[VFM] JoaT^2 - (6/15) - 😹 Pirates (Town) Win!

[CallMeIo]

Not sure if this is a slip or not.
But you pointed out that you had them as your “N0” check.
And now you suddenly forgot what you posted?

[CallMeIo]

I know the “N0” check isn’t an actual check but I don’t like how you didn’t even bring it up here.

[Centuries]

@Flameo

Some preliminary thoughts

The Katze/Sulit exchange makes me think that they are not a scum team, because the exchange is just too weird to start out like that if that makes sense? I don’t see them planning that out like that. I would like more of an explanation on Sulit’s part of the townread if that was legit.

@Elephas

I agree with this list in its entirety.

I like this response to being in a scumlist, because having a level of sarcasm in a response to being suspected (even jokingly) shows being comfortable in thread.

@Flameo

I don’t like this post. Like yeah, that could be true, but the ball needs to get rolling somehow and you don’t seem too interested into getting it rolling.

/vote CallMelo

@Flameo

Contradiction in this post for me. You apparently say that they are easily pushable while having a deceptive amount of skill, yet you then locktown them for one post while they apparently had a deceptive amount of skill according to you.

@Flameo

You had to throw in two conditionals here…, yet still found it valid enough for a vote? Why not take more of my overall posts into account?

@Flameo

I find it funny that you follow it up with this, while I have had the same take, but you didn’t mention any of that association. Have you read all my posts?

@Flameo

I am asking, if there was a better candidate at that time, that I should have voted, was I properly scumhunting. You’d prefer if I had reached the conclusion that everyone was town and I should just vote someone that hadn’t posted? I made that vote, because I thought that was the best vote I could make at that time.

@Flameo

Have you read all my posts though? As for the point, my brain works in a way that if someone aligns exactly with my reads, they are likely of the same alignment, so if I find myself agreeing with a lot of a player’s reads, I typically think they are town, so it should have some weight. I can elaborate more on this if wanted, but honestly this feels kind of 101, so I’ll leave it at this.

@Flameo

I will have to head to sleep soon again sadly and didn’t fully catch up. You really post a lot on here.

I read up on most of the lower posters and these are my conclusions. They are a bit rushed, because I’d prefer to case more people individually then making this more elaborate and ended up spending too much time and I’m getting a bit tired. Please ask me for clarification on something you’d disagree with. I addressed most of these people all my posts.

Catlover, town*
Elephas, town*
SirDerps, townier
Wazza, townier
Centuries, null
CallMeIo, null
Katze scummier
Ash, scummier

The asterisk means they’d require more reevaluation after flips, because they seem skilled, but for this day, I’d never want to lynch them.

I will be back around 2 hours before EoD to read up. Kind of unfortunate, but that’s how my schedule is. I didn’t expect this volume of posts to be honest.

/vote ash4fun

Honestly the posts that aren’t made for the sake of matching are pretty good

I’ll probably end up moving this up in my reads

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@Vulgard

“You should be doing things right now” is a wolfy excuse for an early vote on someone. That type of vote is also almost exclusively aimed at a villager (if it comes from a wolf).

also I like this even if the argument itself is really eh

[katze]

@CallMeIo

I know the “N0” check isn’t an actual check but I don’t like how you didn’t even bring it up here.

the n0 check was a meme because i liked their name

why would i bring it up any more than i have while discussing my reads

[Wazza]

There’s…nothing for me to add.

So why should I add stuff,
If there’s nothing to add?

[CallMeIo]

@katze

@CallMeIo

I know the “N0” check isn’t an actual check but I don’t like how you didn’t even bring it up here.

the n0 check was a meme because i liked their name

why would i bring it up any more than i have while discussing my reads

So you only use that once?
Shouldn’t that go with your actual read?

[Wisp]

i told myself I’m not gunna bother with you, I have my read, you do you, if you don’t eventually give reads or do something to progress this game day 2, I will just have you yeeted

[Wisp]

@CallMeIo

So you only use that once?
Shouldn’t that go with your actual read?

what are you talking about here

[katze]

@CallMeIo

@katze

@CallMeIo

I know the “N0” check isn’t an actual check but I don’t like how you didn’t even bring it up here.

the n0 check was a meme because i liked their name

why would i bring it up any more than i have while discussing my reads

So you only use that once?
Shouldn’t that go with your actual read?

dude there’s no N0 checks why the fuck would i incorporate a meme into my actual reading of someone

[CallMeIo]

Huh can’t find it in your ISO.
Thought you used that reason before.

[katze]

@katze

CatLover

locktown because of their name and the fact they’re my hypoclaimed N0 check

i used it as a joke reason

and then explained my actual read on them in the same post

[Wazza]

No but your ‘read’ was just you saying that I disgust you.

And you talk about me being toxic.

[Elephas]

@ash4fun

SirDerpsALot - Nulltown - Quite a few of these posts look low-effort, and that makes them look a bit agenda-y. But there’s other posts that just don’t make as much sense from scum, as well as a healthy bit of analysis later on. tbh this one could go either way.

@ash4fun

Vulgard - Scumlean - A ton of energy even out of the gate. Lots of posts and opinions, which I sorta like. But also, the reasoning behind a lot of this stuff seems kinda lacking to me. Idk but a fair bit makes more sense to me from scum than from town.

@ash4fun

Wisp - Scumlean - There’s a lot of free opinions floating about. I feel like a lot of what they’ve done could easily be tmireads or parroting town consensus. Nothing really jumps out to me as towny in any way.

Please provide examples of the bolded statements above.
I find it interesting that you say Wisp is parroting town consensus when they were the only person to vote or suspect me. If anything, people parroted them.

