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[an_gorta_pratai]

@sulit

some suspect things

@Leafia

I feel bad for ever doubting Elephas for a second now and I told everyone that Mole was scum. It seems my first assessment of him antagonizing me to try to make me look scummy was right. So, he has nothing really to apologize for. He was just trying to make me look scummy so town wouldn’t trust me, so he didn’t do anything wrong. He was just trying to win, so I guess we can be friends Mole. You’re not as bad as I thought you were.

This paints Gorta in a terrible light too, as he was hard defending Mole for no real reason EoD2. I personally think that Derps was just misguided. Him being a wolf isn’t impossible though.

Her first post says in her words “look at how towny I am” and attempts to paint me and derps in a bad light

@Leafia

Yeah, I’m a big busser, although in the one scumgame I had with Mole as a teammate, we were at each other’s throats the entire time he was alive.

She admits to being a busser here

@Leafia

As for Derps saying that Gorta is very likely a villager, I’m placing the same amount of trust in that that I placed in him saying that Mole is a villager at EoD 2. While I do think he’s town, I trust his judgement on who scum and town are even less than I could throw an Elephant.

Goes from saying it isn’t impossible for Derps to be a wolf -> Derps is a firm town read

Leafia vs me

and then Leafia attacks me most of yesterday (IRL)

@Leafia

Then explain why you defended him. You sound so LAMIST right now. You likely defended him in thew hopes that he would be saved and because you could justy use the argument that you’re currently using if he wasn’t.

@Leafia

That’s exactly what scum would say. Plus, you didn’t answer my question.

@Leafia

Because they want to win and think that they can save their scumbuddy. Exactly the same reason why a townie would defend a member of their towncore if that member of their towncore were being voted up.

@Leafia

I doubt I’ll change this vote at all today, unless Gorta improves massively. Right now, I’m 85% sure that Gorta is a wolf as well, and considering at EoD 2 I was 95% sure that Mole was a wolf, that’s saying a lot.There was a small part of my brain saying What if I’m wrong and Mole is town? that was only silenced upon seeing his flip, which was definitely a relief to me admittedly. EoD2 was stressful, but in the end, we yeeted a wolf.

there are other examples, but this post will be longer

Look at me I am so towny

@Leafia

I feel bad for ever doubting Elephas for a second now and I told everyone that Mole was scum. It seems my first assessment of him antagonizing me to try to make me look scummy was right. So, he has nothing really to apologize for. He was just trying to make me look scummy so town wouldn’t trust me, so he didn’t do anything wrong. He was just trying to win, so I guess we can be friends Mole. You’re not as bad as I thought you were.

This paints Gorta in a terrible light too, as he was hard defending Mole for no real reason EoD2. I personally think that Derps was just misguided. Him being a wolf isn’t impossible though.

@Leafia

I agree completely with this. That and trying to make me look scummy in the process. He said it surprised him that I didn’t get all defensive and LAMIST, and I believe him when he says that. He expected me to go all LAMIST and probably wanted me to be theD1 misyeet.

I’m going to listen to and trust Elephas. Vulgard is a villager.

@Leafia

You certainly did help, which is part of the reason that I’m going to trust that you’re a villager like me.

@Leafia

I think you get almost as much as I do honestly considering I was hard going after Mole near the end of both days and I was the first to call out Mole for being wolfy.

That being said, another thing that needs to be done today I think is resolving Gorta’s slot.

@Leafia

I’m not saying I should be completely clear due to it and there’s nothing BS about my accusation and I think that you know it. What you’re doing now is just making me suspect you even more.

I’ll admit that if I was a wolf and you were a town in this situation, what I’m doing now is exactly what I would do, but the reverse is also true. You need to take other things into consideration while trying to solve my slot, like how Mole acted towards me among other things. If you take just one thing as proof of someone’;s alignment, you’re just asking to towncore a wolf or misyeet a town. You need to look at the whole picture.

If I was someone else who knew my playstyle as well as I do, I’d be reading myself as a townlean currently. Could still be a wolf but is slightly more likely to be a villager. I’m guessing the uninformed spec chat reads me as close to that, although I can see how someone could scumlean me even now, as I have done at least a few scummy things.

Plus, you never explained why you hard defended Mole, who happened to be scum. That’s what a villager would’ve done I think. A villager would understand me scumreading them after how you hard defended Mole.

