[VFM] JoaT^2 - (6/15) - 😹 Pirates (Town) Win!

[CallMeIo]

Everything you’ve been doing so far has been ^Rand Town

[an_gorta_pratai]

@Leafia

To save their life duh. Bussing doesn’t potentially give you as much cred as you think it does and people make dumb decisions all the time. It doesn’t mean they’re townie.

Really now? If I recall correctly App was cleared for shooting Nappy in CFM2 (a game that you were a wolf in), so you should know how powerful bussing can be

@Leafia

It’s true too. I’ll be shocked if you flip v.

I am not a damn wolf and you know it.

@Leafia

Plus, your argument about you never hard defending your scum buddies is the perfect reason why you would hard defend your wolf buddy here. Because it’s unsuspected for you as a wolf and you were likely hoping that you could get towncred by hard defending him by using the argument that you’re using now. A better question would be why where you seeing a wolf as town when he wasn’t particularly townie?

What? My gut was damn wrong and it has been before, but usually my gut is pretty damn good. I got no real scum pings until the whole JOAT think kind of gave me ??? pings, but I just thought it was a difference of opinion. You can note that my read slightly changed after re-reading Mole, but I wrote it off as a difference of opinion. I was wrong and town can be wrong, so you need to get your head out of the damn tunnel and find an actual wolf

[Flameo]

@an_gorta_pratai

so you need to get your head out of the damn tunnel and find an actual wolf

This suggests you don’t think Leafia is a wolf?

If not, why don’t you find an actual wolf?

[Flameo]

@CallMeIo

Moleland Amount of Interactions with each alive player

Leafia - 30
Io - 9
Wisp - 14
CatLover - 19
Flameo - 13
Suilt - 1 (on day of Mole’s yeet)
Wazza - 6
Vulgard - 26
Gorta - 6
Centuries - 4
Derps - 2

Ok I find this real odd concerning Suilt here.
However as for Leafia I don’t believe Scum interacts that much with their scum buddies.
Like at the start of Day 1 Mole interacts with Leafia and continues forward.
Doesn’t feel like something a W/W would ever do.
As for Suilt let me check how much posts they have.

I think this is a weak argument, considering you might as well have pulled Derps/Centuries/Wazza from this. I didn’t count again and look at the interactions, but this isn’t a strong argument just for Sulit.

@CallMeIo

@Elephas

Katze’s reads:

sulit

@katze

i dont get why me predicting what you’d do is town AI of me

and i obviously disagree that im conscious about what i post as scum even though my last wolf game would support that theory, every other wolf game i’ve had (bar my very first) doesn’t support this

@katze

meta wise sulits doing okay

i was on her ass in her first few posts in her last wolf game and she’s kind of repeated something that pinged me in said wolf game (giving me an early townread) except in that game her justification was objectively false whereas here it feels more natural and, well, isn’t objectively false

@katze

sulit actually making a push on D1 is >rand V

bonus points because it felt real

@katze

fair

my standards are slightly low for a sulit D1 push and i think she met them

its more the fact that shes not just hiding in the sidelines and making shy noises really

@katze

when sulit is a wolf they don’t want to exist

when sulit is a villager they usually want to exist

sulit wants to exist

sulit is very likely to be town

if sulits WiM suddenly drops in the next day (Day 2) then be very cautious of them as they can somewhat feign wanting to exist as a wolf but struggle to keep up the facade for long

her WiM sometimes dies as a villager too but its usually much later in the game

@katze

Why

I’ll admit she’s been somewhat absent in the latter half of today but her first half of the day was fairly towny

Also when you saw my read list you didn’t even comment on sulit despite voting her, whys that

@katze

In the former half of the day I’d disagree with your assessment

I probably should be a bit more concerned on how they’ve slowed down

@katze

I don’t see it

I think if she continues to not exist that she should be yeeted tomorrow maybe

Not really considering a soolit yet today tho

He gives sulit a tentative townlean based on meta, then states that their push on Wazza is a good look. Please pay attention to the fact that katze said that if sulit drops in activity, they are likely scum. This is important to note.
Make sure this player stays active, and make sure they are providing real content, not just posting to look active.

He also mentioned this like I did and ended up being the NK over Vulgard who didn’t mention that.

Vulgard had more pushers, like me, so it makes sense they weren’t night 1 kill. I still think Katze otherwise is an odd kill, but it makes sense to me that it wasn’t Vulgard.

@CallMeIo

Ok yeah.
@Vulgard
@Flameo
@SirDerpsAlot

Their WIM Dropped Significantly.

