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[Vulgard]

@Vulgard

@CallMeIo

If I had to guess right now.

I’d say CatLover, Elephas and Flameo is the Team.

This is openwolfing if Io is scum. Posts like these are why I don’t believe Io is a wolf.

Like, for Io to be a wolf, they would have to intentionally continue doing the things they are being wolfread for.

Do they come across as the type of player who would openwolf as scum, when the thread is already very much against them?

[Vulgard]

@Vulgard

It didn’t, I dropped it. I’m not a very organized player.

Speaking of which, I still haven’t read Flameo. It’s a huge endeavor because of how dense their posts are.
Not that I hate players who write a lot, it’s just difficult to read them.

[Elephas]

@Vulgard

Do they come across as the type of player who would openwolf as scum, when the thread is already very much against them?

Sadly yes.

However, I don’t think they should be our focus right now. Their slot will resolve itself one way or another.

Giving them too much attention just gives wolves more information, and is also a waste of time, as they are not the lynch today.

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Also, Vulgard feels like a genuinely low-WiM villager.
Their thoughts are things that I would see myself saying, even though I missed a few of the posts they quoted.
They are constantly re-evaluting, and I have seen nothing that looks like pushing agenda.

I do not think Vulgard should be in the lynch pool today.
If they live until LYLO and/or we keep flipping villagers in PoE, take a second look

I have determined that my hesitation on the slot is paranoia over a genuine scumread.

[Elephas]

My current towncore is:
Elephas, Flameo, Vulgard (Yes, I believe Flameo/Vulgard is Town/Town), Wiisp(?) [Need to re-read]

My PoE is:
Gorta, SirDerpsAlot, Io, Sulit, Mole

Centuries and CatLover are townleans.
Wazza I forgot existed.
Someone else exists and I cannot remember who.

[an_gorta_pratai]

@Vulgard

I frankly don’t know what he’s doing even though I called him town earlier.
Might retract the read at this rate.

I am a lazy bastard with low motivation at this moment (it’s not game related, but IRL stuff), but I plan to make a few reads

[Moleland]

I would like to see those reads

[an_gorta_pratai]

Elephas

I don’t feel as strongly about Ele being town as I did about Mole, but I kind of don’t mind this slot as much as some others. Their progression on reads is semi natural, they aren’t pushing for people to claim or JOAT cover (a bad idea), and they are trying to get inactives to speak up. I think this is likely town(?), but there are still some posts that are odd and keep me from calling this a stronger town read.

Mole Re-eval

I don’t have much more to say here. I still think this is likely town, but I don’t like the stuff about JOAT cover. I think the JOAT stuff could just be a difference of opinion though. I suppose you could say I have less of a TR on mole for it, but I don’t think I can call that slot scum yet

Flameo

I don’t like this slot. You can scream this is just “OMGUS”, but I hate how their entire stuff on me is just shading and trying to get me out. Overall this slot seems less solvey than others, has a scummy tone, and from what I can tell they just go with whatever is being pushed at the time.

Vulgard

Oh boy, this is a slot that I don’t get many town pings from. In the past I have read Vul correctly (even when he was pushed) and I don’t see those town pings here. I don’t know what it is, but I don’t feel this slot is as towny as usual. I can case this more later, but my initial impressions are a slight scum read

I am probably wrong on at least one of these though

[an_gorta_pratai]

I will admit that my read on Vul probably comes from just playing a game with scum Vulgard and knowing that Vul said he needs to work on his early scum game last game.

[SirDerpsAlot]

@Vulgard

I usually don’t live to YeetLo as V. And if I do, I re-evaluate everyone.
Sometimes I end up voting a villager anyway, but not always

So an excuse to be lazy

[Moleland]

I agree with the Vul read. He is attempting to towncore my Scumreads which doesn’t look good to me.

[Moleland]

In fact I’m going to /Vote Vul to stop him covering his fellow wolves

[Vulgard]

Why do you care?

@Moleland

In fact I’m going to /Vote Vul

Is this anything other than OMGUS?

[Vulgard]

Flameo is probably town upon re-reading.

[Vulgard]

Sounds very pure in multiple posts. Too pure to be a wolf, I think.

[Vulgard]

Leafia trending down because of the LAMIST aspect.
Sulit still fairly low.
Mole still the lowest.

Still thinking Io/gorta are both town, but there could be a wolf there.

Don’t know about Wazza, time to read him again.

