[VFM] JoaT^2 - (6/15) - 😹 Pirates (Town) Win!

[Vulgard]

But I don’t want to clear you just because “ooooo 2 wolves wouldn’t bus each other again.” I need other reasons.

[Vulgard]

Okay, will get here again later, bye.

[Centuries]

@an_gorta_pratai

YOU WERE OUT HERE CLAIMING THAT SINCE TWO DEAD TOWNIES VOTED ME THAT I MUST BE A WOLF (Katze wasn’t hard pushing me and Ash was in self prez mode)

@an_gorta_pratai

I WAS NOT EXPLAINING WHY I THINK YOU ARE SCUM THERE LEARN TO READ BETWEEN THE LINES

thoughts

[an_gorta_pratai]

You are probably right there, but when I get the motivation I will case Flameo and Leafia (after I re-eval both slots)

[sulit]

@sulit

I think Leafia is fine ? Their progression on Mole makes sense and they basically scumread them all most all day. I think it’s a good look they’re the second vote on Mole too.

I forget if Leafia likes to bus, though. I also don’t think s!Mole immediately latches on to and focuses on their scummate, calling them town and generating a lot of content related to reading solely them. It feels more that Mole was TMIing Leafia town and trying to make content based on that to get townread.

@Vulgard

[an_gorta_pratai]

Yeah? I was pissed off at Flameo and being pushed for bs reasons

[sulit]

zzzzzzz

[an_gorta_pratai]

@sulit

I forget if Leafia likes to bus, though.

Eh, Leafia is a hard busser

[an_gorta_pratai]

I want you to read her d3 posts

[sulit]

main point of the read is I think Mole was jsut TMIing Leafia town and trying to generate content based on that to get townread

[sulit]

brrrrrrrr

ok

[an_gorta_pratai]

I don’t like the way Leafia attaches to me right away and doesn’t consider any other possibilities, while constantly bringing up “I get the most credit for mole”

[an_gorta_pratai]

It reeks of agenda and pushing a mislynch

[sulit]

i don’t really see it

it’s in leafia’s townrange I think but I don’t really trust my read on their actual posts which was why I mainly looked at mole interactions instead

shrug

[an_gorta_pratai]

I wasn’t the only one to notice this. I think Vul came to a similar conclusion

[CallMeIo]

@Flameo

@CallMeIo

Wazza is obvious Town.
Please take my word on this guys

Yea… no. This is a game of mafia, why would we need to take “your word” for it. Explain yourself.

I already did.
He said he could never say as scum.

[SirDerpsAlot]

@Vulgard

I just don’t see a Gorta scum world

I don’t see him defending mole as hard as he does as scum

[CallMeIo]

[quote=“Flameo, post:2834, topic:83078, full:true”]

@CallMeIo

Flameo had a Townie interaction with Mole there!

Can you expand on why this is no longer applicable…? Sigh… I feel like a broken record asking for reasons.

@CallMeIo

@Moleland

@CallMeIo

(Even though I’m Town)
[/quote]

What does this even mean?

It means that my Rolecard is Green!

This interaction with Mole feels very stiff.

@CallMeIo

@Wisp

The fact that flameo voted for Mole for not answering a question about reads 1 hour into game start, does not feel real to me.

Really?
I feel the opposite.

I wish people started answering read questions.

@CallMeIo

Tier S - Obvious Town
Io

Tier A - Most Likely Town
Vulgard
Wisp
Leafia

Tier B - Good Chance to be Town

Sulit
Flameo

Tier C - Not Sure
Katze
Ash
CatLover
Wazza
SirDerpsAllot
Centuries
Gorta

Tier D - Good Chance to be Scum
Elephas
Mole

Tier F - Obvious Scum
Who Knows

Need to check this for consistency later.

@CallMeIo

@Wisp

I have a wolf PoE of like

Elephas/Mole/Flameo, dont know if that makes sense as a team, but on an individual level they all bring posts that I hate

This is the Big Brain.

Who knows what I did to suddenly move down in the readlist… @CallMeIo explain this leap in logic? Your posts didn’t indicate anything.

@CallMeIo

I don’t like the Ash wagon.
Ash is probably Town.

This is fair considering me and Elephas were on it I believe.

@CallMeIo

Tier C - Not Sure
Katze
CatLover
SirDerpsAllot
Gorta
Flameo

Tier D - Good Chance to be Scum
Elephas
Mole
Wazza

Edited this.
All scum are in here.

Wazza had downtrended, just because they had claimed vanilla town?

@CallMeIo

@Wazza

I changed my mind. Can’t I change my mind around here?