Suilt’s Post Count - 183
Day 1: 106
Day 2: 63
Day 3: 14

Their Day 2 Count is Half of their Day 1 Posts +10.
They haven’t really posted much this Day.

They had a giant post at start of day though. I’m not going to swap lynch based on one dead townies reads. Plus Elephas did that bolded thing for like 4/5 of Katze’s reads…

@Elephas

CallMeIo

@katze

i didnt really remember too many of their posts initially so i took a reread

i dont really feel like they’re doing anything except making their own towncore

like they feel like they just exist in thread and i don’t feel like they add very much to it

@CallMeIo

However, I feel that Flameo’s response was genuine. I think scum would have said it differently.

He might be scum but I’m not going to jump to any conclusions yet.

like this is a unique thought

but there’s no meat to this bone, and the conclusion is second guessing themselves

@Leafia

Leafia: The hosts messed up and gave me her rolecard. Locktown.

@CallMeIo

Call me Bias.

But I TR Leafia for Bolded .

this too

why do you TR leafia for a joke that isn’t that uncommon on this site

the quotes kinda broke so im quarantining them here

@CallMeIo

@Moleland

@CallMeIo

Even though I’m Town)

[/quote]

What does this even mean?
[/quote]

It means that my Rolecard is Green!

@CallMeIo

@Moleland

@Moleland

@CallMeIo

(Even though I’m Town)

[/quote]

What does this even mean?
[/quote]

This comment is a ‘Duh’ moment. There’s no reason to add the ‘Even though I’m town’ part of this post. It’s not like you can be friendly neutral in this game.

/Vote callmelo
[/quote]

Well I didn’t want anyone to jump to any conclusions.
If I didn’t say what I said someone might misunderstand what I’m trying to say.

@CallMeIo

@Moleland

But… Why was this comment needed?

[/quote]

Re-Quote my post and remove that comment and see for yourself.

@CallMeIo

@Wisp

Tempted to just policy vote Mole for 429

[/quote]

But will you?
/Vote Mole
How about now?

@CallMeIo

@Wisp

I have a wolf PoE of like

Elephas/ Mole /Flameo, dont know if that makes sense as a team, but on an individual level they all bring posts that I hate
[/quote]

I don’t mind this PoE.
Not sure on Flameo, but the other 2 seem fine.

@CallMeIo

Tier D - Good Chance to be Scum

Elephas
Mole

the progression on moleland here feels kinda wack

as far as i can tell i quoted every post in their ISO regarding moleland

wouldn’t mind seeing this player yeeted atm

wanna hear more progression from them though

I highlighted sentences that I think are important.

Also please ignore all of the [/quote]s. I was too lazy to fix every quote individually, and if I remove a single [/quote] it destroys the post.

This is one of katze’s strongest reads, as he ended up voting on this wagon at the end of the day, and even suggested a CFD to it.
I think it is very important that we make sure this player contributes to the thread , as katze said they are simply existing, and he wants to see more progression.
If katze was not killed in a PR hunt, this is another read that could have contributed to him being selected as the nightkill.

[quote=“Elephas, post:1568, topic:83078”]
Vulgard

[quote=“katze, post:310, topic:83078, full:true”]
my only reservation with vulgard at the moment is

posts

@katze

@Vulgard

This is the exact same reaction I got last time I correctly townread him as town, so yeah. Lock it in.

Something’s up with kat this game, I think. Their entrance felt… slow. Like they tried to settle into the thread as easily as possible (by voting sulit) instead of doing it naturally. Don’t know if it makes sense, but it’s worth a vote fmpov.

/vote katze
[/quote]

elaborate on this thought
[/quote]

@Vulgard

I no longer think that after you wrote this, so any explanation is going to be moot.

@katze

what post of mine changed your mind?

@Vulgard

Literally the one I responded to, I think the way you’re handling my slot is very consistent with your villagery thought process in the last FoL.

