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That’s not TMI. Why would you potentially bussing someone make you cleared?

Okay, fine.
Wouldn’t 100% clear Geyde but this looks pretty good.

I came into thread today knowing that I was lock clear from associations with Ici
I knew for certain that you would find a way to not like my slot

I’ll ISO you in 30 minutes after I’ve gotten something to eat.
If the circumstances are right you can be spewed as town, Geyde.
Mafia should not bus here at all given their numbers v town.

The pocketing statement is perfectly valid from town!Geyde, I missed it the previous time because I was ISOing Ici and not Geyde. It makes sense.

Calm thyself, for I have found a reason to like your slot.

Implying people here actually make reads by associations rather than just tElL mE yOuR aBiLItIeS.

I’m going to bed

Thing is, I’m not liking how much of the PoE is basically lurkers such as Shurian, Kyo, Magnus, and likely Jake as well and it really feels odd for me.

I do buy the idea that Ici tried to pocket Geyde early on, Geyde was a bit hesitant (hence the formal and oddly friendly-looking tone), and then he changed his mind later in the day and proceeded to vote Icibalus.

The progression from town!Geyde makes sense to me. If it was a bus, the timing is really weird. It was before the Ici wagon had any traction whatsoever.

Sooo, yeah, I’m pretty sure Geyde is town now. The fact he acknowledged potentially being pocketed by Ici is very important to me because it shows that Geyde was thinking about it the entire time. I don’t think scum!Geyde would bring this up, he would probably think of a different reason to bus Ici. He would probably run train on Ici harder, too - in this situation Geyde just voted Ici and never rescinded.

A lot of factors point to Geyde town and I’m sorry for mistakenly thinking Geyde was scum yesterday. I was right about someone trying to mislynch me, but that person wasn’t Geyde, I think.

A lot of people are towncleared, so this:

It feels odd for me too but there is no good reason to remove a townclear. People like me and Maxwell are completely spewed by association with Ici (and I think independently too), Hja has been super town consistently, Arete was one of the main reasons Ici got lynched… it goes on.

I’m getting the feeling that this game will either be a walk in the park or that we’ll have a hard time finding the last two wolves.

Knowing this site, it’s probably 2 out of them lurking to stay UTR, though.

Lurking isn’t helping them stay UTR though because the thread is going toward lynching them right now. :rofl:

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Eh, thinking about lynching Shurian today.

This wall so far has been their only major piece of content outside of him just voting Magnus. It’s pretty much a huge hedge-y wall of nothing on Vulgard that doesn’t reach any form of conclusion whatsoever.

/vote Shurian

I think the fact he voted Luxy spews him as town.

If this was a deliberate move and Shurian was playing stupid then I find it genius because I don’t think it would be in the average scum’s scumrange. The vote was 100% serious judging by the post Alice has just quoted. Shurian scum would probably vote a player who is actually in the game.

I’m not sure they’d be that unaware that Luxy was the damn host,though.

This is why I never directly speak with players in the thread and I always use headings when posting as a mod.

/vote Magnus

This is where my mind is at.

I think he would. I wouldn’t put it past Shurian.

MU Empath 13er Monokumalice ISO Part 1 of 3, she clutched for scum in F3

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So, some thoughts.

  • I like Trans and the only thing I disagree on him is with his read on Insomnia. IMO this is my top town rn.

  • Mal’s probs villa as well as his tone feels natural and flowing for a new player.

  • Vig and AG seem towny enough for me to put them above my null.

  • I dislike Insomnia rn. He reminds me more of his M1GP wolf meta over his villa meta in Homicide Investigators.

  • I’m pretty much with Trans when it comes to Marl. I’d expect with the level of thread activity that he’d be more active

  • I’m uneasy on Thun over probing too much into empath checks/cover.

Rn I’d probably lynch between Insomnia and Marl and then leave Thun to sort out later as the potential of her being LHF is still there.

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Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon on May 20, 2019, 01:15:23 PM (#268)

Quote Originally Posted by Transcend on May 20, 2019, 01:09:50 PM (#266)

Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon on May 20, 2019, 01:08:17 PM (#265)

You feeling ignored yet Dog?

I’m used to it my entire life so whatevz ?♀️

Well I like tacos, but Marl hasn’t given me enough reason to vote them yet.

This is kind of the reason why I’m partly on Marl being a wolf.

His wolf meta is more to coast on early-game while his village meta is more going hands-on as soon as the game begins.

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Quote Originally Posted by AndrewGreve on May 20, 2019, 01:22:59 PM (#276)

Quote Originally Posted by Alice Liddell on May 20, 2019, 01:20:43 PM (#273)

So, some thoughts.

  • I like Trans and the only thing I disagree on him is with his read on Insomnia. IMO this is my top town rn.

  • Mal’s probs villa as well as his tone feels natural and flowing for a new player.

  • Vig and AG seem towny enough for me to put them above my null.

  • I dislike Insomnia rn. He reminds me more of his M1GP wolf meta over his villa meta in Homicide Investigators.

  • I’m pretty much with Trans when it comes to Marl. I’d expect with the level of thread activity that he’d be more active

  • I’m uneasy on Thun over probing too much into empath checks/cover.

