[VFM] JoaT^2 - (6/15) - 😹 Pirates (Town) Win!

[CallMeIo]

Do not let our enemies get the best of us!

[Wazza]

Once again, Moleland is a distancing scum. He’s the type of guy to push himself off a waterfall long before his buddies can fall.

[CallMeIo]

Yeah but he only interacted with Suilt once when he had lots of opportunities to interact with them.

[CallMeIo]

Let’s check out his reads on Suilt.

[CallMeIo]

@Moleland

11 hours until end of day huh? I’ll start my readlist but am working currently, will have time either way to get them out.

Tldr reads though

1. SirDerpsALot - Nulltown
2. Wazza - Unhelpfultown
3. Centuries - Null
4. CatLover - Weak null
5. Vulgard - In a box marked ‘Do not bother trying to read until day 3’
6. an_gorta_pratai - Lazytown
7. sulit - Townlean
8. CallMeIo - Nullscum
9. Elephae - Nullleantown
10. Leafia - Weaktown
11. Moleland -Goat
12. ash4fun - Nullscum
13. katze - Null
14. Wisp - Weakscum
15. Flameo - Null

@Moleland

Ok my full reads in order

Vulgard - In a box marked ‘Do not bother trying to read until day 3’
Already elaborated on. Never lynch this

an_gorta_pratai - Lazy(But improving)town
I don’t think scum would allow Gorta to do so little in thread. However I do like most f their recent posts

Wazza - Unhelpfultown
Regrettably, I don’t think Wazza’s scumbuds would allow him to be such a dick to people. Annoyingly, he’s town imo

Leafia - Weaktown
Make her irrated or angry and she spills her scumminess. That’s what happened for me. I was happy playing ‘Scum Leafia’ Bingo. I was just waiting for her to self meta and say “Only town me would do X” or “If I was scum I would do.Y” and… Huh. They said it wasn’t AI? That was unexpected. Maturing scum game or their town game? Not sure tbh - but want to believe the latter. Should re eval their read on me because it is a mix of Salt and misunderstanding my opening post/s at the moment.

sulit - Townlean
I think her push on Wazza came from a genuine place, and was dripping with Town motivation.

SirDerpsALot - Nulltown
This feels like a safe, normal derps game to me. No interest in lynching this slot

Eleph - Nullleantown
Is contributing well enough so far that I don’t have any misgivings here for now.

Centuries - Null
Cent is kinda… Existing? For me. Nothing they’ve done makes me see them either way

katze - Null
There most recent posts are better, but they in general haven’t done enough to justify me reading them as anything other than null.

Flameo - Null
Their massive defence of Leafia was really odd, on top demamding me to have anything really to say when the game had barely started. I had a mild scumlean for that. But since then, I’ve been happy with their posts and they have moved back to a null.

CatLover - Weak null
Similar to Cent but… Their posts seem pretty fluffy and useless tbh. I’m going to give them the benefit of the doubt for now though.

CallMeIo - Nullscum
As others mentioned, their posts are pretty underwhelming… But they seem to revel in this. I don’t like it.

ash4fun - Nullscum
Seem to be getting a lot of hate but I’m not sure I agree tbh. A scumish ping for me is how they seem to only react to the thread rather than progress anything of their own.

Wisp - Weakscum
I hate people who self meta for no reason. They, in my experience, are scum. Strike 1. Add onto this a lot of weak questions of people I pretty sure this is scum.

I guess he only made Reads Day 1 but whatever it’ll work I guess.

So they put Suilt as a TownLean because of their push on Wazza and said their push felt genuine.
His reasoning on his Wazza though is lol.
They had a very long read on Leafia but considering they interacted with Leafia the most it’s not surprising.

[CallMeIo]

Actually now I think I’m going to take a look at both Katze’s and Elephas’s reads on Suilt.

[CallMeIo]

@katze

gonna jot down my thoughts on some slots as i look down the playerlist

SirDerpsALot

ngl derps is a bitch to read, he’s pretty aware of his scummeta and is moderately good at replicating his townmeta

i kind of think their posts are >rand V at the moment

@SirDerpsAlot

I decided I want to try harder this game and get actually better

this post scares me

because derps undoubtedly enjoys playing scum more than town

but that post is abnormal

it scares me because i feel like this is a post derps can write as an excuse to be more invested and blend in to his scum meta

he’s generally less invested as a villager and this post could be him actually wanting to change that, i don’t particularly remember derps ever making efforts of improving his towngame

imo don’t let derps live to LyLo (because he’s usually a wolf if hes alive at LyLo) but prob don’t yeet him yet

