Thing is, I’m not liking how much of the PoE is basically lurkers such as Shurian, Kyo, Magnus, and likely Jake as well and it really feels odd for me.
I do buy the idea that Ici tried to pocket Geyde early on, Geyde was a bit hesitant (hence the formal and oddly friendly-looking tone), and then he changed his mind later in the day and proceeded to vote Icibalus.
The progression from town!Geyde makes sense to me. If it was a bus, the timing is really weird. It was before the Ici wagon had any traction whatsoever.
Sooo, yeah, I’m pretty sure Geyde is town now. The fact he acknowledged potentially being pocketed by Ici is very important to me because it shows that Geyde was thinking about it the entire time. I don’t think scum!Geyde would bring this up, he would probably think of a different reason to bus Ici. He would probably run train on Ici harder, too - in this situation Geyde just voted Ici and never rescinded.
A lot of factors point to Geyde town and I’m sorry for mistakenly thinking Geyde was scum yesterday. I was right about someone trying to mislynch me, but that person wasn’t Geyde, I think.
A lot of people are towncleared, so this:
It feels odd for me too but there is no good reason to remove a townclear. People like me and Maxwell are completely spewed by association with Ici (and I think independently too), Hja has been super town consistently, Arete was one of the main reasons Ici got lynched… it goes on.
I’m getting the feeling that this game will either be a walk in the park or that we’ll have a hard time finding the last two wolves.
Knowing this site, it’s probably 2 out of them lurking to stay UTR, though.
Lurking isn’t helping them stay UTR though because the thread is going toward lynching them right now. 
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Eh, thinking about lynching Shurian today.
This wall so far has been their only major piece of content outside of him just voting Magnus. It’s pretty much a huge hedge-y wall of nothing on Vulgard that doesn’t reach any form of conclusion whatsoever.
/vote Shurian
If this was a deliberate move and Shurian was playing stupid then I find it genius because I don’t think it would be in the average scum’s scumrange. The vote was 100% serious judging by the post Alice has just quoted. Shurian scum would probably vote a player who is actually in the game.
I’m not sure they’d be that unaware that Luxy was the damn host,though.
This is why I never directly speak with players in the thread and I always use headings when posting as a mod.
/vote Magnus
This is where my mind is at.
I think he would. I wouldn’t put it past Shurian.
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So, some thoughts.
I like Trans and the only thing I disagree on him is with his read on Insomnia. IMO this is my top town rn.
Mal’s probs villa as well as his tone feels natural and flowing for a new player.
Vig and AG seem towny enough for me to put them above my null.
I dislike Insomnia rn. He reminds me more of his M1GP wolf meta over his villa meta in Homicide Investigators.
I’m pretty much with Trans when it comes to Marl. I’d expect with the level of thread activity that he’d be more active
I’m uneasy on Thun over probing too much into empath checks/cover.
Rn I’d probably lynch between Insomnia and Marl and then leave Thun to sort out later as the potential of her being LHF is still there.
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Originally Posted by WaywardSon on May 20, 2019, 01:15:23 PM (#268)
You feeling ignored yet Dog?
I’m used to it my entire life so whatevz ?♀️
Well I like tacos, but Marl hasn’t given me enough reason to vote them yet.
This is kind of the reason why I’m partly on Marl being a wolf.
His wolf meta is more to coast on early-game while his village meta is more going hands-on as soon as the game begins.
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So, some thoughts.
I like Trans and the only thing I disagree on him is with his read on Insomnia. IMO this is my top town rn.
Mal’s probs villa as well as his tone feels natural and flowing for a new player.
Vig and AG seem towny enough for me to put them above my null.
I dislike Insomnia rn. He reminds me more of his M1GP wolf meta over his villa meta in Homicide Investigators.
I’m pretty much with Trans when it comes to Marl. I’d expect with the level of thread activity that he’d be more active
I’m uneasy on Thun over probing too much into empath checks/cover.
Rn I’d probably lynch between Insomnia and Marl and then leave Thun to sort out later as the potential of her being LHF is still there.
I decided insom got to much heat to fast. not necessarily meaning wolves jumped on him, but that his reactions were tainted by frustration or natural defensiveness
In short, Insomnia’s wagon should be pure or at least semi-pure if he’s V?
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Also, dropping an empath check here.
Transcend and Limestone are the same alignment.
Quite sure this puts Limestone as very likely V for me as well.
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Looking through VCA and Thunal’s in god knows where parked on Mal, I don’t like that slot to be honest.
Alice, elaborate on my meta and what’s pinging you
Mostly regarding how you’re being way too defensive similar to how you reacted when Donald accused you in M1GP while you were more tunnel-y and pro-active in Homicide Investigators.
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Trans came in with a made up read. Then spammed the thread to entice people to follow his vote with tacos and salsa. Instead of answering the questions about his read to convince people.
Was he trying to solve anyone’s alignment? no
was he explaining his one read aside from vague reasons that don’t mean anything? NoHe was trying to pressure someone that wasnt around instead of solving the players currently active in the thread.
How often have you played with Marl?
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Trans came in with a made up read. Then spammed the thread to entice people to follow his vote with tacos and salsa. Instead of answering the questions about his read to convince people.
Was he trying to solve anyone’s alignment? no
was he explaining his one read aside from vague reasons that don’t mean anything? NoHe was trying to pressure someone that wasnt around instead of solving the players currently active in the thread.
How often have you played with Marl?
once.
empathy is still a made up read
On Marl? I disagree. His wolf and villa meta show different levels of attachment to the game and this is how I used to sort him out back when both of us still played at i42.
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other people following transcend’s vote has nothing to do with him inventing a read.
Transcends actions this game:
He started looking at Iso’s immediately - super wolfy process versus reading thread or being active with people in real time d1.
made up a read on marl
refused to expand or explain read with any details or post quotes
$#@!posted/spammed.
ran away from thread
Trans is a wolf
I disagree with this. His read on Marl is based on past meta on Marl that makes a lot of sense and context if you have played with him before, and I’m not reading him exactly as wolf over his lackadaisical push on Marl.
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Thunal how do you mean Mallon’s post and vote on me felt forced?
It just felt strange given the context and I thought he might be trying to stop potentially useful discussion/solving.
Fair enough.
To me it felt like he was annoyed at my unclear post.
To me Thunal feels like searching for easy targets.
And btw: I didn’t say, that your vote was hardcore scummy @Viggorous ^^
Can’t exactly disagree here. IMO both of Thunal’s votes this match have been shit.
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I am obviously trying to get people to vote with meHow am I any less agendaish?
You’re not spamposting, and are providing more content on your reads.
Yet again, Trans’ push on Marl makes sense depending on the context of Marl’s meta and potentially something else. His push isn’t baseless.
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trans refused to explain the read.
alice,
can you quote the posts from marl that support trans case?
It’s mostly regarding what Marl hasn’t posted rather than what he has posted. As villa he quickly goes into exiting the joking phase and promptly dives in the game.
Additionally, why would Transcend dive and tunnel into Marl as this if he’s searching for an easy lynch when the top wagons were Vig/you/Insomnia? And right at the SoD? This isn’t exactly behavior of a wolf being opportunistic.
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I linked a game where marl didnt post serious for hours as village.
Are all wolves always opportunistic all the time?
jumping into iso’s 200 posts into the game is a thing wolves do.
First point is why I agree with Trans’ push and that I’d like to solve Marl’s slot ASAP. Usually the faster he gets serious the more likely he is villa.
Second point is that while it does look wolfy, there’s a very good explanation for his actions, as in ISO diving a few players, that point him as likely not a wolf. I don’t want to elaborate any further on this.
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…I think I may have re-done my read on Trans completely from his last few posts.
Still kind of looks like general apathy then run-off-the-mill wolfy behavior, thought I don’t object to him being pushed by now.
I’m more partial to lynching Insomnia for reasons I said above, Marl if his posts don’t improve, and Thun over her votes and probing too much onto Empath cover.
Rest of my reads remain consistent.
##Vote insomnia
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I think Alice will be easy to read (as she was last game we played).
Umm, what?
Last game you were a wolf and I was a villa.
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I also think alice might be a wolf
Can you expand on this?
I think her posts and reads are wolfy
Fair enough. I still have her in the null range atm. Though not sure I like the defense of Transcend. But I reserve the right to make a determination at a future time.
Eh, I’ll explain why I defended Trans later in the game. Doing it now would just be a net negative for us.
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I don’t mind the focus moving elsewhere. Bobby’s vote on me is a little sus. Especially since he shades phlighter while join him on my wagon.
discuss guys
His entrance felt relatively off, tbh.
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holding back was the wrong term. I want to interact more but no one is interacting.
Kind of in a similar spot. I’m mostly interested in sorting out Insomnia and Marl yet neither of them are here at the moment.