Rn I’d probably lynch between Insomnia and Marl and then leave Thun to sort out later as the potential of her being LHF is still there.

I decided insom got to much heat to fast. not necessarily meaning wolves jumped on him, but that his reactions were tainted by frustration or natural defensiveness

In short, Insomnia’s wagon should be pure or at least semi-pure if he’s V?

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Also, dropping an empath check here.

Transcend and Limestone are the same alignment.

Quite sure this puts Limestone as very likely V for me as well.

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Quote Originally Posted by insomnia on May 20, 2019, 01:28:51 PM (#284)

Looking through VCA and Thunal’s in god knows where parked on Mal, I don’t like that slot to be honest.

Alice, elaborate on my meta and what’s pinging you

Mostly regarding how you’re being way too defensive similar to how you reacted when Donald accused you in M1GP while you were more tunnel-y and pro-active in Homicide Investigators.

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Quote Originally Posted by AndrewGreve on May 20, 2019, 01:45:59 PM (#301)

Trans came in with a made up read. Then spammed the thread to entice people to follow his vote with tacos and salsa. Instead of answering the questions about his read to convince people.

Was he trying to solve anyone’s alignment? no
was he explaining his one read aside from vague reasons that don’t mean anything? No

He was trying to pressure someone that wasnt around instead of solving the players currently active in the thread.

How often have you played with Marl?

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Quote Originally Posted by AndrewGreve on May 20, 2019, 01:49:38 PM (#304)

Quote Originally Posted by Alice Liddell on May 20, 2019, 01:48:31 PM (#302)

Quote Originally Posted by AndrewGreve on May 20, 2019, 01:45:59 PM (#301)

Trans came in with a made up read. Then spammed the thread to entice people to follow his vote with tacos and salsa. Instead of answering the questions about his read to convince people.

Was he trying to solve anyone’s alignment? no
was he explaining his one read aside from vague reasons that don’t mean anything? No

He was trying to pressure someone that wasnt around instead of solving the players currently active in the thread.

How often have you played with Marl?

once.

empathy is still a made up read

On Marl? I disagree. His wolf and villa meta show different levels of attachment to the game and this is how I used to sort him out back when both of us still played at i42.

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Quote Originally Posted by AndrewGreve on May 20, 2019, 02:37:38 PM (#320)

other people following transcend’s vote has nothing to do with him inventing a read.

Transcends actions this game:

  • He started looking at Iso’s immediately - super wolfy process versus reading thread or being active with people in real time d1.

  • made up a read on marl

  • refused to expand or explain read with any details or post quotes

  • $#@!posted/spammed.

  • ran away from thread

Trans is a wolf

I disagree with this. His read on Marl is based on past meta on Marl that makes a lot of sense and context if you have played with him before, and I’m not reading him exactly as wolf over his lackadaisical push on Marl.

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Quote Originally Posted by MalloN on May 20, 2019, 04:28:39 PM (#354)

Quote Originally Posted by Viggorous on May 20, 2019, 04:26:13 PM (#353)

Quote Originally Posted by Thunal33 on May 20, 2019, 04:24:24 PM (#351)

Quote Originally Posted by Viggorous on May 20, 2019, 04:21:37 PM (#348)

Thunal how do you mean Mallon’s post and vote on me felt forced?

It just felt strange given the context and I thought he might be trying to stop potentially useful discussion/solving.

Fair enough.

To me it felt like he was annoyed at my unclear post.

To me Thunal feels like searching for easy targets.

And btw: I didn’t say, that your vote was hardcore scummy @Viggorous ^^

Can’t exactly disagree here. IMO both of Thunal’s votes this match have been shit.

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Quote Originally Posted by Thunal33 on May 20, 2019, 04:32:14 PM (#357)

Quote Originally Posted by AndrewGreve on May 20, 2019, 04:30:32 PM (#356)

Thunal33
I am obviously trying to get people to vote with me

How am I any less agendaish?

You’re not spamposting, and are providing more content on your reads.

Yet again, Trans’ push on Marl makes sense depending on the context of Marl’s meta and potentially something else. His push isn’t baseless.

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Quote Originally Posted by AndrewGreve on May 20, 2019, 04:50:16 PM (#362)

trans refused to explain the read.

alice,

can you quote the posts from marl that support trans case?

It’s mostly regarding what Marl hasn’t posted rather than what he has posted. As villa he quickly goes into exiting the joking phase and promptly dives in the game.

Additionally, why would Transcend dive and tunnel into Marl as this if he’s searching for an easy lynch when the top wagons were Vig/you/Insomnia? And right at the SoD? This isn’t exactly behavior of a wolf being opportunistic.

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Quote Originally Posted by AndrewGreve on May 20, 2019, 04:59:59 PM (#364)

I linked a game where marl didnt post serious for hours as village.

Are all wolves always opportunistic all the time?

jumping into iso’s 200 posts into the game is a thing wolves do.

First point is why I agree with Trans’ push and that I’d like to solve Marl’s slot ASAP. Usually the faster he gets serious the more likely he is villa.

Second point is that while it does look wolfy, there’s a very good explanation for his actions, as in ISO diving a few players, that point him as likely not a wolf. I don’t want to elaborate any further on this.