[Vulgard]

But I actually think the start of Wazza’s play was very towny. Like… in a bad way. There’s no denying that his posts are not the best content ever. He’s mostly focused on defending himself and complaining about sulit’s push.

However, the attitude Wazza is presenting is “I don’t give a damn” and it reads as pure to me. Posts like the one below.

@Wazza

That Game I was a Vanilla Mafia Scum. I hate Vanillas.

Additionally, it was an Alt Game. I hate Alts.

Not to mention, I didn’t get into it and it wasn’t fun for me to play.

@Wazza

I stated I’m Vanilla Town because to be honest, I do not give a fuck about this game due to it.

Either way, Sulit created a push on me that was false and provided no evidence to back it up. Not a big fan of that.

They might look like really bad posts, but I am townreading them. If Wazza’s a wolf, what is he even doing? He’s just complaining about things mostly unrelated to the game, and his first read is OMGUS. I’d say a wolf wouldn’t be so openly terrible in most cases.

He did show up day 2 to do some solving.

@Wazza

I read Io as Sulit for some reason,

I stick with Io being ranged from scummy to townie (I re-eval’d them and their content before all the things happened wasn’t too bad)

@Wazza

I’ll be going sleep in 3 hours anyway to fix my sleep schedule once and for all so I’ll be up for a bit.

Anyway, I’m just being less of an ass is all. Also I do think I want to add Centuries to the pool of being lynched today, comparing how they’re playing today towards DGADT (Where they were a confirmed town mason), it just feels off? I don’t know how to explain that but that’s the vibe I’m getting.

@Wazza

I’ll be honest, you’re on the right track and I can visibly see what you’re saying, but I don’t think you’re stating it properly nor trying to get that point across.

While yes, your post categories Centuries into clearly not playing his townmeta, you need to push the point or the agenda, even if you townread it, sometimes you have to play Devil’s Advocate.

@Wazza

But, a few points I have to make:

• Calling someone a JOAT based on their softs is bad because Vanilla Town should always soft JOAT (Hypocritical for me this game but you get the point)
• Calling someone a JOAT is bad since if they’re actually a JOAT you’re putting them on the chopping block.
• The fact you’re calling them JOAT publicly makes me think you’re Town though since I really doubt you’d do that as scum.

I think these posts are very pure, and the thought processes come from a place of no TMI.

So yeah, Wazza is probably town in my book.

[Moleland]

You are towncoring wolves. I believe it to be premeditated because you are a wolf.

[Vulgard]

@Moleland

You are towncoring wolves.

Like who?

[Vulgard]

Elephas is never a wolf. I townread them unconditionally, and their response to me townreading them was to:

• question my alignment
• write a whole wallpost on me
• struggle to draw a conclusion initially
• engage with me to figure out my alignment
• show advanced progression throughout
• draw a fairly strong conclusion in the end, complete with good tone and a vocabulary shift consistent with someone who started with low confidence about the read and ended on a high note.

And you’re trying to tell me that came from a wolf? I have never seen someone have such good progression, tone changes, immense volume, active re-evaluation, as a wolf. It just doesn’t happen, even among strong wolves. You can’t fabricate everything that goes through a villager’s head.

@Moleland

You are towncoring wolves.

Also, I’m not sure why you suddenly care about your wolfreads not getting pushed on day 2, after I push you. Why did you not try to push your wolfreads on day 1? You had a solid one on Wisp. Is Wisp the wolf I’m towncoring? If I am towncoring Wisp, who you think is a wolf, then maybe you should look for support for your townreads to oust me from the game? You can’t do anything by yourself with a vote that looks like OMGUS.

I don’t think the way you’re thinking is consistent with what a villager should be thinking. Like, you say that I’m towncoring wolves and that I’m wolfy, and you said that Wisp was wolfy, but you have not been actively trying to get either of us yeeted until just now. How am I supposed to believe that you want to yeet wolves when you don’t push people you think are wolves?

Also, why did you not push me earlier today? My reads have barely changed since then. In fact, I already had people like Wisp and Elephas in my towncore on day 1. Did it not raise any red flags back then? You were wolfreading Wisp, so you already had reasons to question my alignment back then. From your perspective, I was towncoring a wolf. But you seemingly turned a blind eye to that at the time.

Also, what happened to “don’t read until day 3?” You do have a read on me all of a sudden, before day 3, and it appears after I push you and convince people to yeet you?

[Centuries]

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