This is so weird and itās the thing that pinged me the most early game
You donāt need to feel bad for yeeting me, even though Iām town. I know itās necessary after all, and I can feel satisfied knowing that if Iām yeeted, itāll help town get on the right track. Also, if I was a wolf, do you really think Iād be pushing this hard on a villager knowing how bad Iād look when he flipped V? The on;ly possible world where Iām wolf has Gorta as my scumbuddy for just that reason. As to whether Iād push him this hard if he was my scumbuddy, I can honestly see myself doing it right now in a world where weāre both wolves. Sure, it would be risky, but the benefits of being a deepwolf greatly outweigh the risks and you all know how good I am of convincing others that Iām town as a wolf.
ok from my pov it goes (unordered)
++
Vulgard
Leafia
Intensify
Flameo
==
SDA
Io
PK
Gorta
ā
Wazza
Sulit
I think this is also a good look for Leafia if I had to be honest
Scum Leafia cares more about her slot
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Iām not completely against this because if Iām executed, youāll likely be next when they see that Iām town.
Vote Count
| Vote Target | Voted by | Votes |
|---|---|---|
| an_gorta_pratai | Intensify, Flameo | 2/6 |
| Flameo | SirDerpsAlot | 1/6 |
| Leafia | Wazza, Vulgard, an_gorta_pratai | 3/6 |
| sulit | CallMeIo, Leafia | 2/6 |
Ping me if I missed any votes
Vote Count
| Vote Target | Voted by | Votes |
|---|---|---|
| an_gorta_pratai | Intensify, Flameo | 2/6 |
| Flameo | SirDerpsAlot | 1/6 |
| Leafia | Wazza, an_gorta_pratai | 2/6 |
| sulit | CallMeIo, Leafia, Vulgard | 3/6 |
Ping me if I missed any votes
What do you think about my points on Sulit?
Two takes on the gamestate.
- Wolves are doing fuck all.
That would be consistent with how Mole got yeeted. Six votes, five from solid townreads and the sixth one from Leafia. No counterwagons that gained a lot of traction, no solid defenses other than soft defenses and Derpsā discrediting of my push without evidence / arguments. The wagon on Mole was rather stale and the movement on Flameo was too little, too late. Mole was playing in an underwhelming way, and yet possibly wasnāt getting bussed day 1, depending on how you look at it.
My thoughts about this are not very organized, but itās a possible universe.
Looking back at day 1 major wagons, itās not impossible wolf!gorta (or even wolf!mole) got saved by wolves. Both sulit and gorta being on ash is a thing, and their votes + Elephas propel the wagon above Mole. For gorta, Wiisp is the one propelling the wagon, but the wagon on gorta as a whole looks very pure. Two people who have been townread by most people in the game, plus a flipped villager.
By comparison, Leafiaās vote on Io looks pretty much useless, same with Wazzaās. Itās okay for wolves to create two V counterwagons, assuming Io is town, but Mole had two votes, so wolves needed a wagon with at least three. Piling on gorta / ash seems like the easiest way to achieve that. And, conveniently, CatLover/Wiisp/Flameo/gorta/sulit did just that.
I know sulit has already declared she wasnāt around at EoD, but looking at this in a vacuum, thatās pretty much the truth.
Of the people I listed, I think CatLover/Wiisp/Flameo have been independently towny enough to remove them from the pile. Also, gortaās vote could just be seen as self-pres on ash, admittedly. If we had w/w/v wagons day 1, then wolves really want to be on ash to get a misyeet. That looks very damning for Flameo, if we ignore everything else.
Knowing gortaās alignment is paramount here, because it lets us know if wolves were piling on ash as the only village option or not.
Also, no idea what Moleās vote is doing on Wiisp. I suppose he wasnāt available at EoD? Wolves mightāve felt safe, since sulit also wasnāt around at EoD and happens to be my suspect. Going that route, gorta might be town.
If gorta/ash are both town, it would benefit wolves to split their votes instead of piling.
I donāt think this VCA is getting me anywhere.
- Wolves hardbussed and are sitting pretty in the wagon.
Thatās pretty much only an option if Leafia is a wolf, from my point of view, possibly with CatLover. Iām town, Elephas flipped town, and Wiisp was hardpushed by Mole all game.
In that world, Leafia would be playing in a rather suicidal way right now, despite being in a good spot as the second voter on Mole and someone who openly argued with him in the thread. That said, it would be a world where we might struggle to solve.
Thatāsā¦ it. This direction of solving isnāt really helping me.
I think the game isnāt easily solvable if we donāt yeet gorta eventually, given what has been happening with the wagons.
Oh no, I agree with your definition. I shade/diminish credibility of my scumreads, because scum should not get a louder voice than town or be listened to more. Shading people is not just a scum activity in the same vein that slanking wouldnāt be. You should look at the motivations, not the actions.
What I did to you was not solely shade. It was also part pressure/part genuine scumread.
Of course, thereās also the world where wolves had literally no influence over EoD, which would be consistent with who the final votes on each wagon were cast by. Flameo (solid townread), Wiisp (solid townread), me (town), Leafia (possibly town). Mole wasted his vote completely, sulit wasnāt even around to swap it, and gorta self-pressed. Given how strongly I feel about our towncore, that might be exactly the world we live in. A world where wolves donāt have anything to do / donāt want anything to do.
The fact Mole was rather deflated and didnāt know where to push might also indicate that no wolf agenda exists and the mafia are just trying to survive. Which would point in the direction of the players least inclined to solve.
I donāt think Mole really hardpushed anyone. Iām on mobile, so canāt do fancy quotes and what not.
Which is exactly why I think the wolves might just beā¦ in a terrible position, and are not doing anything. He wasnāt doing anything in thread, just posting and existing.
Other players who remind me of that are sulit and gorta (until he leveled up).
I think gorta should go first if we think about it that way, because his flip also has the added benefit of letting us see what the wagons were at EoD 1.
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I specifically mean here that he wasnāt āhardpushingā Wisp all game. I really miss my quotes.