Most of the active players I’ve already have a decent read on, so I wouldn’t be getting too much new information.
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holding back was the wrong term. I want to interact more but no one is interacting.
I am here. But you threw a scum read on me after 7 posts and left it at that.
…do you have any strong wolfreads at the moment?
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honestly I feels like vigg isnt trying. I dont know what that means for his alignment
He looks to me more like an apathetic villager.
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Okay okay your canditure for my lynchvote was successful. Now you can calm down
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…I think I may have re-done my read on Trans completely from his last few posts.
Still kind of looks like general apathy then run-off-the-mill wolfy behavior, thought I don’t object to him being pushed by now.
I’m more partial to lynching Insomnia for reasons I said above, Marl if his posts don’t improve, and Thun over her votes and probing too much onto Empath cover.
Rest of my reads remain consistent.
##Vote insomnia
can you talk about why you prefer insomnia atp then
SRing you, Insomnia, and Thunnal at the moment.
Since Trans was the only one genuinely pushing you, after he switched to Mal it was pretty much obvious that you’d be just a vanity wagon, and since the other top wagons for me at the time were either null or town leans, then the choice was obvious.
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##Vote Transcend
Okay okay your canditure for my lynchvote was successful. Now you can calm down
Circumstances make this vote absolute shite.
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thunal seems like newish villager. I think her slot will become obvious one way or the other as the game progresses.
Bobby seems like a newish wolf. I think his slot will become obvious one way or the other as the game progresses.
I dont think focusing them more today will be super fruitful.
This is kind of what I’ve been thinking rn, except that I feel that both Thun and Bobby both have a reasonable chance of flipping wolf. Usually LHF tends to sort themselves out sooner or later which is why I’m focusing on more experienced players this match.
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To me insomnia and trans are on one level of mafianess, but trans is my preferred lynch rn because he is annoying
Disagree. I’m at the level where I believe that the former is more likely to flip wolf than the latter.
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highly doubt wolf insomnia claims vt with five hours left in a day
This actually kind of makes me more reluctant on Insomnia’s lynch based on his past meta, tbh.
Last game I’ve played with him he refused to claimed anything by the time he was the lynch.
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…I think I may have re-done my read on Trans completely from his last few posts.
Still kind of looks like general apathy then run-off-the-mill wolfy behavior, thought I don’t object to him being pushed by now.
I’m more partial to lynching Insomnia for reasons I said above, Marl if his posts don’t improve, and Thun over her votes and probing too much onto Empath cover.
Rest of my reads remain consistent.
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This is a very wolfy post.
This would actually make a lot of sense with context that I don’t wish to out rn.
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I’d appreciate that a lot as I usually run often on past meta.
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a vt claim is as NAI as they come. Any wolf with votes, expecting to not be lynched in his spot can make that claim.
Yeah, looking back the wolf game he was on was a Mad17, so in that case depriving village from information as roles didn’t flip kind of made up for an exception considering that roles do flip here.
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@AG, can you try to sell your TR of Marl to me?
I’ve been ISOing him and it reminds me more of his wolf game than his villa game in general.
Ultimately he’s taking a less of a town leader approach as his usual self and he’s playing more in the backseat and is focused mostly on pushing rather on solving slots, similar to how he played SFoL 33 back in our site.
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It is a bunch of quotes in there, but the over arching theme is he is asking questions, and more importantly responding to the answers. He isnt throwing questions out to look busy, he is having conversations with a clear thought progression that feels natural.
Specifically the phlighter/marl exchange looks really good for marl.
It’s okay, because I do.
Okay. So let´s lynch you, so it´s not okay anymore and we can stop the pointless discussion
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…why are you trying to stop a discussion instead of just seeing where it leads?
##Vote MalloN
I don’t like how he voted Vigg to stop a discussion. That post felt forced.
I don´t like how you don´t like that I don´t like pointless discussions.
who are you to say that it’s pointless without letting it finish
K. The wagon on me is bull$#@!. I had 2 rvs votes that I ignored because they were rvs, obviously. But then people started stacking for no actual reason, and while AG is tunneled on me he isn’t even analysing the way people are jumping on my wagon. My question wasn’t answered by Vig the first time I asked why he scum read me and then voted WS. This is most likely a V/V wagon.
are you mad that you’re being voted or are you mad that you’re being voted for the wrong reasons
because it seems like the latter tbh
insomnia’s tone sucks
but I think he’s town
feels like a wolf white knighting a flailing villager
##Vote Phighter
Meh
Why do you think this is the best move
Why not mallon?
because phighter’s post is something i would post if i was a wolf and not mates with insomnia
like
to the T, those are the exact words i would say
i dont really like any of mallon’s posts yet but not enough to noose em either
i can’t think of a reason why a wolf would openly try to stop a discussion that earlyi mean i can give you one but not a realistic one
i think he’s correct but for the wrong reasons
tbh i was expecting phighter to vote insomnia for his play so far and that post surprised me when i got to it
This post is terrible. I really hope you agree with me. The way he paired you and viggo just looks so $#@!ing calculated.
it didn’t make much sense to me yeah
i dont know why vig intervening in me always reading andrew as scum makes me mafia
i can’t connect the dots
why?
just do, really
hard to put it into words
I don’t trust his wagoners
who don’t you like on the wagon?
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not super comfortable shadowing greve
think insomnia’s town
think trasncend is kinda howly
have no read on thunal, wayward
alice light town
percy/bobby I’m not really going to try to read today and hope I get them next in my empath pool
you have alice as light town?
who between limestone and wayward do you think is mafia then?
you have alice as light town?
who between limestone and wayward do you think is mafia then?both nulls
dude the only reason you gave for thinking insomnia is town is that you didn’t like his wagon
so you’ve got two nulls and a townread on it?
how does this logic make any sense?
He town read insomnia for his wagon(aka andrew voted him)
He unvotes andrew to follow andrew onto transcend when wagons were 3-3-2-2 and andrew wagon is perfectly viable still???
no, i townread insomnia because his $#@!ty tone is something so bad that I think only a townsperson could do it
a wolf would realize how awful he sounds
why does this feel like an excuse you just came up with to cover your tracks rather than what you were thinking the whole time
why was your immediate answer that you thought the wagon on him was bad?
why?
just do, really
hard to put it into words
I don’t trust his wagoners
that doesn’t seem like the point you’re trying to get off in this post tbh
why was your immediate answer that you thought the wagon on him was bad?
because the wagon on him is bad if he’s town, which I think he is
doesn’t make it wolfy
you didn’t say that you thought it was bad directly
you literally say you dont trust his wagoners
you can’t squirm out of this
…what.
why wouldn’t you just say you think he’s a mislynch thenwhy say you don’t trust the wagon if you didn’t mean that?
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Ah, I’ve played with Wayward enough to not trust his wolf-hunting abilities
Limestone is often a liar
and Alice I’ve never played with before, hence the not trusting there either
go ahead Marl, do your worst
i don’t even need to do my worst
your squirming is making it crystal clear dudeyou spewed insomnia as town by white knighting him without good reason
and you don’t think you can get away with a wws or limestone wolfread which puts you in a bad spot since you had just called alice town before i askedHmm, Marl’s inquisitive nature in those posts contrast a lot with how he played in that game that I mentioned where it was mostly Marl having a very certain feel about the game-state rather than trying to find shit out. I disagree with Marl on Insomnia, but aside from him I can see his point on Phighter and Mal.
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send a wolf game link
https://www.personalitycafe.com/mafi…-town-win.html
https://www.personalitycafe.com/mafi…-town-win.htmlThese are the only two wolf games I’ve ever played, and they were my 1st and 3rd games, respectively. I’ve played about 10 games.
May I have a readlist from you?
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game 1 for thunal was basically afk and had trouble giving reads. Everything was a hedge or just “i dont know/suspicious”
Which is why I want a readlist from her. She seems to be at a level where she has a hard time fabricating reads as a wolf, so putting them up to scrutiny will help us gauge her alignment.
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Gotta decide if it’s worth making another enemy or not but clearly this mallon Wagon for reasons unbeknownst to me isn’t taking off
…errm, what?
Sigh, can you at least try to solve $#@! rather than just bounce around with the attention span of a 6 yo after seven cans of Red Bull?
How’s he bouncing around? Isn’t he voting a read?
Yes and no. I’d expect more in-depth reads from him such as sorting out players as villa or wolf. Since a bit earlier he’s basically just been going around Marl and Mal promising tacos for whoever votes with him without bothering to put a strong case against them.
While I agree with him to a point in Mal, I am somewhat more confident on Insom atm as at least I am more familiar with the latter’s meta.
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Do you truly believe lynching insomnia is a good idea Lime?
How often have you played with Insomnia?