But this time, we can actually solve the game together instead of going after each other. You in?

i don’t fully understand or follow his thought process here

it doesn’t feel natural?

but the rest of his posting seems fine

i’ll probably have a 100% read on vulgard by EoD anyway

@katze

their posts were most likely written by a villager

that’s the easiest way to describe my read on him but i know he hates it so i’ll try to explain it as best as i can

when vulgard is a villager, his posts have a certain level of genuineness that he is really not good at replicating as a wolf

his level of fake solving as a wolf is good at face value, but when you look at it under a microscope they’re much weaker posts than when he’s a villager

and his posts have not felt like his wolf posts

but generally when vulgard is a villager you’ll see one post and its like

“this post cannot ever come from wolf!Vulgard”

i have not seen that post

but i don’t hate his posts

so he’s probably just town

@katze

i saw him in thread and remembered that i hadn’t seen much of him for a while

like i said in my thoughts posts he didn’t have that one post that convinced me he was a villager yet

but his posting has been fine and since then (just caught up) I think he’s still moderately towny

still haven’t seen the post to lock it in though

(also the wording was half a reference to a prior game)

@katze

at the end of it i didn’t scumread him

i thought those specific posts were odd but i thought the rest of his posts were fine

when vulgard is a wolf i usually hate almost all of his posts, especially his entrances and when he’s under pressure

@katze

i just realized vulgards opening posts are selfvoting and calling himself a wolf (historically they’re more memey as a wolf but they’ve toned their memeiness up as a villager somewhat)

and the fact they’re still yet to write a post that never comes from wolfgard

@katze

dont think i’d yeet him today still

but had i seen that earlier i’d probably have been more wary on him

I highlighted the sentences I see as important.

In an early post, katze said that he is fairly comfortable reading Vulgard, and likely the best in the thread at doing so. He stated that by the end of the day, he would have a “100% read,” yet states that Vulgard is probably a villager. This is not 100%.

I do think that if katze were killed for any of his reads, it is very likely this one.
Although he ended up townleaning Vulgard, it is quite clear that katze is good at reading this player, and if katze were not killed early, he may have called Vulgard out as scum.

If katze were killed late, this read would likely be treated almost as a check upon his VT flip.

WAIT. You literally bolded that stuff yourself… this is a massive cherrypick, wouldn’t you say?

What do you think about Sulit posting about Elephas as part of their giantpost at start of day? It didn’t feel fake to me.

@Flameo

@sulit

I really don’t like how Elphas left a vote on ash and was there for EOD but didn’t really do much afterwards, but I’ve found them towny otherwise so I’d probably save this if I ever make it to Lylo <small which is doubtful.

@sulit

Elphas

I wonder if Sulit makes this giantpost mentioning Elephas in advance, while actively already knowing they are going to kill Elephas and only in unlikely situations where they would be JOAT healed, this would be of merit. I’m guessing unlikely.

[Vulgard]

@Leafia

Leafia: I have my reservations about this slot as it really puzzles me Her push on Gorta so early in the day seems pretty scummy to me and they’re a known hard busser, so I can see why people would be scumreading her. Hmmm, her interaction with Mole does paint her in a good light as Mole was clearly trying to make her look scummy. She’s been more re evaluatily and is making her own reads too, but whether that’s a sign of an improving scumgame or a towngame is hard to tell for certain. I’ll have to ISO her later to be s- wait. This is me. Oops. This is town. I’m as sure of it as I am about Vulgard being town.

guys now I’m wondering if Leafia is funnier as town or mafia to get a more solid read

[Flameo]

Aah I wanted to say more, but late for work. I think the double “don’t know Elephas slip” from whatever new person gives me quite a null read ultimately, will explain later bye.

[an_gorta_pratai]

@Flameo

This suggests you don’t think Leafia is a wolf?

I went into Leafia’s ISO with an open mind and came out with a scum read

[Vulgard]

@Leafia

Derps: He’s making a lot of godawful pushes and defending obvious wolves but sadly, this is town AI for him. I did read through Hell in a Cell where he was scum and this feels closer to his town games than he did there.

Wazza: Not sure how to read him right now, but giving off a slightly townie vibe currently. His reaction to my confusion regarding his slot seems townish to me as I feel scum would’ve handled that differently.

Centuries: I don’t remember much from him so I don’t really have a good or even bad read on him, but GTH, I’d slightly townish.

PK: He replaced in for one of my towncore so now he’s in my towncore in CatLover’s place.
Vulgard: My top townread and the only one that it’s impossible for me to be wrong about. Clearly town.

Gorta: Very clearly scum. His defense of himself at the start of D3 was godawful and included OMGUSing me and being ultra LAMIST. I honestly can’t see how anyone could possibly think he’s town here. He’s virtually openwolfing here and he was even scummy before EoD1. The ones TRing him need to take a close look on his slot and re eval.

sulit: Not too sure about this slot. I remember TRing her but I can’t really recall why exactly. It doesn’t help that I keep getting her confused with Wiisp.