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…I think I may have re-done my read on Trans completely from his last few posts.

Still kind of looks like general apathy then run-off-the-mill wolfy behavior, thought I don’t object to him being pushed by now.

I’m more partial to lynching Insomnia for reasons I said above, Marl if his posts don’t improve, and Thun over her votes and probing too much onto Empath cover.

Rest of my reads remain consistent.

##Vote insomnia

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Quote Originally Posted by Percy on May 20, 2019, 06:15:26 PM (#396)

I think Alice will be easy to read (as she was last game we played).

Umm, what?

Last game you were a wolf and I was a villa.

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Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon on May 20, 2019, 06:22:48 PM (#398)

Quote Originally Posted by Viggorous on May 20, 2019, 06:05:32 PM (#394)

Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon on May 20, 2019, 05:24:20 PM (#373)

Quote Originally Posted by Viggorous on May 20, 2019, 03:10:21 PM (#323)

I also think alice might be a wolf

Can you expand on this?

I think her posts and reads are wolfy

Fair enough. I still have her in the null range atm. Though not sure I like the defense of Transcend. But I reserve the right to make a determination at a future time.

Eh, I’ll explain why I defended Trans later in the game. Doing it now would just be a net negative for us.

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Quote Originally Posted by AndrewGreve on May 20, 2019, 07:12:28 PM (#416)

I don’t mind the focus moving elsewhere. Bobby’s vote on me is a little sus. Especially since he shades phlighter while join him on my wagon.

discuss guys

His entrance felt relatively off, tbh.

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Quote Originally Posted by AndrewGreve on May 20, 2019, 08:02:53 PM (#434)

holding back was the wrong term. I want to interact more but no one is interacting.

Kind of in a similar spot. I’m mostly interested in sorting out Insomnia and Marl yet neither of them are here at the moment.

Most of the active players I’ve already have a decent read on, so I wouldn’t be getting too much new information.

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Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon on May 20, 2019, 08:06:57 PM (#435)

Quote Originally Posted by AndrewGreve on May 20, 2019, 08:02:53 PM (#434)

holding back was the wrong term. I want to interact more but no one is interacting.

I am here. But you threw a scum read on me after 7 posts and left it at that.

…do you have any strong wolfreads at the moment?

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Quote Originally Posted by AndrewGreve on May 20, 2019, 08:21:23 PM (#443)

honestly I feels like vigg isnt trying. I dont know what that means for his alignment

He looks to me more like an apathetic villager.

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Quote Originally Posted by MalloN on May 21, 2019, 04:26:44 AM (#524)

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Okay okay your canditure for my lynchvote was successful. Now you can calm down

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Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion on May 21, 2019, 03:43:08 AM (#482)

Quote Originally Posted by Alice Liddell on May 20, 2019, 06:08:37 PM (#395)

…I think I may have re-done my read on Trans completely from his last few posts.

Still kind of looks like general apathy then run-off-the-mill wolfy behavior, thought I don’t object to him being pushed by now.

I’m more partial to lynching Insomnia for reasons I said above, Marl if his posts don’t improve, and Thun over her votes and probing too much onto Empath cover.

Rest of my reads remain consistent.

##Vote insomnia

can you talk about why you prefer insomnia atp then

SRing you, Insomnia, and Thunnal at the moment.

Since Trans was the only one genuinely pushing you, after he switched to Mal it was pretty much obvious that you’d be just a vanity wagon, and since the other top wagons for me at the time were either null or town leans, then the choice was obvious.

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Quote Originally Posted by MalloN on May 21, 2019, 04:26:44 AM (#524)

##Vote Transcend

Okay okay your canditure for my lynchvote was successful. Now you can calm down

Circumstances make this vote absolute shite.

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Quote Originally Posted by AndrewGreve on May 21, 2019, 12:18:47 PM (#737)

thunal seems like newish villager. I think her slot will become obvious one way or the other as the game progresses.

Bobby seems like a newish wolf. I think his slot will become obvious one way or the other as the game progresses.

I dont think focusing them more today will be super fruitful.

This is kind of what I’ve been thinking rn, except that I feel that both Thun and Bobby both have a reasonable chance of flipping wolf. Usually LHF tends to sort themselves out sooner or later which is why I’m focusing on more experienced players this match.

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Quote Originally Posted by MalloN on May 21, 2019, 01:34:22 PM (#785)

To me insomnia and trans are on one level of mafianess, but trans is my preferred lynch rn because he is annoying

Disagree. I’m at the level where I believe that the former is more likely to flip wolf than the latter.

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Quote Originally Posted by Phighter on May 21, 2019, 03:38:29 PM (#798)

highly doubt wolf insomnia claims vt with five hours left in a day

This actually kind of makes me more reluctant on Insomnia’s lynch based on his past meta, tbh.

Last game I’ve played with him he refused to claimed anything by the time he was the lynch.

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Quote Originally Posted by Viggorous on May 21, 2019, 04:27:18 PM (#805)

Quote Originally Posted by Alice Liddell on May 20, 2019, 06:08:37 PM (#395)

…I think I may have re-done my read on Trans completely from his last few posts.