What is your proposed lynch outside of Trans and Insomnia?
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Do you truly believe lynching insomnia is a good idea Lime?
How often have you played with Insomnia?
What is your proposed lynch outside of Trans and Insomnia?
Once or never I’m not sure
I’m not sure.
I’ve played with him twice recently. Once wolf and once villa and the circumstances were quite similar. His meta here, as in him being defensive after a few RVS votes were casted on him rather than just YOLO tunnelling points to him being playing as his wolf game. He’s kind of a player that you can easily read once you get a feel of his meta, so this is why my vote is on him rather than Trans.
…why exactly do you have three SRs and you don’t want to lynch any of them of Insomnia nor Trans?
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WS is posting too much fillers for his usual town play. He usually is more pushy as well. I think he’s got quite a bit of information on me and is reluctant to comment on any of my reads / posts.
What do you think about this post wws?
When I read through ins he seems to do more than you’re implying. I don’t think he’s just existing
For someone that claims to not rely on meta, he relys on meta. He also doesn’t want to be read on meta, but then he will offer up I never do this or I always do that.
This is what I know. He tunneled players excessively in the first few games I played with him.
The Donald jumped on him hard early in the M17 game and he was not like that even though he constantly talked about it.
I think he went out of his way to disprove his meta in the next game, so much so that he would have been lynched if not for a green check.Hence, the reason that if he is town I need to find him. But he has to work towards that also.
Point me to that game? His last villa game where I played with him, Homicide Investigators, he basically spent much of the d2 tunnelling me. This is a stark contrast to how he’s playing right now. I want to see how firm his villa meta is.
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##Vote Bobbyb85
Saving the doggo. Better a wolfy newbie than him, still wished we’d lynched Insomnia.
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Don’t wanna clear thun btw
Her vote WAS on Bobby but it got piled on in cfds. She didn’t directly save a villager from being lynched. That was definitely more viggo/lime/alice.
IMO Thun was starting to appear more like LHF than a wolf later d1 due to her actually attempting to make reads in contrast with her wolf game in her home forum. Rn this is very likely V.
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FoS Phighter, AndrewGreve, WWS.
##Vote Phighter
Marluxion died yesterday while pushing Phighter.
This looks $#@!ty tbh
Andrew is blatantly obv town even if he pooped the bed
Most likely agreed here, his last post feels more like a frustrated and misguided villa than a wolf.
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Raiden you literally just picked 3 people from my lynch and dumped them into a cluster together
I don’t think wolves wanted me dead that bad lol
Well, yeah.
You don’t think wolves were on your wagon?
Bobby was on AG’s wagon, so this leaves the other two. This kind of fails to take in consideration Insomnia or a potential busser.
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Eh, I semi-agree with clearing Bobby’s wagon rn.
Thunnal, Trans, and Lime are pretty much very likely V rn. I’m less certain on Vigg as him going back on forth on Bobby was just a terrible look in general. Quite sure that if we have a busser then it would likely have been Vigg.
Im objectively by far most clear from Bobbys flip.
Why (knowing the answer he is going to give.)
Because I stated multiple times beforehand I didn’t want to lynch him d1.
If I position myself to not vote my wolfbro d1 I’m not gonna change my opinion 10 mins to eod and lynch him anyways.
What exactly were the three players that you found wolfy and didn’t want to lynch again?
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It’s very interesting that nobody took the marl bait when I suggested that wagon at eod.
This looks more to me that the wolves were either offline or just working to push Trans.
Would actually fit in with the game-state a lot considering everyone outside the likely town pile was not playing at the EoD or on Trans.
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My bet’s still on Phighter. Marluxion was on his tail yesterday and then Marluxion died.
Phighter was also on Transcend. That seals the deal for me.
Phighter fearkilling Marl over a single vote is the last thing on my mind, tbh.
That’s kind of a laughable preposition, actually.
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My bet’s still on Phighter. Marluxion was on his tail yesterday and then Marluxion died.
Phighter was also on Transcend. That seals the deal for me.
Phighter fearkilling Marl over a single vote is the last thing on my mind, tbh.
That’s kind of a laughable preposition, actually.
What so laughable about it? Why do you think Marluxion died? Over other players who were actually on the Bobby wagon.
Likely as a PR hunt. Fearkilling at this point of the game is a nonsensical premise and Marl is not exactly what I’d call a SPK.
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Ah didn’t even look at the maj thing
##Unvote WaywardSon
Vote in mah heart, I want him to spew as much as possible
He’s locked into anti-spew since it came out
Either way we can still use the reactions here and WWS’ past interactions in order to find the final wolf.
From a glance I don’t think RM is with him as were she a wolf she’d immediately known that the moment you locked on WWS that he’d be dead, so her voting you would be suicide in her case.
Insomnia and WWS have been on each other’s tails since d1, so this puts him in the unlikely pile as well.
Rn I’d say that wolf team is likely Bobby/WWS/MalloN.
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Ah didn’t even look at the maj thing
##Unvote WaywardSon
Vote in mah heart, I want him to spew as much as possible
He’s locked into anti-spew since it came out
Either way we can still use the reactions here and WWS’ past interactions in order to find the final wolf.
From a glance I don’t think RM is with him as were she a wolf she’d immediately known that the moment you locked on WWS that he’d be dead, so her voting you would be suicide in her case.
Insomnia and WWS have been on each other’s tails since d1, so this puts him in the unlikely pile as well.
Rn I’d say that wolf team is likely Bobby/WWS/MalloN.
Re-read Mal’s ISO and looks to be so far.
Mal didn’t interact with neither Bobby nor WWS until Phighther started pushing on him, the only interactions that I can see from Mal is shading other villas throughout the first day. His vote on #1156 was effectively the only time he actually mentioned WWS.
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Show me those razor sharp fangs you got
Sorry to disappoint. Why don’t you stop gloating and do some solving.
If you’re villa, then who’s the pair most likely to flip wolf from your PoV?
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WWS can you give me your top confidence reads? include a top wolf read as well plz
I’ve asked him for wolves twice today without a single name coming out
You arent reading my responses. I have answered both times.
If you think that Phighther is a dumb villa rather than a wolf, why exactly is your vote on him and not in one of the aforementioned three?
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Who did phighter get in the night
He wont answer.
But it would be important to know because if he is empath he will die tonight and take knowledge to his grave and with majority enabled thi can happen at any point
In the case that Phighther is the Empath this effectively means that WWS is lock-wolf and anyone quickhammering would out themselves as the final wolf. It’s a win-win for us.
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Surprising wolves didn’t hammer
Most likely wolf IMO providing Phighther/WWS is exactly V/W is MalloN. Since he was already on the wagon then he couldn’t quickhammer.
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Wws was itt when he was at 5 votes
The fact that he didn’t self-hammer then to deny Phighther’s check kind of makes me believe that there’s a chance he may be villa here.
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Surprising wolves didn’t hammer
Most likely wolf IMO providing Phighther/WWS is exactly V/W is MalloN. Since he was already on the wagon then he couldn’t quickhammer.
Wws could have
Yeah. Wolf!WWS would know that Phighther would likely be the Empath and there’s no way for him to get off the hook so he may as well self-hammer and let the last wolf kill Phighther to deny the check.
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To all those who think I am the last wolf: it wouldn’t make sense for me to instantly jump on the WWS-wagon because I would be looking to stay away from it as long as possible and maybe be the one to seal the deal (so you guys won’t find out the information Phighter hides + I get villa cred).
Quickhammering WWS would make you lock wolf regardless of his flip.
Plus, in the event that you/WWS are wolves, which is the most likely outcome for me rn, is that you would have jumped onto the wagon ASAP for towncred. Usually when a player is mechanically proven to be a wolf the other wolves will immediately jump on the outed one to maximize towncred gain.
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Though if RM is a wolf then this clears WWS.
There’s never a world where both of them are in the same wolfteam from her reaction to Phighther’s wagon on WWS.
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I’m taking full cred for pushing this yesterday
##Vote WaywardSon
Ok. Why did you choose Bobby and wws for empath cover?
You’re clearly not but assuming the wolves are dumb enough to believe you, which new check did you get today then?
I’m taking full cred for pushing this yesterday
##Vote WaywardSon
You get no cred boi. Why are you wolfing?>
Howl for me
Show me those razor sharp fangs you got
Ah didn’t even look at the maj thing
##Unvote WaywardSon
Vote in mah heart, I want him to spew as much as possible
Show me those razor sharp fangs you got
Sorry to disappoint. Why don’t you stop gloating and do some solving.
YoU’rE sItTiNg At A wOlF rEaD rIgHt NoW aNd It Is YoUr DuTy To GeT oUt Of It
Entire contribution for today. ISO this. Tell me what he’s actually done.