CallMeIo: I desperately want lo here to be town as I’d love a world where she’s town, but her reads and how sure she is of everything have me slightly doubting that such a world exists. I still TL them though although that may be due to me wanting her to be town so badly.
Elephas: Considering that they’re a dead flipped townie, I’m equally as confident that they’re town as I am about Vulgard being town.

Leafia: I have my reservations about this slot as it really puzzles me Her push on Gorta so early in the day seems pretty scummy to me and they’re a known hard busser, so I can see why people would be scumreading her. Hmmm, her interaction with Mole does paint her in a good light as Mole was clearly trying to make her look scummy. She’s been more re evaluatily and is making her own reads too, but whether that’s a sign of an improving scumgame or a towngame is hard to tell for certain. I’ll have to ISO her later to be s- wait. This is me. Oops. This is town. I’m as sure of it as I am about Vulgard being town.

Moleland: I’m as sure of him being scuum as I am about Gorta being scum. Considering he’s a dead flipped scum, that’s saying something.

Ash: I have no idea why people were scumreading him honestly, although he has dropped off the radar after EoD1. Considering that’s when he was yeeted though, that’s completely understandable.

Katze: Another slot I wasn’t sure about all of D1. RIP you townie you. You were an excellent cat and we’ll win this for you.

Wiisp: Pretty sure this is town at the moment. She’s had a very townie feel to her ever since the second half of D1.

Flameo: I’m slightly confident that he’s town. Although if I’m misclearing scum, this slot and Wazza are the most likely candidates.

This post looks like you had to force yourself to have exactly two potential scumreads, since there are two wolves alive.

Not sure what it means for your alignment, but I’m leaning mafia.

[Wazza]

If you suspect them, vote them with me.

[Vulgard]

@Intensify

Anyways just curious, haven’t read the thread yet, how’s my slot looking?

Fairly strong town independently, and the flipped wolf called you scum all game.

[Vulgard]

@CallMeIo

@Leafia

To save their life duh. Bussing doesn’t potentially give you as much cred as you think it does and people make dumb decisions all the time. It doesn’t mean they’re townie.

Stop making yourself look more scummy.
Think about what your posting before you post it.

This sure is a post.

Also, noting that both sulit and Mole TRed each other for thin reasons this game at some point.

[Vulgard]

I’m in more of a sulit/Leafia/gorta headspace tbh. I keep flip-flopping on Leafia.

[an_gorta_pratai]

We need to keep in mind that Leafia is a hard busser and they started calling Mole scum at post 100 and kept focusing on them almost primarily during both days

Leafia interactions with Mole

@Leafia

Townreading me this early without even explaining why? Is this an attempt to pocket me?

@Leafia

No. That’s not a meme.

@Leafia

I honestly don’t like Mole’s tone right now and Elephas has improved a bit in my eyes so I think Sulit might have the right idea. Let’s apply some pressure here and see what develops.

/Vote Moleland @Arete

@Leafia

I hate that meme because it sucks so much. You’re the one uninterested in being very townie.

@Leafia

Both of those are false. There’s never anything funny about intentionally antagonizing someone which ruins their ability to enjoy the game. Now stop it.

@Leafia

You overused it massively.

@Leafia

You should read the entire game before posting.

@Leafia

So you know everything that has gone on.

@Leafia

Skimming isn’t reading. Without reading, how do you expect to be able to solve the game?

@Leafia

Exactly why reading is better than skimming. If doesn’t even take very long.

@Leafia

Here’s my current read on Mole and why. Slight scumlean at the moment because he seems completely uninterested in solving the game and figuring out who the scum is.

@Leafia

No. Just you at the moment. Why would I be scumreading 12 players?

@Leafia

So? Most of them aren’t even here and those that are are at least reading through the game and trying to solve things. All except for you.

@Leafia

You literally admitted that you’re not. You literally said that you only skimmed the thread.

@Leafia

There’s value in looking at all posts.

@Leafia

Calling it now for postgame cred. Scumteam is Mole, Centuries, and Wiisp. Honestly though, I’ll be pretty pleasantly surprised if I’m correct here.

They also agree with Mole on certain things despite heavily scum reading them on the anti town JOAT cover

@Leafia

That’s actually a good idea I think.

Leafia’s d3 posting has been awful as well

Leafia d3 posts that ping me

@Leafia

I feel bad for ever doubting Elephas for a second now and I told everyone that Mole was scum. It seems my first assessment of him antagonizing me to try to make me look scummy was right. So, he has nothing really to apologize for. He was just trying to make me look scummy so town wouldn’t trust me, so he didn’t do anything wrong. He was just trying to win, so I guess we can be friends Mole. You’re not as bad as I thought you were.