@Leafia

Why would I need to evaluate things when you’re clearly scum?

I didn’t see this one before

[Leafia]

Gorta is seeing LAMIST stuff where no LAMIST stuff exists. Not surprised honestly. I can understand where Vulgard is coming from and you don’t need to apologize for suspecting me Vul. With how I have been so far D3, I don’t really blame you and I probably shouldn’t have been so focused on Gorta’s slot. Although Gorta has also been super LAMIST as well.

Also, Derps and local, that kind of reasoning will lead wolves to victory. It’s the whole reason town lost Insurgency. No one should ever be cleared as town for acting super scummy. That’s how wolves win.

As for the third wolf, I have no idea who it could be. The only ones I’m confident it isn’t are me, Vulgard, Derps, and PK.

[Leafia]

Honestly, if Gorta isn’t the yeet today, town deserves to lose.

[an_gorta_pratai]

@Leafia

Gorta is seeing LAMIST stuff where no LAMIST stuff exists. Not surprised honestly. I can understand where Vulgard is coming from and you don’t need to apologize for suspecting me Vul. With how I have been so far D3, I don’t really blame you and I probably shouldn’t have been so focused on Gorta’s slot. Although Gorta has also been super LAMIST as well.

Get rid of me if you want, but I am a damn towny and you have been throwing shade on me all day. I honestly do hope you aren’t town because I refuse to believe town ever plays this bad. It’s like you have been spouting bs about my slot for all of d3 when it’s illogical to think that I would defend my buddy like that.

@Leafia

Also, Derps and local, that kind of reasoning will lead wolves to victory. It’s the whole reason town lost Insurgency. No one should ever be cleared as town for acting super scummy. That’s how wolves win.

Maybe we hydra’d together twice, maybe it’s because we know how to read each other, or maybe it’s both

[Wisp]

i just spent all of this morning trying to beat this boss so I could focus on this game… and it keeps wiping me

[Flameo]

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@Flameo

@an_gorta_pratai

It is worth noting that Mole did not Vote Flameo to self pres and instead voted a vanity wagon
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Meaning…? If they were aiming to distance they could have just voted me. Either way a scum would have died in the I think w/w scenario you’re suggesting here.

I’m looking forward to your case this day. I think you promised.

Or they were focused on distancing from their other scum buddy and just not vote you instead

Most of that is already when Mole’s slot was doomed and they’d be in anti-spew, so it’s pretty WIFOM regardless.

@CallMeIo

I don’t think Vulgard’s Wagon was pure at all.
So do you believe Wisp is the scum and not you?

I think it’s pure, because I literally started it, so I think there were good reasons for it at the time and I maintain that.

[Flameo]

@sulit

I really don’t like how Elphas left a vote on ash and was there for EOD but didn’t really do much afterwards, but I’ve found them towny otherwise so I’d probably save this if I ever make it to Lylo <small which is doubtful.

@sulit

Elphas

I wonder if Sulit makes this giantpost mentioning Elephas in advance, while actively already knowing they are going to kill Elephas and only in unlikely situations where they would be JOAT healed, this would be of merit. I’m guessing unlikely.

[Flameo]

@EliThePsycho Have you caught up already?

[Leafia]

I’m not the one playing bad here. If you’re town, this is godawful play coming from you. Of course people are going to think you’re scummy if you hard defend a wolf. The fact that you can’t see how that makes you look scummy has me convinced that you must be a wolf. A villager would at least understand my view on them. A wolf would act like you’re acting right now. A wolf hard defending a wolfbuddy literally happens all the time. Especially in ToS. I know this is FM and not ToS, but the same principals apply. If you think you can prevent a wolfbuddy from being lynched, you defend them. That’s the bottom line here. Look towards App and me in both Insurgency and CFM 2 for that. Also, I can’t throw shade when it’s already there. I’m just pointing out why you’re a super obvious wolf ancd I’ll be shocked if I survive tonight after getting you yeeted.

[Leafia]

What boss in what game?

[Flameo]

Where are your reads at now? Could you make a readlist?

[Leafia]

Sure thing. I’ll do that now.

[Leafia]

Derps: He’s making a lot of godawful pushes and defending obvious wolves but sadly, this is town AI for him. I did read through Hell in a Cell where he was scum and this feels closer to his town games than he did there.