Still kind of looks like general apathy then run-off-the-mill wolfy behavior, thought I don’t object to him being pushed by now.

I’m more partial to lynching Insomnia for reasons I said above, Marl if his posts don’t improve, and Thun over her votes and probing too much onto Empath cover.

Rest of my reads remain consistent.

##Vote insomnia

This is a very wolfy post.

This would actually make a lot of sense with context that I don’t wish to out rn.

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Quote Originally Posted by Thunal33 on May 21, 2019, 05:02:54 PM (#810)

I can link to some of my games if anybody wants me to.

I’d appreciate that a lot as I usually run often on past meta.

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Quote Originally Posted by AndrewGreve on May 21, 2019, 05:05:34 PM (#814)

a vt claim is as NAI as they come. Any wolf with votes, expecting to not be lynched in his spot can make that claim.

Yeah, looking back the wolf game he was on was a Mad17, so in that case depriving village from information as roles didn’t flip kind of made up for an exception considering that roles do flip here.

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@AG, can you try to sell your TR of Marl to me?

I’ve been ISOing him and it reminds me more of his wolf game than his villa game in general.

Ultimately he’s taking a less of a town leader approach as his usual self and he’s playing more in the backseat and is focused mostly on pushing rather on solving slots, similar to how he played SFoL 33 back in our site.

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Quote Originally Posted by AndrewGreve on May 21, 2019, 05:36:31 PM (#831)

It is a bunch of quotes in there, but the over arching theme is he is asking questions, and more importantly responding to the answers. He isnt throwing questions out to look busy, he is having conversations with a clear thought progression that feels natural.

Specifically the phlighter/marl exchange looks really good for marl.

Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion on May 21, 2019, 03:28:24 AM (#468)

Quote Originally Posted by MalloN on May 20, 2019, 10:45:08 AM (#164)

Quote Originally Posted by Viggorous on May 20, 2019, 10:43:55 AM (#161)

It’s okay, because I do.

Okay. So let´s lynch you, so it´s not okay anymore and we can stop the pointless discussion

##Vote Viggorous

…why are you trying to stop a discussion instead of just seeing where it leads?

Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion on May 21, 2019, 03:29:02 AM (#469)

Quote Originally Posted by MalloN on May 20, 2019, 10:50:33 AM (#169)

Quote Originally Posted by Thunal33 on May 20, 2019, 10:48:43 AM (#167)

##Vote MalloN

I don’t like how he voted Vigg to stop a discussion. That post felt forced.

I don´t like how you don´t like that I don´t like pointless discussions.

who are you to say that it’s pointless without letting it finish

Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion on May 21, 2019, 03:29:49 AM (#470)

Quote Originally Posted by insomnia on May 20, 2019, 11:19:54 AM (#182)

K. The wagon on me is bull$#@!. I had 2 rvs votes that I ignored because they were rvs, obviously. But then people started stacking for no actual reason, and while AG is tunneled on me he isn’t even analysing the way people are jumping on my wagon. My question wasn’t answered by Vig the first time I asked why he scum read me and then voted WS. This is most likely a V/V wagon.

are you mad that you’re being voted or are you mad that you’re being voted for the wrong reasons
because it seems like the latter tbh

Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion on May 21, 2019, 03:47:03 AM (#486)

Quote Originally Posted by Phighter on May 20, 2019, 11:31:18 AM (#185)

insomnia’s tone sucks

but I think he’s town

feels like a wolf white knighting a flailing villager

Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion on May 21, 2019, 03:49:06 AM (#490)

Quote Originally Posted by Transcend on May 21, 2019, 03:47:41 AM (#487)

Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion on May 21, 2019, 03:46:16 AM (#485)

##Vote Phighter

Meh

Why do you think this is the best move

Why not mallon?

because phighter’s post is something i would post if i was a wolf and not mates with insomnia
like
to the T, those are the exact words i would say

Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion on May 21, 2019, 03:50:00 AM (#491)

i dont really like any of mallon’s posts yet but not enough to noose em either
i can’t think of a reason why a wolf would openly try to stop a discussion that early

i mean i can give you one but not a realistic one

Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion on May 21, 2019, 03:51:10 AM (#493)

i think he’s correct but for the wrong reasons
tbh i was expecting phighter to vote insomnia for his play so far and that post surprised me when i got to it

Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion on May 21, 2019, 03:54:07 AM (#495)

Quote Originally Posted by Transcend on May 21, 2019, 03:52:28 AM (#494)

This post is terrible. I really hope you agree with me. The way he paired you and viggo just looks so $#@!ing calculated.

it didn’t make much sense to me yeah
i dont know why vig intervening in me always reading andrew as scum makes me mafia
i can’t connect the dots

Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion on May 21, 2019, 09:40:12 AM (#591)

Quote Originally Posted by Phighter on May 21, 2019, 09:27:30 AM (#582)

Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion on May 21, 2019, 03:30:09 AM (#471)

why?

just do, really

hard to put it into words

I don’t trust his wagoners

who don’t you like on the wagon?

Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion on May 21, 2019, 09:59:44 AM (#592)

Quote Originally Posted by Phighter on May 21, 2019, 09:32:38 AM (#590)

##Vote Transcend

not super comfortable shadowing greve

think insomnia’s town

think trasncend is kinda howly

have no read on thunal, wayward

alice light town

percy/bobby I’m not really going to try to read today and hope I get them next in my empath pool

you have alice as light town?
who between limestone and wayward do you think is mafia then?

Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion on May 21, 2019, 10:16:08 AM (#603)

Quote Originally Posted by Phighter on May 21, 2019, 10:08:29 AM (#598)

Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion on May 21, 2019, 09:59:44 AM (#592)

you have alice as light town?
who between limestone and wayward do you think is mafia then?

both nulls

dude the only reason you gave for thinking insomnia is town is that you didn’t like his wagon
so you’ve got two nulls and a townread on it?
how does this logic make any sense?

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Quote Originally Posted by Phighter on May 21, 2019, 10:09:11 AM (#600)

Quote Originally Posted by AndrewGreve on May 21, 2019, 10:03:28 AM (#593)

He town read insomnia for his wagon(aka andrew voted him)

He unvotes andrew to follow andrew onto transcend when wagons were 3-3-2-2 and andrew wagon is perfectly viable still???

no, i townread insomnia because his $#@!ty tone is something so bad that I think only a townsperson could do it

a wolf would realize how awful he sounds

why does this feel like an excuse you just came up with to cover your tracks rather than what you were thinking the whole time

why was your immediate answer that you thought the wagon on him was bad?

Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion on May 21, 2019, 10:18:54 AM (#608)

Quote Originally Posted by Phighter on May 21, 2019, 09:27:30 AM (#582)

Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion on May 21, 2019, 03:30:09 AM (#471)

why?

just do, really

hard to put it into words

I don’t trust his wagoners

that doesn’t seem like the point you’re trying to get off in this post tbh

Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion on May 21, 2019, 10:19:48 AM (#611)

Quote Originally Posted by Phighter on May 21, 2019, 10:19:05 AM (#609)

Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion on May 21, 2019, 10:17:47 AM (#606)

why was your immediate answer that you thought the wagon on him was bad?

because the wagon on him is bad if he’s town, which I think he is

doesn’t make it wolfy

you didn’t say that you thought it was bad directly
you literally say you dont trust his wagoners
you can’t squirm out of this

Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion on May 21, 2019, 10:21:19 AM (#615)

…what.
why wouldn’t you just say you think he’s a mislynch then

why say you don’t trust the wagon if you didn’t mean that?

Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion on May 21, 2019, 10:23:19 AM (#617)

Quote Originally Posted by Phighter on May 21, 2019, 10:21:11 AM (#614)

Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host on May 21, 2019, 10:20:35 AM (#613)

Empath 13er Day 1 Votecount

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3 insomnia Limestone (13), WaywardSon (119), Alice Liddell (23)
3 Transcend Thunal33 (15), MalloN (45), Phighter (34)
2 MalloN Transcend (67), Marluxion (47)
1 Thunal33 insomnia (62)
1 AndrewGreve Bobbyb85 (11)
1 WaywardSon Viggorous (52)
1 Phighter AndrewGreve (93)
1 Not voting Percy (10)

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Day 1 ends at 8:00 PM EDT on Tuesday, May 21st, 2019 . There are expired Tue May 21 2019 20:01:00 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) remaining.

Requested by Phighter at 0 days, 9 hours, 40 minutes, 25 seconds remaining.

Ah, I’ve played with Wayward enough to not trust his wolf-hunting abilities

Limestone is often a liar

and Alice I’ve never played with before, hence the not trusting there either

go ahead Marl, do your worst

i don’t even need to do my worst
your squirming is making it crystal clear dude

you spewed insomnia as town by white knighting him without good reason
and you don’t think you can get away with a wws or limestone wolfread which puts you in a bad spot since you had just called alice town before i asked

Hmm, Marl’s inquisitive nature in those posts contrast a lot with how he played in that game that I mentioned where it was mostly Marl having a very certain feel about the game-state rather than trying to find shit out. I disagree with Marl on Insomnia, but aside from him I can see his point on Phighter and Mal.

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Quote Originally Posted by Thunal33 on May 21, 2019, 05:55:19 PM (#836)

Quote Originally Posted by AndrewGreve on May 21, 2019, 05:06:03 PM (#815)

Quote Originally Posted by Thunal33 on May 21, 2019, 05:02:54 PM (#810)

I can link to some of my games if anybody wants me to.

send a wolf game link

https://www.personalitycafe.com/mafi…-town-win.html
https://www.personalitycafe.com/mafi…-town-win.html

These are the only two wolf games I’ve ever played, and they were my 1st and 3rd games, respectively. I’ve played about 10 games.

May I have a readlist from you?

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Quote Originally Posted by AndrewGreve on May 21, 2019, 06:25:50 PM (#846)

game 1 for thunal was basically afk and had trouble giving reads. Everything was a hedge or just “i dont know/suspicious”

Which is why I want a readlist from her. She seems to be at a level where she has a hard time fabricating reads as a wolf, so putting them up to scrutiny will help us gauge her alignment.