So you are for the ash wagon but don’t vote that?
You don’t even acknowledge my reasoning and let it off us non existence and you think someone flipping scum forces me to defend myself simply because I was wrong about them? Ok.
Seems to me like you just desperately wanted me to changed my mind about Ash.
Won’t happen.
My vote today is on Mole or You.

This interaction is fairly expected given their prior reads. They do follow up.

@CallMeIo

@Wazza

Your words actually:

‘mY VotE tODaY iS oN mOle Or yOu ’

@CallMeIo

My vote today is on Mole or You.

Yes. Exactly.
Because I think your Mole’s Partner.
I plan to keep my vote on Mole but if people vote you and you become Top Wagon I’ll vote you and I’m not going to deny that.

Hmm should check Io’s stance on Wazza now.

@CallMeIo

As I usually see day 1’s are the Day 1 Mislynch continues.
We must be true to ourselves!
It’s rare to see a scum lynch Day 1. We need to focus!
We mustn’t allow another mislynch to happen without redemption!
I will bless Town and become a sacrifice.
I Sacrifice myself to the following:

@Leafia
@Vulgard
@SirDerpsAlot
@Wisp

If I die, Let my grace pass on to you to protect to save to fight.

No votes will go on those who I’ve listed.
Vote me instead.
I’m not confirmed Town, there’s no reason not to vote me.
Don’t let your hatred seize revenge, follow your heart.

@Elephas lephas Leave this Realm!
/Vote Elephas

This now reads as a big reactiontest considering they had already sorted Wazza/Mole I suppose.

@CallMeIo

Kat was either killed by Suilt or killed by a team that was all town on Kat’s list. (Most likely option)
If you kill a player who isn’t a main priority kill and also Town reads your entire team it will allow you to go into Day 2 trying to say the NK was probably due to Katze finding someone scum. And they will probably try and use Katze’s TR on them as an excuse to not eliminate them.
This will allow scum to setup multiple mislynches.

This big tinfoil is out of nowhere.

@CallMeIo

Flameo might be Elephas’s Buddy.
Making the Last one Between Mole, Suilt and Wazza.

Sulit downtrend comes out of nowhere too, considering they were prior stated as “Tier B - Good Chance to be Town”

@CallMeIo

Oh I did.
But Mole had more attraction so I voted that instead.

I guess this was the reason why they didn’t continue on Mole push. I think Mole still had more attraction on this day…, but sure.

@CallMeIo

Can’t wait till me and Vulgard become spewed Town after your scum flip.

Giggles

@CallMeIo

/Vote Flameo

I want to change Vote from Mole to This

@CallMeIo

I’m more confident on this being Elephas partner.

You see this reason doesn’t hold water anymore now right? Why are you still voting me… just freaking tell me why aaaaahhhh

@CallMeIo

@Wazza

I read Io as Sulit for some reason,

I stick with Io being ranged from scummy to townie (I re-eval’d them and their content before all the things happened wasn’t too bad)

@Wazza

But, a few points I have to make:

• Calling someone a JOAT based on their softs is bad because Vanilla Town should always soft JOAT (Hypocritical for me this game but you get the point)
• Calling someone a JOAT is bad since if they’re actually a JOAT you’re putting them on the chopping block.
• The fact you’re calling them JOAT publicly makes me think you’re Town though since I really doubt you’d do that as scum.

Tone Town.
Sorry I doubted you.

They followed up on the Wazza read which fits with their new scumteam proposal.

@CallMeIo

Flameo only has them in theirs because Flameo is trying to Pocket Leafia.

This is a fairly true point hmm, but I do townread them, based on things that I have seen or I haven’t given them a rigorous check, because of their post volume and I’m kind of glad I don’t need to do that, because of good Mole associations now.

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Will finish this up later, friend arrived. Feel no longer that confident in the fact that they are scum. I would love if they finally give some damn reasoning on my slot, so I can defend myself. They are capable of it as I see them do it on some others. Going back to Gorta, who promised me a case.

/vote Gorta

I’ll try and case you later today.

[CallMeIo]

@SirDerpsAlot

@Vulgard

I just don’t see a Gorta scum world

I don’t see him defending mole as hard as he does as scum

That’s because Gorta isn’t scum.
He’s a mislynch.

[CallMeIo]

@an_gorta_pratai

I don’t like the way Leafia attaches to me right away and doesn’t consider any other possibilities, while constantly bringing up “I get the most credit for mole”

Leafia always does that regardless of alignment.
That’s Playstyle. It’s NAI.