Wazza: Not sure how to read him right now, but giving off a slightly townie vibe currently. His reaction to my confusion regarding his slot seems townish to me as I feel scum would’ve handled that differently.

Centuries: I don’t remember much from him so I don’t really have a good or even bad read on him, but GTH, I’d slightly townish.

PK: He replaced in for one of my towncore so now he’s in my towncore in CatLover’s place.
Vulgard: My top townread and the only one that it’s impossible for me to be wrong about. Clearly town.

Gorta: Very clearly scum. His defense of himself at the start of D3 was godawful and included OMGUSing me and being ultra LAMIST. I honestly can’t see how anyone could possibly think he’s town here. He’s virtually openwolfing here and he was even scummy before EoD1. The ones TRing him need to take a close look on his slot and re eval.

sulit: Not too sure about this slot. I remember TRing her but I can’t really recall why exactly. It doesn’t help that I keep getting her confused with Wiisp.

CallMeIo: I desperately want lo here to be town as I’d love a world where she’s town, but her reads and how sure she is of everything have me slightly doubting that such a world exists. I still TL them though although that may be due to me wanting her to be town so badly.
Elephas: Considering that they’re a dead flipped townie, I’m equally as confident that they’re town as I am about Vulgard being town.

Leafia: I have my reservations about this slot as it really puzzles me Her push on Gorta so early in the day seems pretty scummy to me and they’re a known hard busser, so I can see why people would be scumreading her. Hmmm, her interaction with Mole does paint her in a good light as Mole was clearly trying to make her look scummy. She’s been more re evaluatily and is making her own reads too, but whether that’s a sign of an improving scumgame or a towngame is hard to tell for certain. I’ll have to ISO her later to be s- wait. This is me. Oops. This is town. I’m as sure of it as I am about Vulgard being town.

Moleland: I’m as sure of him being scuum as I am about Gorta being scum. Considering he’s a dead flipped scum, that’s saying something.

Ash: I have no idea why people were scumreading him honestly, although he has dropped off the radar after EoD1. Considering that’s when he was yeeted though, that’s completely understandable.

Katze: Another slot I wasn’t sure about all of D1. RIP you townie you. You were an excellent cat and we’ll win this for you.

Wiisp: Pretty sure this is town at the moment. She’s had a very townie feel to her ever since the second half of D1.

Flameo: I’m slightly confident that he’s town. Although if I’m misclearing scum, this slot and Wazza are the most likely candidates.

[Flameo]

@Leafia

Leafia: I have my reservations about this slot as it really puzzles me Her push on Gorta so early in the day seems pretty scummy to me and they’re a known hard busser, so I can see why people would be scumreading her. Hmmm, her interaction with Mole does paint her in a good light as Mole was clearly trying to make her look scummy. She’s been more re evaluatily and is making her own reads too, but whether that’s a sign of an improving scumgame or a towngame is hard to tell for certain. I’ll have to ISO her later to be s- wait. This is me. Oops. This is town. I’m as sure of it as I am about Vulgard being town.

Did you seriously just make the largest read in here… on yourself?

And you included dead people too, because… why not.

Also

@Leafia

he’s

she

[Flameo]

@Leafia

OMGUSing me and being ultra LAMIST.

Do you think these things always come from scum? If not, why do you think they come from scum now?

[EliThePsycho]

I was sleeping
Imma catch up now.

[Leafia]

@Flameo

@Leafia

Leafia: I have my reservations about this slot as it really puzzles me Her push on Gorta so early in the day seems pretty scummy to me and they’re a known hard busser, so I can see why people would be scumreading her. Hmmm, her interaction with Mole does paint her in a good light as Mole was clearly trying to make her look scummy. She’s been more re evaluatily and is making her own reads too, but whether that’s a sign of an improving scumgame or a towngame is hard to tell for certain. I’ll have to ISO her later to be s- wait. This is me. Oops. This is town. I’m as sure of it as I am about Vulgard being town.

Did you seriously just make the largest read in here… on yourself?

And you included dead people too, because… why not.

I figured the mood was getting a bit too serious, so I decided to add a bit of humor to my reads. Besides, I was getting a bit tired of readlists that just flat out call the one making it town.

[Wazza]

When does day end?

[Flameo]

In 23 hours.

[Wazza]

Fr? Nice, time to sleep.