Wazza

i very commonly scumread Wazza in every game we play together so at this point i just try to avoid reading him if i can

their “im VT i hate this game” post is >rand V

thats all i really have to say

Centuries

i don’t really know conroys (thats centuries btw, i can call him that cause we’re cool like that ) scummeta

but i’ve consistently seen his posts as villagery

they don’t really feel like they have agenda in their posting

their thought process feels good and mostly transparent

i like conboi

CatLover

locktown because of their name and the fact they’re my hypoclaimed N0 check

(click this)

jokes aside i find myself agreeing with a lot of their posts

a couple things they’ve said have pinged me though as being lightly LAMIST or what feels like someone forcing themselves to be agreeable

@CatLover

Why don’t you townread me for the same reasons? I’m not saying you should, but I’m genuinely interested what you think I am lacking and what they have.

but i also just think this instance of it is more likely to come from a villager just because i think a wolf would be self aware enough to just not write it

Vulgard

their posts were most likely written by a villager

that’s the easiest way to describe my read on him but i know he hates it so i’ll try to explain it as best as i can

when vulgard is a villager, his posts have a certain level of genuineness that he is really not good at replicating as a wolf

his level of fake solving as a wolf is good at face value, but when you look at it under a microscope they’re much weaker posts than when he’s a villager

and his posts have not felt like his wolf posts

but generally when vulgard is a villager you’ll see one post and its like

“this post cannot ever come from wolf!Vulgard”

i have not seen that post

but i don’t hate his posts

so he’s probably just town

an_gorta_pratai

1 post lol

@an_gorta_pratai exist please

sulit

when sulit is a wolf they don’t want to exist

when sulit is a villager they usually want to exist

sulit wants to exist

sulit is very likely to be town

if sulits WiM suddenly drops in the next day (Day 2) then be very cautious of them as they can somewhat feign wanting to exist as a wolf but struggle to keep up the facade for long

her WiM sometimes dies as a villager too but its usually much later in the game

taking a break for now

hand hurts and ive already typed too much

While they had Suilt as a TR let’s go over what they said regarding meta. “if sulits WiM suddenly drops in the next day (Day 2) then be very cautious of them”
Noted.

[CallMeIo]

@Elephas

Katze’s reads:

sulit

@katze

i dont get why me predicting what you’d do is town AI of me

and i obviously disagree that im conscious about what i post as scum even though my last wolf game would support that theory, every other wolf game i’ve had (bar my very first) doesn’t support this

@katze

meta wise sulits doing okay

i was on her ass in her first few posts in her last wolf game and she’s kind of repeated something that pinged me in said wolf game (giving me an early townread) except in that game her justification was objectively false whereas here it feels more natural and, well, isn’t objectively false

@katze

sulit actually making a push on D1 is >rand V

bonus points because it felt real

@katze

fair

my standards are slightly low for a sulit D1 push and i think she met them

its more the fact that shes not just hiding in the sidelines and making shy noises really

@katze

when sulit is a wolf they don’t want to exist

when sulit is a villager they usually want to exist

sulit wants to exist

sulit is very likely to be town

if sulits WiM suddenly drops in the next day (Day 2) then be very cautious of them as they can somewhat feign wanting to exist as a wolf but struggle to keep up the facade for long

her WiM sometimes dies as a villager too but its usually much later in the game

@katze

Why

I’ll admit she’s been somewhat absent in the latter half of today but her first half of the day was fairly towny

Also when you saw my read list you didn’t even comment on sulit despite voting her, whys that

@katze

In the former half of the day I’d disagree with your assessment

I probably should be a bit more concerned on how they’ve slowed down

@katze

I don’t see it

I think if she continues to not exist that she should be yeeted tomorrow maybe

Not really considering a soolit yet today tho

He gives sulit a tentative townlean based on meta, then states that their push on Wazza is a good look. Please pay attention to the fact that katze said that if sulit drops in activity, they are likely scum. This is important to note.
Make sure this player stays active, and make sure they are providing real content, not just posting to look active.

He also mentioned this like I did and ended up being the NK over Vulgard who didn’t mention that.

[CallMeIo]

Now I’m also beginning to believe I’m going to be the NK tonight because I brought it up.

[CallMeIo]

Unless of course we can all get Suilt yeet’ed today then I wouldn’t have to worry about that.

[CallMeIo]

Ok yeah.
@Vulgard
@Flameo
@SirDerpsAlot

Their WIM Dropped Significantly.

Suilt’s Post Count - 183
Day 1: 106
Day 2: 63
Day 3: 14

Their Day 2 Count is Half of their Day 1 Posts +10.
They haven’t really posted much this Day.