Hm… in the case where you’re V then Insomnia has a very high chance of flipping W.
Coming back to RM, there’s actually quite a likely chance of it being Bobby/RM/Insomnia from how she immediately called him town for no reason.
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So marl kill is either:
empath hunting
wolf fps and one of trans/alice is wolf
or
no one had marl as their empath target. So wolves could have killed marl since it wont confirm or expand any possible empath’s peeks.
I back read looking for all the empath covers and found 5 without marl. So maybe truethoughts?
Third one’s more likely. First one could be a side bonus. Second one’s very doubtful as I don’t believe Trans has a chance of flipping wolf after everything that happened d1.
IIRC nobody had either Marl or Insomnia in their list and Marl wasn’t really in a position to be lynched after d1 while Insomnia was one of the top wagons until we CFD’d onto Bobby.
MU Empath 13er Monokumalice ISO Part 2 of 3, she clutched for scum in F3
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Raiden seems very pure
I actually would like to read a wolf game from RM as of now.
She’s basically one of the few players that were not on either main wagons and the way Percy was playing d1 reminded me a lot of the way he was playing in a past game where he was a wolf by making hedge-y reads and not voting.
And she’s a good player.
Aww, thank you for the compliment.
I’m town though, really.
I just want a wolf game as meta is pretty much one of my main strengths. Rn I’m split between a wolf team of either you/Ins or WWS/Mal.
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Gamestate makes it difficult to do stuff XD
It’s less about the game-state and more about Phighter wasting our time with this shit. I’m mostly waiting for Phighter to out his check or retract his claim already. If he’s legit, we obviously lynch WWS today and then Mal tomorrow and that’s likely game as I can’t see anyone else being WWS’s wolfbuddy barring Mal. If not, then the wolf team is likely a toss-up of either WWS/MalloN or a two out of Insomnia/RM/Phighter.
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Lets pretend Phlighter and WWS are villagers.
In this case then I’d probably put a wolf-team of Bobby/RM/Insomnia.
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Gamestate makes it difficult to do stuff XD
It’s less about the game-state and more about Phighter wasting our time with this $#@!. I’m mostly waiting for Phighter to out his check or retract his claim already. If he’s legit, we obviously lynch WWS today and then Mal tomorrow and that’s likely game as I can’t see anyone else being WWS’s wolfbuddy barring Mal. If not, then the wolf team is likely a toss-up of either WWS/MalloN or a two out of Insomnia/RM/Phighter.
So you can’t see MalloN being paired with anyone but me out of that grouping?
No, I have a hard time seeing you being paired with anyone but MalloN. If MalloN is a wolf then theoretically I can see him fitting in more wolf teams but you are far less flexible.
Who else would be your wolfbuddy?
I’m clearing Trans, Lime, Vigg, and Thun for being on Bobby’s wagon. I’m reading AG villa for his EoD as he sounds more far more like a misguided V than a wolf.
Phighther is obvious why. The way you interacted with Insomnia d1 makes it extremely unlike that he’s wolf with you. Also were RM wolf then she wouldn’t chainsaw Phighther like that as no wolf would be dumb enough to chainsaw a player for having mechanical info on their buddy’s alignment.
If you flip W and Mal V, then the last wolf bussed either you or Bobby hard.
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I have no idea what Andrew is so upset about.
WWS is telling us he has no responsibility in helping villagers solve his alignment as a villager.
Phighter is telling us he has no responsibility to retract a fake claim in time for village to adjust. It is our job to solve his claim. I dont hate fake clams, but get your reactions and then retract.
Trans I put on ignore but no one is quoting his posts so they are prob still garbage.
Insomnia isnt really playing at all either.
at least 2 of the above are villagers with anti village mentalities this game.
nods
Feel safe locking Andrew as town right now. As others have suggested early today.
Do you agree with my suspicion that there is at least 1 scum on the Transcend wagon yesterday? Who do you think would mostly likely be it, if so?
I honestly think a wolf off wagon is more likely to be 100%
I think a wolf could have been on bobby or trans.
I think insomnia/percy(you) holds a wolf 100% of the time.
Hmmm, which player on Bobby and Trans’ wagon do you believe has the highest wolf equity?
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WWS is telling us he has no responsibility in helping villagers solve his alignment as a villager.
Phighter is telling us he has no responsibility to retract a fake claim in time for village to adjust. It is our job to solve his claim. I dont hate fake clams, but get your reactions and then retract.
Trans I put on ignore but no one is quoting his posts so they are prob still garbage.
Insomnia isnt really playing at all either.
at least 2 of the above are villagers with anti village mentalities this game.
nods
Feel safe locking Andrew as town right now. As others have suggested early today.
Do you agree with my suspicion that there is at least 1 scum on the Transcend wagon yesterday? Who do you think would mostly likely be it, if so?
I honestly think a wolf off wagon is more likely to be 100%
I think a wolf could have been on bobby or trans.
I think insomnia/percy(you) holds a wolf 100% of the time.
Well, of course a wolf off wagon is more likely to be 100%. But, that is such a large pool, it doesn’t help anybody.
Quite sure he meant off both major wagons, as in Bobby/Trans.
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If any wolf was not on either wagon, it was already Bobby. Doubt 2/3 wolves don’t partake in the day lynch.
Not really for either your or Insomnia’s case. Neither of you were on for the EoD1 and both of your slots look quite terrible over Insomnia’s and Percy’s d1 where both of those two were playing very similar to how they played as wolf last game I had with them.
It’s not an impossibility both wolves were off-wagon.
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If any wolf was not on either wagon, it was already Bobby. Doubt 2/3 wolves don’t partake in the day lynch.
Not really for either your or Insomnia’s case. Neither of you were on for the EoD1 and both of your slots look quite terrible over Insomnia’s and Percy’s d1 where both of those two were playing very similar to how they played as wolf last game I had with them.
It’s not an impossibility both wolves were off-wagon.
Why is everyone on Percy’s case? He’s clearly inactive, and I’d like to think that I’ve proven myself more towny then most, so I’m not getting why I’m getting shaded all day?
Yeah, I know that I’m not getting lynched today. No, it is still not a good feeling.
Percy was playing exactly like he did in a recent game where he was a wolf. Giving meh-ish reads while refusing to outright pressure anyone or even vote them. It’s less about you and more about your slot. And that we have a about roughly half the players as likely clears by now.
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Touting his read.
- him genuinely trying to figure out what’s going on is indicative. Meaning he kept on asking questions about it despite being slapped in the face about it by me.
Low Hanging Fruit, the title beneath your name. Basically means that you are a newbie in here and it’s really easy reading newbies.
Mallon, any other scum than Vig atm?
If you post a lot we can get this sorry ass town to at least get a good read on you
First itt conversation between insomnia and MalloN.
Touting his read.
- him genuinely trying to figure out what’s going on is indicative. Meaning he kept on asking questions about it despite being slapped in the face about it by me.
Low Hanging Fruit, the title beneath your name. Basically means that you are a newbie in here and it’s really easy reading newbies.
Mallon, any other scum than Vig atm?
If you post a lot we can get this sorry ass town to at least get a good read on you
First itt conversation between insomnia and MalloN.
Missed the first one in formatting.
Never did explain why this was bad.
Fillers.
oh this is about to get juicy, spank me
Last 2 were him commenting on me asking MalloN questions. He had stated earlier that MalloN was lhf, when reading his posts you could see that didn’t appear to be the case.
So insomnia, what is your read on MalloN?
Bobby
Say wut? Besides the stuff on Andrew he mentions Phighter. Can there be something there? Maybe. Most likely just mentioned him cause they know each other and he was comfortable mentioning him. Noob scum.
##Vote AndrewGreve
I don’t know what wagons are tbf. I’m assuming bandwagon related? I’d love to have the depth of knowledge you guys have, and if you want to try to throw people at me due to the lack of knowledge and therefore “weak” votes due to this being my third game then go ahead and waste a lynching.
Transcend on Bobby’s vote and reasoning on Andrew.
He might have solved the game with this one.
Why would he post on this?Rest is ‘I’m catching up’ ‘There’s alot of posts’ and a few where I asked about his experience.
MalloN
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Interesting first vote. Given the gamestate now.
well as far as I understand, everybody on your community does this cover-thing at some point (in the corresponding game mode), so I don´t think, that this is really something special (especially as it is obviously not common to talk about it) so idk.
Where does this knowledge come from?They are covers.
Just before you were asking why they were being done, and then you turn around and answer a question like this? Given your apparent experience level and the tinfoil makes me think that sometimes you are asking questions you already know the answer to. Just for the appearance of being unfamiliar with the common practices here.
Okay. So let´s lynch you, so it´s not okay anymore and we can stop the pointless discussion
##Vote Viggorous
Gotta be honest this exchange surprised me for the snarkiness involved.
