they all bring posts that I hate

This is the Big Brain.

[CallMeIo]

May make a Wall Case on Mole later.
May not.

[katze]

@CallMeIo

Which of Leafia and Mole is more Town to you?

i dont strongly TR either

if i had to pick one or the other at this exact moment i’d pick moleland

but i plan to look at leafia closer later

[CallMeIo]

Hopefully you’ll see what I see when you do.

[Elephas]

@Flameo

I was considering it and I am kind of sad not to have gotten around to them. They have been getting a lot of townreads and I really would like to know if that is warranted or they have thread control that needs to go. I dislike how they have interacted with me specifically, but I like to get a more complete picture before putting out a more definitive read.

I appreciate that you are not hopping to a scumread on Vulgard for disliking your slot. If possible, I would love your take on him before the end of this day.

@Leafia

Not really since I was already townreading Wiisp before I even ISOed Centuries.

Hm. Interesting. Reading through your earlier posts, this is the latest take you have regarding Wiisp:

@Leafia

While I don’t agree with Sulit and Wiisp being in the towncore, die to me not being sure what to think about Sulit at the moment, she’s currently a scumlean of mine slightly, and Wiisp I’m currently town leaning, but not enough to be confident that she’s town

Your read seems to have gotten stronger during this time period, but I see no mention as to why? How confident are you in a player’s alignment when you put them as a read versus a lean?

@SirDerpsAlot

Vul wrote this post about me in another game

I… don’t think anyone is going to read through this entirely. I skimmed it, but I don’t quite understand the context of this post; how long ago was the game, were you scum, was Vulgard town, at what point in the game was this? Etc etc etc. Can you break it down so people understand what you’re trying to say? Perhaps bold some important parts.

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Catching up I noticed people discussing the pros and cons of claiming JOAT or VT. I do not think we should be having this discussion. Claiming anything is not in our best interest, and helping wolves find PRs by pointing out claims, etc, does not help us in the slightest.

Please don’t even joke about it! Wolves are much better at picking up on who is being truthful versus who is trying to cover for PRs, as that is what they have to do in order to win.

@CatLover

I read ash4fun’s wall on me and it is at least an improvement , but it feels like it’s trying to speak directly to me instead of to the general audience. A lot of things are said in 2nd person (2nd person means “you” statments), which doesn’t feel exactly right when making a case for all others to see. When a town case on myself from someone else seems to be primarily addressed at me, it makes me feel like he cares more about me knowing he townreads me than actually letting the thread know that i’m town.

Interesting. I honestly did not notice the word-choice that ash used in their post on you. Perhaps because it was not specifically for me. I will be taking another look at this in a short while. I do not appreciate that ash popped in with a singular Isolation read, and has provided nothing since.
It is difficult for me to read players like this.

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I noticed that Wiisp is back in the thread - and they haven’t responded to my question after seven hours. I very much dislike that they placed a vote on me and have not interacted with me or responded to me since! How am I supposed to change your mind on my slot if you won’t read my rebuttal?

The longer you take to respond to me, the more I think you do not care to read what I have to say.

For Wiisp

@Elephas

@Elephas

Odd vote. I find it peculiar that Wiisp votes katze here over the assumption that they were being truthful about being a wolf. Why did they not mention anything regarding sulit, if the post they took at face value stated sulit is a wolf as well? Do not like.

This still holds. And though I did not ask a question here, they never attempted to refute this.

@Wisp

explain to me, how your vote ended up on Moleland here?

Do agree there are a lot of scummy people though

I dont feel like quoting the second post as well, but exactly why are you waiting for Ash to give you content that makes you believe they are townie, when your first wall effectively had a list of 3 people you would vote, me/Vul/Mojo

Why does Vul not being there, mean you shouldnt vote them, if you hate them the most?
Your read of Mole didn’t even change from your change of vote
Your words and votes do not line up, I think its all fake

I explained my thoughts behind every sentence in this post, and, once again, though I did not ask Wisp any questions in response, they did not acknowledge this post, and they are still voting me. For now, I will partially chalk it up to real-life circumstances not allowing this player to read my post. However, I do want to make sure it does not go unnoticed.
@Wisp after reading my responses to the above quote, has your mind changed at all on my slot?