[CallMeIo]

Let’s take a look at their Day 3 Posts.
“14”

@sulit

hello this is sulit

from the past

gonna look at people based on the mafia ™ flip

first person I wanted to look at is Wisp but I think he’s semi clear because of Mole’s push on them for the entirety of the game and because of this:

wait nevermind they changed votes

One thing that’s noticeable from this is

Everyone moved off the Mole wagon

So

Imma look at people besides Wisp that moved off

Also gonna look at Mole’s push on Wisp more

I think refusing to give reasoning on it is… semi weird? Can’t get myself to decide if that’s scum AI for Wisp

I also apologize in advance if this post ends of taking up a shit ton of space because i’m using screenshots oops

EOD vote counts in order

eod stuff

Wisp -> Elphas to ash4fun

Elphas -> Wisp to ash4fun

Centuries -> katze to ash4fun

Centuries -> ash4fun to kat
Leafia -> ash4fun to CallMeIo
Wisp -> ash4fun to Moleland
Flameo -> ash4fun to no one
sulit -> Wazza to ash4fun
Wazza -> no one to CallMeIo

gorta -> no one to no exe

Wisp -> Moleland to ash4fun
katze -> CallMeIo to ash4fun

gorta -> no exe to ash4fun
katze -> ash4fun to CallmeIo

ash4fun -> Moleland to CallMeIo

Flameo -> no one to ash4fun
CatLover -> ash4fun to gorta
ash4fun -> CallMeIo to gorta

Wisp -> ash4fun to gorta
katze -> CallMeIo to gorta

katze -> gorta to unvote

People on EOD:
Derps
Conroy
Wisp
Vulgard
Flameo
Mole
katze
ash
CatLover
Elphas
gorta

Alrighty so.

I think Vulgard and CallMeIo look substantially better (like Vulgard wasn’t already town from last day but netuishtueshtshui)

CallMeIo because they remained on Mole and were an attempted CFD EOD.

Conroy is kinda ???

He didn’t have much reasoning to actually be voting kat, voted ash but voted off. He is eh. Eh.

Wisp also looks worse in my eyes, gonna ISO him and look specifically for thoughts on Mole/Ash because I think his ash vote is… super weird.

I really don’t like how Elphas left a vote on ash and was there for EOD but didn’t really do much afterwards, but I’ve found them towny otherwise so I’d probably save this if I ever make it to Lylo <small which is doubtful.

actually I did this too aaaa

I feel like gorta is almost TWTBAW. They vote ash even though they aren’t even really a wagon at a time, pushing them higher above Mole and kat leads a CFD on them. I’d like to ISO them after this but I think they should flip before anyone else tbh.

I can’t really decide what I think about Flameo. I think it’s relatively towny that they were on EOD and unvoted ash, didn’t vote anything else so it makes me think they’re unlikely to be scum, also their earlier interactions with Mole don’t seem to be w/w but I want to look back at this as well.

Derps was just on a vanity wagon the whole time. Which is a Derps thing to do. Not much thoughts about this.

CatLover is just town. I don’t think I could give a valid opinion on their EOD without being biased.

Gonna ISO gorta and Flameo next then, also Wisp too. Also wanna look at Leafia/Mole interactions. WHEEEEEEEEEEE.

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Elphas ash/mole progression

This isn’t as bad as I originally thought, I think the progression makes sense here since there were more focused on ash most of the day.

I do kinda think it’s weird they dropped their Mole read but not weird enough to drop them into my immediate POE.

Flameo/Mole

Alrighty so.

Flameo could definitely still be scum they’re not clear. I think it’s odd that they sus Mole earlier but they don’t really return to the read and don’t include them in their short list of reads afterwards. Their vote at EOD2 could be bussing because honestly Mole was always being lynched there, but their nervousness seems genuine. I think their reasoning for not liking the Mole wagon EOD1 was supported. They could be scum but I don’t think I want them lynched today. I do think if gorta flips scum they’re more likely to be scum, as they voted ash over gorta at EOD.

So, flip gorta before Flameo, again.

Wisp/Mole

ASH

MOLE

The switch to ash EOD is kinda weird bc they were confidently on Mole beforehand, but they have reasoning backing both reads and it isn’t as scummy as I previously thought. Againnnnn would flip gorta before as they voted him before EOD.

Leafia/Mole

I think Leafia is fine ? Their progression on Mole makes sense and they basically scumread them all most all day. I think it’s a good look they’re the second vote on Mole too.

I forget if Leafia likes to bus, though. I also don’t think s!Mole immediately latches on to and focuses on their scummate, calling them town and generating a lot of content related to reading solely them. It feels more that Mole was TMIing Leafia town and trying to make content based on that to get townread.

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SO
IN CONCLUSION

soolit
Vulgard
CallMeIo
Leafia
CatLover

Derps
Conroy
Elphas
Wazza

Flameo
Wisp
Gorta

I gradually got less focused while doin this so if anything doesn’t make sense please point it out to me because im a dummy sometimes.