(additionally I didn´t like to have a wagon of 4 on insomnia already. Allthough i just found out, that the majortiy-system doesn´t work on day one (?) so we won´t have hasty lynches )
This makes me tingle. Slightly.
I don´t like how you don´t like that I don´t like pointless discussions.
Snarky
Okay go on. Solve the game.
Again.
- What is LHF?
- Still don´t feel slapped in the face tbh
One of those questions. Maybe it’s just the tinfoil. But I had seen that term before I got here.
Okay got it.
But it´s not easy to actually read newbies, it is rather easy, to use patterns on each of them (which is not true in every case, but kind of “common sense” from the perspective of everybody who is not new). No offense, we also do that in other communities ^^
This comes from someone of experience and I read it as ‘go ahead with that read of me and it will bite you in the ass, cause you can’t read me.’ It’s things like this that make me very wary of players I have never played with before. Not just saying it, but the posting and the way arguments are constructed and verbalized.
Here’s my thoughts, some times scum test the waters in the thread and try to see who is possible lynch targets. Or sometimes they make associations.
I think, Vigg tries form an alliance between you and him. This makes him somewhat scummy but this is just an impression
But btw @AndrewGreve what you said in your last post is pretty common tactical stuff, I think a list of what all the abbreviations mean would be more useful
I find it odd that a new player to this site picked up on things that I did.
##Vote Transcend
Talking about this 2 combined posts…I mean this smells so damn opportunistic
Pushing on Vigg
So you didn’t verbalize them earlier because…?
I actually like this.So you didn’t feel like talking about this concern at all, but AG naming them made you voting Trans instantly? I don’t believe this tbh. I mean how can one post change your mind from “well maybe there is something hidden but it is not important enough to talk about” to “let’s vote this man”?
I see his point here and like that he isn’t afraid of going after Vigg. But even though it struck me as odd the way he did it, I also can see what Vigg is saying as it happens to me.
To me Thunal feels like searching for easy targets.
And btw: I didn’t say, that your vote was hardcore scummy @Viggorous ^^
Switches his focus to Thunal.
So far he is neither townie nor mafia. Almost everything he wrote so far could be called “troll” in some way. I can’t remember something, that has a clear tendency in one direction. That’s annoying and not really helping town, but it doesn’t say much about his alignment
Null on Transcend1 wolf between Marl and trans I guess. Most likely still marl wolf and trans getting pocketed (do you say it like that? XD)
this is too obvious to be a wolf-wolf-interaction tbh (could still be villa/villa)
HedgyTranscend feels like hunting for the easy targets so badly rn (especially trying to provoke a triggered reaction from me and Bobby) which is not townish at all… Actually I am not that sure about Marl being the wolf between those two XD
But Bobby was scum. Could he have gone 2-2
##Vote Transcend
Okay okay your canditure for my lynchvote was successful. Now you can calm down
Gotta go for exams now, so I want to have my head cleared:
I didn’t have a heavy mafia-read on marl in the first place, only had a little indicator from one of his first posts. But this whole interaction trans/marl read to me like one mafia is pocketing one villa. And because I had this indicator (I don’t even remember what it was XD) my head said “marl maf lul” so I said it as well. But trans was really begging for my vote so I did him the favor. See y’all and wish me luck ^^
So do you still feel this way? Meaning that Transcend is a wolf?
tbh I was pretty annoyed by him stealing the time I needed to study for the exam so I gave him what he wanted (aka a vote on him). I will definitely rethink this again, because I have a pretty scummy read on insomnia aswell and am still not quite happy with vigg (allthough he reminds me of a player from my homebase that´s always scumread but still somewhat helpful because his reads are good xD).
But I will 90% vote one of these three today (maybe Marl is the 10% remaining but idk about him, I dont have enough information)
Setting their lynch pool.
Do you really consider hardcore-tunneling a good way to play the game? Lmao
It works for some.
How would I talk to you if I thought you were mafia?
Lol
Don’t like the fact that Bobby is just randomly parking his vote somewhere btw. I have one of the towniest reads on AG rn and I feel like Bobby is intentionally flying under the radar.
GotemTo me insomnia and trans are on one level of mafianess, but trans is my preferred lynch rn because he is annoying
lol
Agree [allthough it still could make sense with Trans/Bobby/Alice all being scum if you think it through. Note, that the possibility for this case is ~20/25% imo]
But for now I will put my focus on ##Vote insomnia
Why did you instantly go after insomnia when you had the vote on Transcend at the EOD.?
Viggo and Alice closed the Bobby-case yesterday. Unless at least Trans plus one of Viggo/Alice is scum this makes them villa ig
Unless?It´s not like I had insomnia on my list yesterday is it? [may have gotten lost in the tunnel tho xD]
You did, but it felt odd.Don´t think so. If i remember correctly he voted away from bobby and shortly after put his vote back. Once he voted away there was no real reason to vote back or was there?
I could only go with Trans maybe not save, bcs his vote would have been on bobby anyway as his own life was in danger (and I as a mafia would also have sacrified Bobby over Trans) but I don´t feel like Vigg is likely to be Mafia
So when did you read change exactly?Main things, why insomnia (form my perspective) should be town :
His first couple of posts were completely random - I remember that I didn´t like him spoilering GoT (allthough I don´t even watch it -) and that he didn´t really talk about the game until
he suddenly had three votes (mine as rvs and I think at least one more rvs-kinda thing) and then he brought this post:
So this was the first time i really read him scummy. (I mean I didn´t like what he said before but that was independent from the alignment)
- At some point I got the feeling, that he is trying to “charm” me (if you know what I mean xD) but also trying really hard to not make it too obvious. To clarify what I mean, try to look at this pattern:
This looks like a question that should’ve been addressed in scum chat if MalloN was scum here, so he’s probably town. Especially him being LHF this is most likely a pretty accurate read.
- him genuinely trying to figure out what’s going on is indicative. Meaning he kept on asking questions about it despite being slapped in the face about it by me.
???
Mallon, any other scum than Vig atm?
So he is somehow trying to be friendly but also somewhat manipulating in doing so. Especially, when I realized, that he thought I was an actual LHF and thus easy to read (and, probably, easy to manipulate).
So your current read?
Makes it even more valid doesn´t it? I mean why would a wolf place his vote on a safe spot and then go back on his comrade 10 minutes before EoD?
Or made himself look good. If one would want to tinfoil.Didn´t have a read on percy, but his replacement feels kinda opportunistic tbh
How so?
But this still doesn´t really explain, why he couldn´t just have left his vote on you?
But I´ll keep the theory of the wolves sacrificing their fella Bobby to gain recognition in my mind. Nothing more, nothing less.
Probably one on the wagon.
I´d actually have waited with this question until he at least said something about the night but okay.
Still he could have insisted on his claim. But yeah, that´s pretty unnecessary now
Btw just a reminder that my empath check d1 was WWS/Bobby same
And I’m the $#@!in’ empath, soooo
lmao
There was no way he wasn’t sticking with it.
Not as clearly as you aren´t :b
But what makes you believe he is faking? I mean why wouldn´t he just withdraw his claim?
It’s Phighter.
I tend to agree to that point. That means Alice and Trans should be same alignment and 99% village
Or that is what the wolves want you to believe.
Don´t think so
Agree
rn I don´t see a reason to not trust the claim. If this is just some stupid troll thing make sure to enlighten me.
##Vote WaywardSon
It is fake. Consider yourself enlightened.
@Phighter you could definitely tell us, who your check was changed to.
And before you say “why should I?” - well why shouldn´t you
YesProbably the three most easiest lynches next to you lul.
No the wittled down PoE
But it would be important to know because if he is empath he will die tonight and take knowledge to his grave and with majority enabled thi can happen at any point
It doesn’t matter. If he was empath he would already done it.Nah actually opportunistic stuff but I understand you
I doubt that.Ain’t no newb tho
Read what I said.
Okay I should actually stop reacting to the caught Mafiosi
Why? If I do happen to be a wolf then I could spew you clear?
To all those who think I am the last wolf: it wouldn’t make sense for me to instantly jump on the WWS-wagon because I would be looking to stay away from it as long as possible and maybe be the one to seal the deal (so you guys won’t find out the information Phighter hides + I get villa cred).
The fact that that is your thought process confirms my read on you.
I guess WWS is too willing to stay alife so that’s why he didnt self hammer while there was plenty time left
Time is our valuable resource. Ending it only helps the wolves.
This would be lvl 0 gameplay
Hammering or locking you in as wolf on the hammer?But I wasn’t in the focus yesterday and suddenly I am. I think you did a good job in pulling me in but it doesn’t matter because we have some fail lynche left
I didn’t put you in. You were in. You can shade me all you want for discussing you.
