[VFM] Mountainous 15er - Town wins!

“if anyone is (pushing) on LHF it’s him”

i don’t think its very awkwardly worded but in hindsight i probably could have worded it better

I’m having trouble seeing the angle in which you look at the push on Jake, see the way that Jake is acting and say “Yeah, I’m going to trust that and push the person he’s sussing” that doesn’t involve you two being scummates. That being said, if Jake hangs here and flips town, then that pokes a giant hole in this already tentative read. I’m putting a pin in this; I feel like I’m touching something important with it.

So your logic is bad becuase in your world I would be sacrificing my own town cred to protect my partner Jake’, but then at EoD I waste all of that effort and vote him potentially killing my partner in a Rand. So I would be the worst player of all time

…You’re not wrong. That could technically be you trying donning the guise of “townie who doesn’t know how to vote, and ends up fortunately pushing a scum at EoD for the random”, it could have been “scum who forgot mechanics for this game and tried to make the day a no-lynch”, but neither of those feel terribly likely and I really shouldn’t be banking on them.

So then my question to you becomes “Do you think Katze has scum equity here?” because I suspect that we had two scum on the Kai push, it wasn’t both Jake and Italy (their interactions don’t make sense as a scumteam), and Geyxy isn’t reading as scummy to me.

By the way everyone voted Jake after I made my case and yet no one discussed it is the proof that it will be today’s sleeping wagon

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i disagree with the accusation but agree that marshal is going to drink hot sauce

question

have you read my entire iso, tan?

Your iso looks to be about 80% memes, 10% push on Jake and 10% push on Kai. That being said, Jake flipping scum here makes you look more townie, partly because your being okay with a Jake lynch doesn’t entirely line up with you two being scumteam and partly because Jake being scum reinforces the theory of Nuclear being scum.

nobody analysed jake and italys interactions whilist i showered.

i even spent an hour on saturday night beauty treatement and still nothing, guess im doing it myself.

Also tan my theory is that kai wagon was a counterwagon to the jake wagon and italy’s vote was pure agenda, and in that case, jake and italy are likely partners.

What are your thoughts on this

I already aired my thoughts on that; I don’t believe that they’re both scum because the interaction they had (which likely leads to us believing that if one flips scum, the other will as well) isn’t something that a concerted scumteam would be doing in public. If they’re both scum, then they’re not coordinating well, which feels implausible to the point that we shouldn’t be banking on it.

the only meaningful interactions i see.

just saying that jake is different but not much else

This post sticks out like a sore thumb. Because italy and preistess have their weird guide/judge discord thing but jake… i don’t think italy and jake are that close. so italy saying “jake” here feels really weird.

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This was commenting on Isaac, not me nor Italy

also… i wouldn’t bank on them coordinating well.

i’ve played scum with both italy and jake and when i played with italy we weren’t on the same wavelength and never really coordinated pushes or votes, and when i played with jake we kinda had him as an agendabot who we could use to make pushes or give votes in our favor.

Italy saying Jake there again doesn’t point to them both being scum; If Italy is the scum there, then they’re trying to take Jake down with them by association because why the hell would scum name their actual scumteam in a scenario like this?

simple WiFoM.

if you read clash of cults, you can see derps(when outed scum) kept claiming his actual CL was his CL. And i miscleared his CL off of it(but jailed them anyways)

…It bothers me that I honestly can’t think of a better counter to this than “I don’t think Italy’s smart enough for it.” Scum!Italy plays rather ham-fisted in my experience, but he could very well have wizened up.

i mean italy literally angleshot their teammate in deus ex 3 so it wouldn’t shock me at scum italy being bold

whats jake at lynch wise

i don’t want him dead yet and i think he’s at L-2 still

which is dangerous

l-2 i beleive

after your vote+unvote and my fake hammer i think things shook out at like 5 votes