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Quote Originally Posted by Limestone on May 21, 2019, 06:50:10 PM (#867)

Quote Originally Posted by Alice Liddell on May 21, 2019, 06:47:44 PM (#865)

Quote Originally Posted by Transcend on May 21, 2019, 06:42:19 PM (#861)

Gotta decide if it’s worth making another enemy or not but clearly this mallon Wagon for reasons unbeknownst to me isn’t taking off

…errm, what?

Sigh, can you at least try to solve $#@! rather than just bounce around with the attention span of a 6 yo after seven cans of Red Bull?

How’s he bouncing around? Isn’t he voting a read?

Yes and no. I’d expect more in-depth reads from him such as sorting out players as villa or wolf. Since a bit earlier he’s basically just been going around Marl and Mal promising tacos for whoever votes with him without bothering to put a strong case against them.

While I agree with him to a point in Mal, I am somewhat more confident on Insom atm as at least I am more familiar with the latter’s meta.

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Quote Originally Posted by Viggorous on May 21, 2019, 07:14:17 PM (#891)

Do you truly believe lynching insomnia is a good idea Lime?

  1. How often have you played with Insomnia?

  2. What is your proposed lynch outside of Trans and Insomnia?

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Quote Originally Posted by Viggorous on May 21, 2019, 07:18:04 PM (#896)

Quote Originally Posted by Alice Liddell on May 21, 2019, 07:16:19 PM (#894)

Quote Originally Posted by Viggorous on May 21, 2019, 07:14:17 PM (#891)

Do you truly believe lynching insomnia is a good idea Lime?

  1. How often have you played with Insomnia?

  2. What is your proposed lynch outside of Trans and Insomnia?

Once or never I’m not sure

I’m not sure.

  1. I’ve played with him twice recently. Once wolf and once villa and the circumstances were quite similar. His meta here, as in him being defensive after a few RVS votes were casted on him rather than just YOLO tunnelling points to him being playing as his wolf game. He’s kind of a player that you can easily read once you get a feel of his meta, so this is why my vote is on him rather than Trans.

  2. …why exactly do you have three SRs and you don’t want to lynch any of them of Insomnia nor Trans?

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Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon on May 21, 2019, 07:25:06 PM (#902)

Quote Originally Posted by Viggorous on May 21, 2019, 07:17:17 PM (#895)

Quote Originally Posted by insomnia on May 21, 2019, 12:22:25 PM (#741)

WS is posting too much fillers for his usual town play. He usually is more pushy as well. I think he’s got quite a bit of information on me and is reluctant to comment on any of my reads / posts.

What do you think about this post wws?

When I read through ins he seems to do more than you’re implying. I don’t think he’s just existing

For someone that claims to not rely on meta, he relys on meta. He also doesn’t want to be read on meta, but then he will offer up I never do this or I always do that.

This is what I know. He tunneled players excessively in the first few games I played with him.
The Donald jumped on him hard early in the M17 game and he was not like that even though he constantly talked about it.
I think he went out of his way to disprove his meta in the next game, so much so that he would have been lynched if not for a green check.

Hence, the reason that if he is town I need to find him. But he has to work towards that also.

Point me to that game? His last villa game where I played with him, Homicide Investigators, he basically spent much of the d2 tunnelling me. This is a stark contrast to how he’s playing right now. I want to see how firm his villa meta is.

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##Vote Bobbyb85

Saving the doggo. Better a wolfy newbie than him, still wished we’d lynched Insomnia.

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Quote Originally Posted by Transcend on May 22, 2019, 08:25:40 AM (#1023)

Don’t wanna clear thun btw

Her vote WAS on Bobby but it got piled on in cfds. She didn’t directly save a villager from being lynched. That was definitely more viggo/lime/alice.

IMO Thun was starting to appear more like LHF than a wolf later d1 due to her actually attempting to make reads in contrast with her wolf game in her home forum. Rn this is very likely V.

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Quote Originally Posted by Transcend on May 22, 2019, 08:28:04 AM (#1032)

Quote Originally Posted by Raiden Mei on May 22, 2019, 08:26:54 AM (#1026)

FoS Phighter, AndrewGreve, WWS.

##Vote Phighter

Marluxion died yesterday while pushing Phighter.

This looks $#@!ty tbh

Andrew is blatantly obv town even if he pooped the bed

Most likely agreed here, his last post feels more like a frustrated and misguided villa than a wolf.

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Quote Originally Posted by Raiden Mei on May 22, 2019, 08:30:51 AM (#1038)

Quote Originally Posted by Transcend on May 22, 2019, 08:29:22 AM (#1034)

Raiden you literally just picked 3 people from my lynch and dumped them into a cluster together

I don’t think wolves wanted me dead that bad lol

Well, yeah.

You don’t think wolves were on your wagon?

Bobby was on AG’s wagon, so this leaves the other two. This kind of fails to take in consideration Insomnia or a potential busser.

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Quote Originally Posted by Viggorous on May 22, 2019, 08:42:53 AM (#1071)

Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon on May 22, 2019, 08:39:19 AM (#1067)

Quote Originally Posted by Viggorous on May 22, 2019, 08:31:58 AM (#1040)

Quote Originally Posted by Alice Liddell on May 22, 2019, 08:26:13 AM (#1025)

Eh, I semi-agree with clearing Bobby’s wagon rn.