And where the he’ll comes this Phighter wagon from
That’s what happens when you fake claim and tie up a phase. It’s anti-town. Period.Reiden Mei
Interesting vote.
Oh wait, no vig.
Derp denied.
Insomnia is town, by the way. So I am not liking Andrew right now.
Why?
Well, yeah.
You don’t think wolves were on your wagon?
1 maybe.
Ah, Bobby the
killermafia was voting Andrew. I guess that’s a point in Andrew’s favor.Well, that’s also why my vote is not on him and instead it is on Phighter!
So you basically had Phighter and Andrew even other than Bobby’s vote on AG?I actually agree that Viggo is most likely town.
Specifically why?Well, it’s sad that my predecessor didn’t post, and you put me in “PoE” and not “scum”, so I can’t complain there.
My only comment is to shift WWS down, I didn’t like him on your wagon.
Am I the only one that didn’t belong?
Well, do you think one non Bobby wolf could be on your wagon?
This sounds leading.I’m not scum, trust me.
Sorry can’t.He was voting Transcend and I also didn’t like his Insomnia push. But I guess I might be wrong there.
On Andrew or insomnia?Soulread.
Hmm.I am okay with Mallon being lynched.
That was an easy switch.
Well, I had to kick out Andrew so I gotta add someone in, right?
Why MalloN?RIP
My bet’s still on Phighter. Marluxion was on his tail yesterday and then Marluxion died.
Phighter was also on Transcend. That seals the deal for me.
Still read Phighter scum?
There’s probably always scum on the Transcend wagon. Phighter is therefore an eligible candidate to flip red. Add on the fact that Marluxion was on his ass and it is not a good look.
Hmm
What so laughable about it? Why do you think Marluxion died? Over other players who were actually on the Bobby wagon.
It is sorta funny.
I have not. Is there relevant information you would like to inform me of?
I have however heard funny memes about him. None of them good.
Oh, they were good memes, I mean the other thing.
So you know his rep.Was he? Because I recall Marl making a bigger fuss over Phighter, and it seems that his vote on EoD was on Phighter too.
So you agree with my theory then.
Not sure he is agreeing with it.So why hunt Marluxion-PR over other probably-conftown-PRs?
Tinfoil says this is another leading question.
Is this a hard claim?
Interesting response.
I replaced in halfway. If I were scum (PS: I am not!), I wouldn’t have control over the kill anyway. Try again.
You could change the nk right up till the time was called. You had time. That’s not a defense.
Yeah unless Phighter puts it down in writing in big bold that he is being serious about his claim, I will pretend I didn’t see that.
Ik this is in defense of me kinda, but I am not liking this tbh.
I’m getting mild townie vibes from Tunal.
Why?
If he’s not the empath then what is he? Scum? Town?
No analysis, no contribution. Not gonna lie, not a good look either.
glory hunting bored town>bold wolf that thinks he can talk his way out of a obv mislynch
Sorry what does SHC mean?
Didn’t you play on MS?
What does that mean?
It means what it means.Why don’t you lynch him today? Why aren’t you voting him? Your actions are confusing.
Sorry that I am not that readable.
I am new to this site, can you please explain to me what you are trying to say?
I think you know.Hey, if he’s not the empath but got a correct rand cover, you know how many points he’ll be getting right?
Just saying.
This is a spicy 1v1, I need to consult my friends and the rest of the town on their opinions.
What other friends are you consulting about this game?Just saying. Your behavior is not helping your case, AT ALL. And trust me as the person who’s voting Phighter before you.
I was in the middle of a situation at work. I didn’t have time to deal with this game. And it annoyed the $#@! out of me to have to deal with his FPS bs. Sorry.
Aww, thank you for the compliment.
I’m town though, really.
Tingles.
##Vote Phighter
Back to this, let’s make things spicy.
That’s fair.
2 complete, 3 ongoing.
How many elsewhere?I want to see @insomnia do work otherwise it is not a good look.
He has this morning.
For now I think the wagons are in a pretty good position. A tie between Phighter and WWS.
Odds are V/VSerious answer: They’re helpful for votecount analysis because we will be able to find out who pushed the ties in favor for one candidate or another, and then analyze why.
If WWS is my partner, why is he calling me scum?
Because the tingles are real.
Reiden Mei>insomnia>MalloN
And I may wanna flip the last 2. I go back and forth.
can you give a synopsis of your conclusions on those. It is tough to read those walls and get your over all conclusion(esp the longer ones). For me at least.
insomnia has slanked. The only thing of note before today was him getting riled up because he received a few RVS votes. After Vigg started questioning him he got defensive and then for some reason the Vigg decided he had heard enough, even though nothing of content had been said. He slipped into the background. He did do a lil today after some prodding. Town reading Phighter and MalloN. And null reading Thunal.
MalloN, I find to be very intelligent and very experienced. He sounds wolfy at times but says alot of the right things. His pushes have been mostly against those that are now town read. His posts seem to come from a townie mindset. Making me waver a lil on my read of him.
Reiden Mei, came into the game going straight for Phighter. Has defended my slot against the ‘claim.’ Has voted and unvoted Phighter several times. Has focused on the counter wagon. But has stayed away from voting me. Which doesn’t set well. Instead has focused on Phighter from the start. It has given me the tingles.
To summarize, as it looks as if he is going to ride or die with this for what ever his reasoning is there are 5 players in this game that know Phighter is not the empath:
1)Phighter
2)the real empath
3/4 the 2 remaining wolves
5)myselfI have to ask myself why would someone that is in the PoE, basically refuse to vote for me with the situation as it is? In my mind they would have to be one of the above mentioned 5.
Thoughts?
##Vote Raiden Mei
This is kind of what I posted earlier today regarding RM. In the case that Phighter is lying and you’re V, it pretty much automatically condemns RM as it shows that she has TMI that Phighter is not the Empath over his fake check being that she would know that Bobby and you are not the same alignment.
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Actually, RM W/WWS V makes the most sense in respect to the gamestate with Phighter taking his vote off WWS.
She should be the day’s lynch unless she claims Empath.
##Vote Raiden Mei
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I have never seen vigg be this passive, friendly, or considerate
all it will take is a link to change my mind
Quick question, is he like this even when he’s W?
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I have never seen vigg be this passive, friendly, or considerate
all it will take is a link to change my mind
Quick question, is he like this even when he’s W?
To elaborate. Last time I’ve played with Vigg he was relatively dick-ish and flipped V. Does he act dick-ish as well if he’s a wolf?
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I have never seen vigg be this passive, friendly, or considerate
all it will take is a link to change my mind
Quick question, is he like this even when he’s W?
He is usually nicer as a wolf. But this is something else entirely.
It could potentially be outside factors if he’s not like this in either his usual villa or wolf play, so I think it’s probably NAI.
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TOWNPILE IS: Alice, Andrew, Lime, Trans, Viggo, WWS
FAIRLY CERTAIN THEY ARE ALSO TOWN DUE TO NEITHER OF OUR LYNCHES MOVING WORTH A DAMN UNTIL LIKE 15 MINUTES LEFT: Insomnia
POE: MalloN, Phighter, Raiden, Thunal
Well, it’s sad that my predecessor didn’t post, and you put me in “PoE” and not “scum”, so I can’t complain there.
My only comment is to shift WWS down, I didn’t like him on your wagon.
Hmm, more certain of RM flipping wolf here. Kind of unprecedented for her to want to keep WWS in the PoE while going for Phighther’s throat over their arguments.
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Insomnia is town, by the way. So I am not liking Andrew right now.
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Insomnia is town, by the way. So I am not liking Andrew right now.
What makes him town?
Soulread.
Hmm…
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Insomnia is town, by the way. So I am not liking Andrew right now.
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I am okay with Mallon being lynched.
Don’t think she interacted with Mal further than this. Rn the final wolf after RM should be in either Mal or Insomnia.
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Insomnia is town, by the way. So I am not liking Andrew right now.
I am okay with Mallon being lynched.
Don’t think she interacted with Mal further than this. Rn the final wolf after RM should be in either Mal or Insomnia.
Actually more likely Insomnia as she later on voted Mal with Trans.
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I’m not scum. Mislynch me if you guys want, I don’t have time for this.
Two strikes for you, Alice Liddell. Unless you’re scum, then consider it void.
Then how exactly did you know that Phighther was not the Empath?
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You guys are foolish to lynch my slot over my predecessors inactivity. Because of that I wasn’t able to be given a fair shake and prove my towniness. What a awful waste of my time.
Read my post above. The main reasons I’m SRing you is not because of Percy but because of the way you instantly knew Phighther was not the Empath and then you also wanted WWS to remain in the PoE, both of those stances contradict each other and the former indicates TMI.