E: It’s 2:57 right now and I forgot I wanted to look at how Mole pushed on Wisp as well and if it could be distancing, so I’l do that after day starts and change my read if I need to.

They made this good post.
I’ll give them credit.

Within the next 7 posts their either contentless or they are just regarding the Mole Flip.

@sulit

@an_gorta_pratai

Mole and also I think this wagon is better /vote ash

uHhhH

@an_gorta_pratai

Really now? Katze also says that Mole is likely town and won’t vote Mole, so does Mole also have TMI?

@an_gorta_pratai

My defense of mole

@an_gorta_pratai

In regards to Moleland: I think mole is probably town. The paranoia of Leafia seems valid, Mole is pinging inactives for contribution, and their progression on slots like leafia seems fine. I just think this will flip town, but then again I haven’t seen too many Moleland scum games

@an_gorta_pratai

In terms of todays execution we always go ash. I don’t know why in the hell y’all are voting Mole, but I think Mole is town. I wouldn’t lock that in, but we don’t get rid of Mole today

@an_gorta_pratai

I would rather vote to no execute or vote a vanity wagon before I voted mole and voting any other wagon just balances it and puts it in the hands of mafia

@an_gorta_pratai

If we aren’t CFD’ing I am not voting because I will not vote my top town read

@an_gorta_pratai

I will also not give scum the chance to pick between the wagons

@an_gorta_pratai

Can I ask why we moved to mole vs ash?

@an_gorta_pratai

Mole is not a wolf here

@an_gorta_pratai

/no execute for now

@an_gorta_pratai

because it’s either voting my top town read of having it balance

@an_gorta_pratai

They are town

@an_gorta_pratai

Mole and also I think this wagon is better /vote ash

Did you even read my posts @Leafia?

@an_gorta_pratai

Most of my ISO is me defending mole, which contradicts your statement about me “not defending anyone”.

@an_gorta_pratai

What part of “no one touch Mole” isn’t hard defending?

@an_gorta_pratai

Why in the hell are you doing this? I need to look at that slot again, but I don’t think Mole is a wolf

@an_gorta_pratai

I will re-eval that slot in a bit, but I don’t think Mole is a wolf here

@an_gorta_pratai

That’s one of the reasons I think Mole is town. Scum!mole could easily bury Leafia, but Mole shifted a sr into a tr on Leafia. The only possible way Mole is a wolf off of that is if Leafia is also a wolf doing some 4d scum theatrics

@an_gorta_pratai

I don’t have much more to say here. I still think this is likely town, but I don’t like the stuff about JOAT cover. I think the JOAT stuff could just be a difference of opinion though. I suppose you could say I have less of a TR on mole for it, but I don’t think I can call that slot scum yet

@an_gorta_pratai

/vote Flameo I haven’t liked this slot at all. You can bury me for it and if you think I am wrong then don’t follow, but I want to see Flameo go

rmeosithuiht

does

does a scum even

say this

about a scummate

Then comes this one which I’m not sure is really that contenty. It’s more of a question.

The next post after this was just a quoted post and pinging Vulgard.

@sulit

main point of the read is I think Mole was jsut TMIing Leafia town and trying to generate content based on that to get townread

This post came after a contentless post of a bunch of “Z’s”.

@sulit

i don’t really see it

it’s in leafia’s townrange I think but I don’t really trust my read on their actual posts which was why I mainly looked at mole interactions instead

shrug

Then 1 contentless post and this to finish off their Day 3 ISO of “14” posts.

[CallMeIo]

Like Suilt is slowly losing WIM.
Which according to Katze is a scum tell.

[Intensify]

@CallMeIo

@Intensify
Suilt’s in your SR’s right?
Vote them please.

You seem really dead set on executing them today. Kinda odd, but really it could come from both town or scum.
Anyways, I will not vote Sulit right now.
Like I said, I am only 400 posts in and voting someone just because of 400 posts while there is 3000 posts total is not good, and is definitely not a good way to do this. When I finish the thread, I will make my decision on who I think is currently scum.

[CallMeIo]

Fair enough.

[Intensify]

Anyways I go back to reading this thread.

[CallMeIo]

Although if EoD hits and you haven’t finished reading will you still vote someone for EoD?

[CallMeIo]

@Intensify

Anyways I go back to reading this thread.

Ah.
Looks like you plan on making sure it gets done before EoD then.
Carry on.

[Intensify]

I’m gonna be skim reading this very quickly so I will most likely finish reading. If EoD hits and I somehow have not finished reading, I will not vote. I do not want to mess up anything that might have been planned.

[CallMeIo]

I like this response and I’m no longer uncertain where I stand on your slot.