I would also like you to explain why you townread me, CatLover, and Flameo for solving? Solving in itself should not be considered alignment-indicative, as strong wolves are able to have “solvey energy.” I’d like you to focus on the how and why rather than the what.

@ash4fun

I’m not even gonna joke that I’m obvtown, ik my posts have been super underwhelming so far. I’m probably not gonna be able to keep up at one point or another, but I’m trying to contribute as best I can with everything that’s going on.

@ash4fun

eh, it’s not a read of myself, more an opinion on my own performance so far. And as for underwhelming, content aside I’m at like 1/3 my usual posting by this point. And what’s there half of it is trying to make up for me being confusing.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to assess that I’m not doing so hot rn.

But I also know that’s not helping anything so I’ll shut up about it.

Quite self-aware.

@Wisp

rereading Ele, I dont know if I am ready to move him up
I really dislike how he progresses through the game
could be a playstyle difference, and a part of me kinda does want to imply Hanlan’s Razor, “Don’t assume malice when there probably is none” since he is doing stuff in his own way I guess

I like this post. We seem to have similar opinions on each-other in this regard. I will admit that attempting to view your slot from an objective perspective is a little difficult for me, as it is hard for me to understand your thought-process of… not liking my thought-process. I will attempt to do this after some sleep.

@Leafia

That’s a good question and I’m not sure I can explain it myself. I’d say I’m 30% sure Sulit is town.

This question was regarding Wiisp. Who you had as a townlean, and moved them to a townread without reasoning, from what I could see.

@CallMeIo

Not sure if this is a slip or not.
But you pointed out that you had them as your “N0” check.
And now you suddenly forgot what you posted?

@CallMeIo

I know the “N0” check isn’t an actual check but I don’t like how you didn’t even bring it up here.

@CallMeIo

So you only use that once?
Shouldn’t that go with your actual read?

… do you really believe this is alignment-indicative? I don’t truly believe that you believe this. Explain it please.

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I see that our top two wagons are Moleland and Ash. I remember disliking Mole earlier in this game, but I have genuinely forgotten everything they have said recently
I will have to read through this player. But I am quite tired, so I may put it off until the morning.

However, I am comfortable on this wagon:
/vote ash4fun @Arete @DatBird

[Arete]

Vote Count

Vote Target	Voted by	Votes
Wiisp	Moleland	1/8
Moleland	CallMeIo, Vulgard, Leafia, ash4fun	4/8
ash4fun	CatLover, Flameo, Wiisp, Elephas	4/8
Wazza	sulit	1/8
katze	Centuries	1/8
CallMeIo	katze	1/8
sulit	SirDerpsAlot	1/8

[Flameo]

@Wisp

@Flameo
remind of this unanswered question when u get a chance

@Flameo

@Wisp

The fact that flameo voted for Mole for not answering a question about reads 1 hour into game start, does not feel real to me.

Can you read that interaction again in full and see if you reach the same conclusion or explain more about what gives you this feeling?

@Flameo

@Wisp

Pressure votes are fine, pushing people early to get the ball rolling is good, but asking someone to force a read that early in the game, and then voting them because they don’t just doesnt feel genuine

maybe he will get better for me, who knows, but I think my micro read is correct as it stands

Oh, apologies, you did address it in some greater detail already. I’ll note she* again firstly. If you’d reread that I’d still hope you’d reach a different conclusion, but let me give you some context, because I think some other person also brought it up.

You townlean a player that is clearly doing their best to play at least and then another player is being unnecessarily abrasive to them. After trying to defuse that, they ignore what you tried to ask for (was some miscommunication here too) twice and continue to antagonize. I wanted to give him a taste of their own medicine and put the pressure on him to be honest. I also hoped on some level it would shock them into broadening their scope and start him talking about other players. I don’t think I got much AI out of it sadly, so I just reverted to my previous vote.

@Wisp

[Vulgard]

I like both wagons. What do I do?

Ash’s readlist had a few issues, some of which are related to the townreads being lazy (which someone has already brought up before me). In general, I get the impression he’s struggling this game, and that’s ?usually? scum indicative.

Still prefer Mole because he literally did nothing.

[Flameo]

Quoting this in full seems to break it… help… please read the full post that I’m partly quoting in this case.

@CallMeIo

Everyone Impact’s the thread in some way!
It takes Town to Take it Over to ensure our holy success.
I assume Elephas is a TR of yours?

You are not really answering my questions at all. You didn’t say whether you thought it’d be realistic for you to be in a towncore with the level of effort that you put out. You didn’t elaborate at all on why you have Elephas tier D good chance to be scum and I see no such elaboration in all your posts. Yes, they are a TR of mine, so that’d make it even more pressing for me to know what insight you’d have that I might have missed. This is your only comment,

@CallMeIo

I don’t think Elephas having similar thoughts as you do makes them Town.
Couldn’t you do the same thing as scum?

which would be a negation of a reason for them being town, but not any reason leaning one way or another. I would appreciate a fleshed out take.

[Centuries]

goodbye katze wagon

/vote Ash

is ash vote self pres or just actual scumhunting

[Centuries]

@ash4fun

Also I should probably do something with my vote
/vote Moleland

@ash4fun

• Moleland - Scumread - This one might be worth a post of its own, but there’s quite a bit going on here. There’s no solving to speak of–if something pings them they call it scummy and move on, rather than any sort of followup or attempt to understand. Openly provoking and shading leafia.

hmh

[Arete]

Vote Count

Vote Target	Voted by	Votes
Wiisp	Moleland	1/8
Moleland	CallMeIo, Vulgard, Leafia, ash4fun	4/8
ash4fun	CatLover, Flameo, Wiisp, Elephas, Centuries	5/8
Wazza	sulit	1/8
CallMeIo	katze	1/8
sulit	SirDerpsAlot	1/8