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I’m not scum. Mislynch me if you guys want, I don’t have time for this.
Two strikes for you, Alice Liddell. Unless you’re scum, then consider it void.
Then how exactly did you know that Phighther was not the Empath?
I am a good player.
Elaborate how your read on him progressed?
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Likely SHC’ing Lime as well as Trans for now.
I’d say that by now I’m quite certain with my RM/Insomnia wolfteam pitch after Mal’s flip.
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Likely SHC’ing Lime as well as Trans for now.
I’d say that by now I’m quite certain with my RM/Insomnia wolfteam pitch after Mal’s flip.
Reads ATM are here.
Lock Village
Transcend
LimestoneLikely Village
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Insomnia##Vote Raiden Mei
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Mallon was so obvious Jesus.
No he wasn’t.
Better him than me anyway.
Since we have the whole day now, mind explaining why.
You instantly knew that Phighter was not the Empath?
Why at first you didn’t want WWS to get out of the PoE but after Phighter pushed on him that you reconsidered it?
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For one, you immediately jumped against Phighter. My perspective here was to wait and see what Phighter does and how WWS reacts and then evaluate whether his claim is valid or bullshit. The way you went against Phighter from the get-go effectively makes you look like you immediately knew his claim was false without reading much into the interaction between both players.
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TOWNPILE IS: Alice, Andrew, Lime, Trans, Viggo, WWS
FAIRLY CERTAIN THEY ARE ALSO TOWN DUE TO NEITHER OF OUR LYNCHES MOVING WORTH A DAMN UNTIL LIKE 15 MINUTES LEFT: Insomnia
POE: MalloN, Phighter, Raiden, Thunal
Well, it’s sad that my predecessor didn’t post, and you put me in “PoE” and not “scum”, so I can’t complain there.
My only comment is to shift WWS down, I didn’t like him on your wagon.
2 is this. If you were suspicious of WWS, why did you immediately jump to his defense on Phig’s accusation?
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Back to you:
A: What is the point of asking the 1.? How does that make me scum? Would scum know the identity of the Empath? Or, are you trying very indirectly to force me to claim?The former. If WWS is V then you’d instantly know that Phighter was BS’ing his red check, which explains why you were so hasty in knowing Phighter was bullshitting.
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Back to you:
A: What is the point of asking the 1.? How does that make me scum? Would scum know the identity of the Empath? Or, are you trying very indirectly to force me to claim?The former. If WWS is V then you’d instantly know that Phighter was BS’ing his red check, which explains why you were so hasty in knowing Phighter was bullshitting.
And then? Why do you think that wolf-me jumps onto an un-cced Empath, if I knew he was V? Wouldn’t it be safer to slowroll it, or, rather, take the blameless approach and vote WWS-V as you propose?
But why would a V go straight towards an Empath claim?
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The former. If WWS is V then you’d instantly know that Phighter was BS’ing his red check, which explains why you were so hasty in knowing Phighter was bullshitting.
And then? Why do you think that wolf-me jumps onto an un-cced Empath, if I knew he was V? Wouldn’t it be safer to slowroll it, or, rather, take the blameless approach and vote WWS-V as you propose?
But why would a V go straight towards an Empath claim?
The V doesn’t know if the Empath claim is true or false.
Why would a W go straight towards an Empath claim, knowing the Empath is V?
If you didn’t know whether Phighter was the Empath or not, why go straight at him? I’d expect that a V would either pressure WWS or wait and see how the situation develops. The way you went at Phighter implies that you had prior information that he was not the Empath.
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But why would a V go straight towards an Empath claim?
The V doesn’t know if the Empath claim is true or false.
Why would a W go straight towards an Empath claim, knowing the Empath is V?
If you didn’t know whether Phighter was the Empath or not, why go straight at him? I’d expect that a V would either pressure WWS or wait and see how the situation develops. The way you went at Phighter implies that you had prior information that he was not the Empath.
Are you insinuating that I’m the Empath instead? I’m not going to entertain that, you know.
No. In the case that you’re W and WWS is V then you’d automatically know that Phighter is BS’ing his check as he’d have gotten different for WWS/Bobby in the first place. This is effectively why I think you’re a wolf as you’ve shown to be too much informed regarding the entire situation with Phighter and your push on him felt opportunistic as hell, really.
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I thought you had soul tr on insomnia
You stole that soulread.
Serious answer: Insomnia is lurking and I know from his meta that he lurks as scum.
What? You yourself said that he’s town as a soulread.
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FoS Phighter, AndrewGreve, WWS.
##Vote Phighter
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Insomnia is town, by the way. So I am not liking Andrew right now.
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Insomnia is town, by the way. So I am not liking Andrew right now.
What makes him town?
Soulread.
Here it is. Your only interactions with Insomnia were claiming that he’s out of your PoE and that you have soulread on him being V.
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Hmmm, something else you’ve failed to mention is what is the last wolf after Insomnia if you’re V and he’s W?
Mind making me a 3x3?
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Hmmm, something else you’ve failed to mention is what is the last wolf after Insomnia if you’re V and he’s W?
Mind making me a 3x3?
Sorry a what?
Top 3 TRs and top 3 SRs.
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1B: I go after Phighter immediately knowing that he’s V fakeclaiming, for what reward? @Alice Liddell has failed to explain the scum motivation in this play.
If Phighter/WWS is V/V then a wolf can potentially capitalize on that as it was a shitty FPS if that scenario holds true. You were way too trigger-happy to accuse Phighter.
How exactly did the scenario of them being V/V escape you? As of now this is exactly why I believe that scenario 1B is true.
Plus, I think it’s impossible for you/WWS to both be wolves, so you absolutely would know that the check is fake if you were a wolf as WWS/Bobby would be different alignments.
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Next, although the speed of the wagon on Bobby makes it incredibly unlikely for wolves to react and therefore be on the wagon to bus their buddy, it is still remotely possible. Alice Liddel hopping on last means that she gets the least of the town-credit.
What? I hopped on the wagon as Vig leaving it meant that my highest TR would have been put to rand against a wolfy lurker.
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Please explain why trying to lynch the uncc’d Empath as a wolf is a smart option. Please also explain why you think it is the most likely path a wolf would take, instead of:
Because if WWS is V and you are a wolf, then you automatically know that Phighter is not the Empath and this was an FPS. It’s not that hard to comprehend.
- Because nobody is dumb or ballsy enough to be villa and lynch another player on a fake red check?
- Again, do you really believe that any villa would push to lynch another player based on a fake red?
- Because you knew the Phighter is not the damn Empath already.
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Next, although the speed of the wagon on Bobby makes it incredibly unlikely for wolves to react and therefore be on the wagon to bus their buddy, it is still remotely possible. Alice Liddel hopping on last means that she gets the least of the town-credit.
What? I hopped on the wagon as Vig leaving it meant that my highest TR would have been put to rand against a wolfy lurker.
Who was your highest townread, can you please recap to help my investigation?
I posted my list above.
Limestone and Trans are both locktown to me as they were SHC’d by AG’s and Marl’s kill respectively.
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What? I hopped on the wagon as Vig leaving it meant that my highest TR would have been put to rand against a wolfy lurker.
Who was your highest townread, can you please recap to help my investigation?
I posted my list above.
Limestone and Trans are both locktown to me as they were SHC’d by AG’s and Marl’s kill respectively.
Acceptable.
Can you explain the SHC thing again please? I’m a bit slow on the take for this one.
The wolves’ top priority is to kill the Empath, so they should be hunting for the Empath.
Marl was the n1 nightkill and he had me/Trans as the same alignment, so the wolves killed him because they thought Marl was the genuine seer, so he must have faked right results. Since I’m V, then this means Trans must be V as well.
AG was then nightkilled and he had Mal/Limestone as the same alignment. Same thing goes for Lime being V as Mal flipped V.
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Please explain why trying to lynch the uncc’d Empath as a wolf is a smart option. Please also explain why you think it is the most likely path a wolf would take, instead of:
Because if WWS is V and you are a wolf, then you automatically know that Phighter is not the Empath and this was an FPS. It’s not that hard to comprehend.
- Because nobody is dumb or ballsy enough to be villa and lynch another player on a fake red check?
- Again, do you really believe that any villa would push to lynch another player based on a fake red?
- Because you knew the Phighter is not the damn Empath already.
It’s pretty hard to comprehend, actually. Because, you either have no idea how to play wolf/how wolves actually think, (which is actually a good thing, thank god, but it is not working wonders for your scumhunting), or, you are making this up, (in which case, kudos to you, because it takes a very creative wolf to come up with all this gaslighting).
Phighter is an uncc’d empath, if he fakes a guilty on someone, heck, if any town FPSes and fakes a guilty on town, and wolves know it, it’ll be a field day for them. Why would a wolf bite a gift horse in the mouth and go up against an FPSer? Answer me this.