This paints Gorta in a terrible light too, as he was hard defending Mole for no real reason EoD2. I personally think that Derps was just misguided. Him being a wolf isn’t impossible though.

@Leafia

As for Derps saying that Gorta is very likely a villager, I’m placing the same amount of trust in that that I placed in him saying that Mole is a villager at EoD 2. While I do think he’s town, I trust his judgement on who scum and town are even less than I could throw an Elephant.

@Leafia

Yeah, I’m a big busser, although in the one scumgame I had with Mole as a teammate, we were at each other’s throats the entire time he was alive.

@Leafia

I agree completely with this. That and trying to make me look scummy in the process. He said it surprised him that I didn’t get all defensive and LAMIST, and I believe him when he says that. He expected me to go all LAMIST and probably wanted me to be theD1 misyeet.

I’m going to listen to and trust Elephas. Vulgard is a villager.

@Leafia

I think you get almost as much as I do honestly considering I was hard going after Mole near the end of both days and I was the first to call out Mole for being wolfy.

That being said, another thing that needs to be done today I think is resolving Gorta’s slot.

/vote Gorta @Arete

I doubt I’ll change this vote at all today, unless Gorta improves massively. Right now, I’m 85% sure that Gorta is a wolf as well, and considering at EoD 2 I was 95% sure that Mole was a wolf, that’s saying a lot.There was a small part of my brain saying What if I’m wrong and Mole is town? that was only silenced upon seeing his flip, which was definitely a relief to me admittedly. EoD2 was stressful, but in the end, we yeeted a wolf.

@Leafia

I’m not saying I should be completely clear due to it and there’s nothing BS about my accusation and I think that you know it. What you’re doing now is just making me suspect you even more.

I’ll admit that if I was a wolf and you were a town in this situation, what I’m doing now is exactly what I would do, but the reverse is also true. You need to take other things into consideration while trying to solve my slot, like how Mole acted towards me among other things. If you take just one thing as proof of someone’;s alignment, you’re just asking to towncore a wolf or misyeet a town. You need to look at the whole picture.

If I was someone else who knew my playstyle as well as I do, I’d be reading myself as a townlean currently. Could still be a wolf but is slightly more likely to be a villager. I’m guessing the uninformed spec chat reads me as close to that, although I can see how someone could scumlean me even now, as I have done at least a few scummy things.

Plus, you never explained why you hard defended Mole, who happened to be scum. That’s what a villager would’ve done I think. A villager would understand me scumreading them after how you hard defended Mole.

@Leafia

I’,m honestly surprised that Ele was the N2 kill and I think I know why the wolves killed him too. In the hopes of making Vulgard look bad. They saw that Ele trusted Vulgard completely and knew that they had to die. They were also likely worried that Elephas would be townreading me after Mole’s flip, which I doubt is something the wolves want.

Trust me when I say this fellow townies, but there’;s absolutely no world where Elephas dies N2 that has Vulgard as a wolf. If Vulgard was a wolf, then Elephas would be alive right now. Vulgard is as locked town as hew’d be if he was a revealed IC in my eyes right now.

@Leafia

Right now, Gorta is TMIing me as town I think.

@Leafia

Here’s my new and improved readslist.

an_gorta_pratai

VVV

Leafia
Vulgard
Derps

VV

Wiisp
Sulit
Callmelo

V

Flameo

W

Centuries
Wazza

WW

Gorta

PoE being

Gorta/Wazza/Centuries/Flameo

I honestly hate how few scumreads I have as it means at least one if not both of the wolves are being miscleared by me. Flameo is the one I’m most likely to be wrong about honestly.

@Leafia

Derps: He’s making a lot of godawful pushes and defending obvious wolves but sadly, this is town AI for him. I did read through Hell in a Cell where he was scum and this feels closer to his town games than he did there.

Wazza: Not sure how to read him right now, but giving off a slightly townie vibe currently. His reaction to my confusion regarding his slot seems townish to me as I feel scum would’ve handled that differently.

Centuries: I don’t remember much from him so I don’t really have a good or even bad read on him, but GTH, I’d slightly townish.

PK: He replaced in for one of my towncore so now he’s in my towncore in CatLover’s place.
Vulgard: My top townread and the only one that it’s impossible for me to be wrong about. Clearly town.