Thunnal, Trans, and Lime are pretty much very likely V rn. I’m less certain on Vigg as him going back on forth on Bobby was just a terrible look in general. Quite sure that if we have a busser then it would likely have been Vigg.

Im objectively by far most clear from Bobbys flip.

Why (knowing the answer he is going to give.)

Because I stated multiple times beforehand I didn’t want to lynch him d1.

If I position myself to not vote my wolfbro d1 I’m not gonna change my opinion 10 mins to eod and lynch him anyways.

What exactly were the three players that you found wolfy and didn’t want to lynch again?

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Quote Originally Posted by Viggorous on May 22, 2019, 08:46:00 AM (#1078)

It’s very interesting that nobody took the marl bait when I suggested that wagon at eod.

This looks more to me that the wolves were either offline or just working to push Trans.

Would actually fit in with the game-state a lot considering everyone outside the likely town pile was not playing at the EoD or on Trans.

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Quote Originally Posted by Raiden Mei on May 22, 2019, 08:55:46 AM (#1094)

My bet’s still on Phighter. Marluxion was on his tail yesterday and then Marluxion died.

Phighter was also on Transcend. That seals the deal for me.

Phighter fearkilling Marl over a single vote is the last thing on my mind, tbh.

That’s kind of a laughable preposition, actually.

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Quote Originally Posted by Raiden Mei on May 22, 2019, 09:00:55 AM (#1105)

Quote Originally Posted by Alice Liddell on May 22, 2019, 08:59:15 AM (#1100)

Quote Originally Posted by Raiden Mei on May 22, 2019, 08:55:46 AM (#1094)

My bet’s still on Phighter. Marluxion was on his tail yesterday and then Marluxion died.

Phighter was also on Transcend. That seals the deal for me.

Phighter fearkilling Marl over a single vote is the last thing on my mind, tbh.

That’s kind of a laughable preposition, actually.

What so laughable about it? Why do you think Marluxion died? Over other players who were actually on the Bobby wagon.

Likely as a PR hunt. Fearkilling at this point of the game is a nonsensical premise and Marl is not exactly what I’d call a SPK.

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Quote Originally Posted by Phighter on May 22, 2019, 02:46:37 PM (#1250)

Quote Originally Posted by insomnia on May 22, 2019, 02:45:26 PM (#1249)

Ah didn’t even look at the maj thing

##Unvote WaywardSon

Vote in mah heart, I want him to spew as much as possible

He’s locked into anti-spew since it came out

Either way we can still use the reactions here and WWS’ past interactions in order to find the final wolf.

From a glance I don’t think RM is with him as were she a wolf she’d immediately known that the moment you locked on WWS that he’d be dead, so her voting you would be suicide in her case.

Insomnia and WWS have been on each other’s tails since d1, so this puts him in the unlikely pile as well.

Rn I’d say that wolf team is likely Bobby/WWS/MalloN.

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Quote Originally Posted by Alice Liddell on May 22, 2019, 03:04:05 PM (#1251)

Quote Originally Posted by Phighter on May 22, 2019, 02:46:37 PM (#1250)

Quote Originally Posted by insomnia on May 22, 2019, 02:45:26 PM (#1249)

Ah didn’t even look at the maj thing

##Unvote WaywardSon

Vote in mah heart, I want him to spew as much as possible

He’s locked into anti-spew since it came out

Either way we can still use the reactions here and WWS’ past interactions in order to find the final wolf.

From a glance I don’t think RM is with him as were she a wolf she’d immediately known that the moment you locked on WWS that he’d be dead, so her voting you would be suicide in her case.

Insomnia and WWS have been on each other’s tails since d1, so this puts him in the unlikely pile as well.

Rn I’d say that wolf team is likely Bobby/WWS/MalloN.

Re-read Mal’s ISO and looks to be so far.

Mal didn’t interact with neither Bobby nor WWS until Phighther started pushing on him, the only interactions that I can see from Mal is shading other villas throughout the first day. His vote on #1156 was effectively the only time he actually mentioned WWS.

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Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon on May 22, 2019, 03:17:16 PM (#1254)

Quote Originally Posted by insomnia on May 22, 2019, 02:33:47 PM (#1246)

Show me those razor sharp fangs you got

Sorry to disappoint. Why don’t you stop gloating and do some solving.

If you’re villa, then who’s the pair most likely to flip wolf from your PoV?

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Quote Originally Posted by Phighter on May 22, 2019, 03:28:08 PM (#1261)

Quote Originally Posted by AndrewGreve on May 22, 2019, 03:10:05 PM (#1252)

WWS can you give me your top confidence reads? include a top wolf read as well plz

I’ve asked him for wolves twice today without a single name coming out

You arent reading my responses. I have answered both times.

If you think that Phighther is a dumb villa rather than a wolf, why exactly is your vote on him and not in one of the aforementioned three?

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Quote Originally Posted by MalloN on May 22, 2019, 03:54:59 PM (#1278)

Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon on May 22, 2019, 03:53:38 PM (#1276)

Quote Originally Posted by Viggorous on May 22, 2019, 03:51:05 PM (#1274)

Who did phighter get in the night

He wont answer.