Also… who is Mojo…? “your first wall effectively had a list of 3 people you would vote, me/Vul/Mojo”

@Wisp
Unsure if I have to ping again, so I will to be safe.

[Elephas]

@an_gorta_pratai

You are voting a no-poster over any of your other scum reads? I get pressure, but I don’t fold to pressure and will be active when I can be/not tired

I do not normally vote for players who are not in the thread, but it has been over twenty-four hours since the start of the day, and you have done close to nothing, so I think it is warranted.

This catch-up post from you is extremely underwhelming, and I expect you to step it up by the end of this day, or you will absolutely be a lynch candidate.

@an_gorta_pratai

Leafia deserves every bit of suspicious that goes her way. Don’t call her lockscum, but also don’t call her locktown

@an_gorta_pratai

I want to tinfoil that Vul is a wolf who has improved, but that’s just tinfoil.

These are the closest things to reads that you have, and they are hedgy. I do not like this.

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I will be reading and responding to katze’s posts, but would like to see how players who they “dont mind seeing yeeted,” and those they are less confident on, respond first.

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I have a Finger of Suspicion on Ash and Gorta, and less-so on Wazza and Leafia.
For now I will be voting Wiisp, as I do not think they believe in their read on me, or care to interact with / respond to me!
/vote Wiisp @Arete @DatBird

[Wisp]

I am currently enjoying post game chat in regards to a mafia game that just ended
I certainly believe my vote is justified based off what I said, I havent read any of your new stuff yet
and I don’t plan on reviewing you again before I go through others

but I will get to your questions in a bit

[Arete]

Vote Count

Vote Target	Voted by	Votes
Wiisp	SirDerpsAlot, Moleland, Elephas	3/8
Moleland	CallMeIo, Vulgard, Leafia	3/8
ash4fun	CatLover, Flameo	2/8
Wazza	sulit	1/8
Elephas	Wiisp	1/8
katze	Centuries	1/8
CallMeIo	katze	1/8

[Elephas]

There are three votes on Wiisp.

[Wisp]

your Gorta vote is just as bad
and then you chop on that reason, even though its completely contradictory to your unvote prior
Gorta not posting doesnt make him a wolf, and your “pressure” vote, does absolutely nothing despite what you may or may not believe

I will agree that Gorta’s posts were underwhelming though, but I like his post on you because it aligns with my thoughts

[Wisp]

I doubt I get yeeted day 1, that hasn’t happened in a long time, honestly me being mislynched hasnt happened in a long time

and all your votes just seem to end up being placeholders

[Wisp]

Your responses were in the morning, I went straight to work, I havent back read anything outside the stuff I’ve seen in real time

[Wisp]

I explained my vote on Katze
the open wolf response to Derp was more of a meme than anything

[Wisp]

also, where am I shitposting?

[Elephas]

I will be popping into the thread sporadically. My schedule tonight is rather odd. If anyone has questions for me, please feel free to ask.

@Wisp

your Gorta vote is just as bad
and then you chop on that reason, even though its completely contradictory to your unvote prior
Gorta not posting doesnt make him a wolf, and your “pressure” vote, does absolutely nothing despite what you may or may not believe

I disagree. Perhaps a single vote does not provide a lot of pressure, but I cannot say I don’t think me voting him had no impact on him returning to the thread.

All my votes have reason. I did not state that Gorta is a wolf for not posting, but it certainly does not help their cause. How am I to read a player if they don’t post at all?

@Wisp

and all your votes just seem to end up being placeholders

Would you rather me tunnelvision on every person I vote?
I vote for reactions, and incentive to respond. Every vote of mine has had reason, and I stand by them all.

Voting is a utility, and I plan to use it, rather than sitting on one player for a majority of the day.

[Wisp]

Voting is towns only tool to win that game, that is obvious
but I don’t see how throwing these pressure votes around does anything