Gorta: Very clearly scum. His defense of himself at the start of D3 was godawful and included OMGUSing me and being ultra LAMIST. I honestly can’t see how anyone could possibly think he’s town here. He’s virtually openwolfing here and he was even scummy before EoD1. The ones TRing him need to take a close look on his slot and re eval.

sulit: Not too sure about this slot. I remember TRing her but I can’t really recall why exactly. It doesn’t help that I keep getting her confused with Wiisp.

CallMeIo: I desperately want lo here to be town as I’d love a world where she’s town, but her reads and how sure she is of everything have me slightly doubting that such a world exists. I still TL them though although that may be due to me wanting her to be town so badly.
Elephas: Considering that they’re a dead flipped townie, I’m equally as confident that they’re town as I am about Vulgard being town.

Leafia: I have my reservations about this slot as it really puzzles me Her push on Gorta so early in the day seems pretty scummy to me and they’re a known hard busser, so I can see why people would be scumreading her. Hmmm, her interaction with Mole does paint her in a good light as Mole was clearly trying to make her look scummy. She’s been more re evaluatily and is making her own reads too, but whether that’s a sign of an improving scumgame or a towngame is hard to tell for certain. I’ll have to ISO her later to be s- wait. This is me. Oops. This is town. I’m as sure of it as I am about Vulgard being town.

Moleland: I’m as sure of him being scuum as I am about Gorta being scum. Considering he’s a dead flipped scum, that’s saying something.

Ash: I have no idea why people were scumreading him honestly, although he has dropped off the radar after EoD1. Considering that’s when he was yeeted though, that’s completely understandable.

Katze: Another slot I wasn’t sure about all of D1. RIP you townie you. You were an excellent cat and we’ll win this for you.

Wiisp: Pretty sure this is town at the moment. She’s had a very townie feel to her ever since the second half of D1.

Flameo: I’m slightly confident that he’s town. Although if I’m misclearing scum, this slot and Wazza are the most likely candidates.

Right out of the gate Leafia keeps bringing up things about being on Moles’s case since d1, admits thats what she would do as a wolf and pushes me without considering a world in which I am town. I didn’t start to think that Leafia was a wolf until I saw her d3 posts

[an_gorta_pratai]

@Vulgard

I’m in more of a sulit/Leafia/gorta headspace tbh. I keep flip-flopping on Leafia.

From Katze’s reads and Leafia’s actions I think it could be Leafia/Mole/Sulit

[Vulgard]

I feel like the two of you shouldn’t thunderdome yourselves and should evaluate other players, too.

Right now, I’m convinced we have a winning PoE and there’s no reason to think we don’t considering the flips have been proving me right so far. So maybe yeeting sulit/gorta/Leafia in any order = we just win?

I kinda feel like Leafia being very inflexible here is town indicative for her, though, because she’s limiting her wolf options to push people. She’s just pushing one person and if gorta’s town, his flip makes her look bad.

On the other hand, gorta has only managed to level up when he is a solid yeet candidate. He was one on day 1, too, but ash wagon had advantage over his.

[Vulgard]

I don’t like the fact my towncore members keep getting replaced, but we’ll just have to work from the established consensus. We did get a wolf by going that way, so it’s probably safe to keep going until we happen to misyeet villagers again.

[an_gorta_pratai]

I would say 75% of Leafia’s d1 and d2 posts this game have been focused on Mole, which is the trademark of a bus in my opinion. Ans was also the first to “suspect” CRich in SFoL 61.5 and I think the same thing could be happening here

[Vulgard]

@Vulgard

I kinda feel like Leafia being very inflexible here is town indicative for her, though, because she’s limiting her wolf options to push people. She’s just pushing one person and if gorta’s town, his flip makes her look bad.

On the other hand, gorta has only managed to level up when he is a solid yeet candidate. He was one on day 1, too, but ash wagon had advantage over his.

At this point there are arguments against both of you, and taking you both to YeetLo is going to end poorly, so I’d rather remove at least one of you from the game beforehand.

[Vulgard]

Yeeting Leafia is going to make me feel bad if she’s town, and the same applies to gorta, but we gotta do what we gotta do, right?

I need a VC before I make any further decisions.

[Arete]

Vote Count

Vote Target	Voted by	Votes
an_gorta_pratai	Leafia, Intensify, Flameo	3/6
Flameo	SirDerpsAlot	1/6
Leafia	Wazza	1/6
sulit	CallMeIo	1/6

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