But it would be important to know because if he is empath he will die tonight and take knowledge to his grave and with majority enabled thi can happen at any point

In the case that Phighther is the Empath this effectively means that WWS is lock-wolf and anyone quickhammering would out themselves as the final wolf. It’s a win-win for us.

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Quote Originally Posted by Viggorous on May 22, 2019, 04:23:21 PM (#1294)

Surprising wolves didn’t hammer

Most likely wolf IMO providing Phighther/WWS is exactly V/W is MalloN. Since he was already on the wagon then he couldn’t quickhammer.

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Quote Originally Posted by Viggorous on May 22, 2019, 04:25:05 PM (#1296)

Wws was itt when he was at 5 votes

The fact that he didn’t self-hammer then to deny Phighther’s check kind of makes me believe that there’s a chance he may be villa here.

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Quote Originally Posted by Viggorous on May 22, 2019, 04:28:49 PM (#1303)

Quote Originally Posted by Alice Liddell on May 22, 2019, 04:28:11 PM (#1301)

Quote Originally Posted by Viggorous on May 22, 2019, 04:23:21 PM (#1294)

Surprising wolves didn’t hammer

Most likely wolf IMO providing Phighther/WWS is exactly V/W is MalloN. Since he was already on the wagon then he couldn’t quickhammer.

Wws could have

Yeah. Wolf!WWS would know that Phighther would likely be the Empath and there’s no way for him to get off the hook so he may as well self-hammer and let the last wolf kill Phighther to deny the check.

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Quote Originally Posted by MalloN on May 22, 2019, 04:33:35 PM (#1307)

To all those who think I am the last wolf: it wouldn’t make sense for me to instantly jump on the WWS-wagon because I would be looking to stay away from it as long as possible and maybe be the one to seal the deal (so you guys won’t find out the information Phighter hides + I get villa cred).

Quickhammering WWS would make you lock wolf regardless of his flip.

Plus, in the event that you/WWS are wolves, which is the most likely outcome for me rn, is that you would have jumped onto the wagon ASAP for towncred. Usually when a player is mechanically proven to be a wolf the other wolves will immediately jump on the outed one to maximize towncred gain.

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Though if RM is a wolf then this clears WWS.

There’s never a world where both of them are in the same wolfteam from her reaction to Phighther’s wagon on WWS.

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Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon on May 22, 2019, 05:01:09 PM (#1344)

Quote Originally Posted by insomnia on May 22, 2019, 02:10:33 PM (#1240)

I’m taking full cred for pushing this yesterday

##Vote WaywardSon

Quote Originally Posted by insomnia on May 22, 2019, 02:32:55 PM (#1245)

Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon on May 22, 2019, 02:13:54 PM (#1242)

Quote Originally Posted by Viggorous on May 22, 2019, 09:07:14 AM (#1125)

Ok. Why did you choose Bobby and wws for empath cover?

Quote Originally Posted by Viggorous on May 22, 2019, 09:08:41 AM (#1130)

You’re clearly not but assuming the wolves are dumb enough to believe you, which new check did you get today then?

Quote Originally Posted by insomnia on May 22, 2019, 02:10:33 PM (#1240)

I’m taking full cred for pushing this yesterday

##Vote WaywardSon

You get no cred boi. Why are you wolfing?>

Howl for me

Quote Originally Posted by insomnia on May 22, 2019, 02:33:47 PM (#1246)

Show me those razor sharp fangs you got

Quote Originally Posted by insomnia on May 22, 2019, 02:45:26 PM (#1249)

Ah didn’t even look at the maj thing

##Unvote WaywardSon

Vote in mah heart, I want him to spew as much as possible

Quote Originally Posted by insomnia on May 22, 2019, 03:19:44 PM (#1256)

Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon on May 22, 2019, 03:17:16 PM (#1254)

Quote Originally Posted by insomnia on May 22, 2019, 02:33:47 PM (#1246)

Show me those razor sharp fangs you got

Sorry to disappoint. Why don’t you stop gloating and do some solving.

YoU’rE sItTiNg At A wOlF rEaD rIgHt NoW aNd It Is YoUr DuTy To GeT oUt Of It

Entire contribution for today. ISO this. Tell me what he’s actually done.

Hm… in the case where you’re V then Insomnia has a very high chance of flipping W.

Coming back to RM, there’s actually quite a likely chance of it being Bobby/RM/Insomnia from how she immediately called him town for no reason.

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Quote Originally Posted by AndrewGreve on May 22, 2019, 06:03:27 PM (#1372)

So marl kill is either:
empath hunting
wolf fps and one of trans/alice is wolf
or
no one had marl as their empath target. So wolves could have killed marl since it wont confirm or expand any possible empath’s peeks.
I back read looking for all the empath covers and found 5 without marl. So maybe true

thoughts?

Third one’s more likely. First one could be a side bonus. Second one’s very doubtful as I don’t believe Trans has a chance of flipping wolf after everything that happened d1.

IIRC nobody had either Marl or Insomnia in their list and Marl wasn’t really in a position to be lynched after d1 while Insomnia was one of the top wagons until we CFD’d onto Bobby.

I might be stupidly misclearing him but I’m just saying what I think.