Because FPSers usually are smart enough to retract their shit if they think it may be hitting the fan. I saw you trying to take advantage of his FPS as an opportunity to ML him in the case if you’re a wolf.
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It sounds more like you want me to be scum and are finding reasons to justify your wrong read than to actually evaluate the game and my motivations to figure out if I am scum or not.
Sigh, it’s not just that. Percy being all in line with his scum meta, your reaction to the Phighter/WWS shitshow, you flip-flopping on WWS and Insomnia, and then the push and ML on Mal was just atrocious. I’m having a hard time considering a world where you are V at the moment.
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why does everyone tr thunal
Parked a vote on Bobby d1 which helped lynch him at the EoD. Also she tries to make reads while in her wolf games she has no idea how to fabricate them. She has very little wolf equity, if any at all.
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why does everyone tr thunal
Parked a vote on Bobby d1 which helped lynch him at the EoD. Also she tries to make reads while in her wolf games she has no idea how to fabricate them. She has very little wolf equity, if any at all.
The vote park is basically meaniless. Based on the time that it was placed. Scum park votes on bros all the time. But I will say that she is playing and giving reads. But those wolf games that were posted were in her first few games on PC.
Usually when I play with newb wolves I rarely if ever see them voting their own wolfbuddies. Plus, she actually had a relatively decent read before casting her vote.
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I’m suspicious of Bobby at the moment, I find his vote on Andrew while scum reading other players in the same post wolf. It feels like he’s letting town lynch themselves with his inactivity as well as trying to get rid of a strong player.
##Vote Bobbyb85
For her to go from struggling to post as wolf to this, which would be a very believable distance vote in the case that she is W, in a few matches… eh, I doubt it.
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Parked a vote on Bobby d1 which helped lynch him at the EoD. Also she tries to make reads while in her wolf games she has no idea how to fabricate them. She has very little wolf equity, if any at all.
The vote park is basically meaniless. Based on the time that it was placed. Scum park votes on bros all the time. But I will say that she is playing and giving reads. But those wolf games that were posted were in her first few games on PC.
Usually when I play with newb wolves I rarely if ever see them voting their own wolfbuddies. Plus, she actually had a relatively decent read before casting her vote.
I’m suspicious of Bobby at the moment, I find his vote on Andrew while scum reading other players in the same post wolf. It feels like he’s letting town lynch themselves with his inactivity as well as trying to get rid of a strong player.
##Vote Bobbyb85
For her to go from struggling to post as wolf to this, which would be a very believable distance vote in the case that she is W, in a few matches… eh, I doubt it.
I believe those games were in Dec or Jan. I last played with them in Feb March. Just saying that there is noticeable improvement in their game regardless of alignment.
I am not saying I want them lynched today. Just that I am not willing to clear as easy as they seem to have been cleared.
Raiden needs to be flipped.
Fair enough.
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Wws/viggo same alignment
Wws paritied with Andrew n14th post of game indicates this
And yes I took a huge gamble by claiming vt while being wagoned
If you’re not FPSing, then we technically have 3 mechanically confirmed Vs.
So my readlist would be.
Lock V.
Transcend
WWS
ViggoStrong V.
Limestone
Likely V.
Thunnal
With RM, Insomnia, and Phighter as the rest.
This pretty much puts as many people in our likely PoE as the amount of mech confirmed villas with Lime and Thun as strong town, though.
Confirming again, are you serious with your claim?
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Wws/viggo same alignment
Wws paritied with Andrew n14th post of game indicates this
And yes I took a huge gamble by claiming vt while being wagoned
If you’re not FPSing, then we technically have 3 mechanically confirmed Vs.
So my readlist would be.
Lock V.
Transcend
WWS
ViggoStrong V.
Limestone
Likely V.
Thunnal
With RM, Insomnia, and Phighter as the rest.
This pretty much puts as many people in our likely PoE as the amount of mech confirmed villas with Lime and Thun as strong town, though.
Confirming again, are you serious with your claim?
Also, told y’all yesterday that a Bobby/RM/Insomnia wolfteam makes the most sense out of every possible pairing here.
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My wolfreads are now:
Insomnia/Phighter
If deepwolf: Alice Liddell.
There’s no reason Alice should be pushing only me if she thinks insomnia is scum as well.
My PoE is You>Insomnia>Phighther if the game’s not over. That’s pretty much it as Lime was SHC’d and see above that I feel that Thun is cleared enough.
Both Percy and Insomnia were playing very similar to their wolf meta, which is why I pushed Insomnia d1 thought I wanted to wait on Percy. Your actions d2 have basically caused Percy’s slot to go from null to SR and Insomnia basically isn’t doing anything, which puts him naturally at the PoE especially after last day.
As much as I wish I could vote two people at once, I can’t.
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My wolfreads are now:
Insomnia/Phighter
If deepwolf: Alice Liddell.
There’s no reason Alice should be pushing only me if she thinks insomnia is scum as well.
My PoE is You>Insomnia>Phighther if the game’s not over. That’s pretty much it as Lime was SHC’d and see above that I feel that Thun is cleared enough.
Both Percy and Insomnia were playing very similar to their wolf meta, which is why I pushed Insomnia d1 thought I wanted to wait on Percy. Your actions d2 have basically caused Percy’s slot to go from null to SR and Insomnia basically isn’t doing anything, which puts him naturally at the PoE especially after last day.
As much as I wish I could vote two people at once, I can’t.
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My wolfreads are now:
Insomnia/Phighter
If deepwolf: Alice Liddell.
There’s no reason Alice should be pushing only me if she thinks insomnia is scum as well.
My PoE is You>Insomnia>Phighther if the game’s not over. That’s pretty much it as Lime was SHC’d and see above that I feel that Thun is cleared enough.
Both Percy and Insomnia were playing very similar to their wolf meta, which is why I pushed Insomnia d1 thought I wanted to wait on Percy. Your actions d2 have basically caused Percy’s slot to go from null to SR and Insomnia basically isn’t doing anything, which puts him naturally at the PoE especially after last day.
As much as I wish I could vote two people at once, I can’t.
Actually, with WWS as mech cleared V then Insomnia is the most likely W from you three. I can see Insomnia/RM and Insomnia/Phighter. I just can’t really see a world where both Phighter and RM are on the same wolf team over their d2 interaction.
##Vote insomnia
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I actually voted the wrong person by mistake earlier. Wasn’t paying attention.
He’s technically the one with most wolf equity after Trans’ reveal. If either RM or Phighter flips W then the other is can’t really be W. Insomnia fits in both with either Phigter and RM,.
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Phighter:
His early town read on me didn’t feel opportunistic at all. If he had done it for town cred, he would’ve posted a lot more and go deep as a wolf. He posts 10x more than his current post count as wolf. I town read him ever since that post of his.
Another +town point to him is that he tried to shift the attention towards game solving instead of that straight up $#@! bullying of me lmao
If he’s a deep wolf, consider me pocketed, I can’t / don’t / won’t see him as a wolf here. His posting feels entirely different from his wolf game as well. Maybe it’s because of the Mash game that we played in and there’s a different play style, but I’d still imagine he’d post more fluff, but he was really serious from the start.
Verdict: Town
On that note, I’m not letting him get pressed by a wolf
##Vote WaywardSon
Hmm, Insomnia/Phighter does make a lot of sense, especially considering how Phighter was dodging around Insomnia’s wagon d1 by mentioning that he didn’t like the wagoners without really touching much of his behavior at all. Actually 50-50 rn between the chance of it being Insomnia/Phighter and Insomnia/RM.
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insomnia’s tone sucks
but I think he’s town
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insomnia trying to celebrate himself for still posting with three voters on him and thirty hours to go is ?
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The reasons for his vote are so weak and $#@!ty (as well as the other players on his bw at the time) and it was solely done to inflate the wagon of a competent town player.
I don’t know what wagons are tbf. I’m assuming bandwagon related? I’d love to have the depth of knowledge you guys have, and if you want to try to throw people at me due to the lack of knowledge and therefore “weak” votes due to this being my third game then go ahead and waste a lynching.
Your vote is weak (and scummy) because you pointed out that Andrew was explaining his points (which points to him being town) but seems to be wielding the flaming torch (??? Expand on this one please). To me it looks very weak and manufactured and your vote placed Andrew at 3 votes. Can you give more hot takes on the rest of the game besides Andrew and phighter?
Also I can’t believe both of my suspects just beetlejuiced (appeared when I started talking about them lol)
probably would help to clarify that I know Bobby, he’s from my forum
and this is literally dude’s third game
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just do, really
hard to put it into words
I don’t trust his wagoners
who don’t you like on the wagon?
He town read insomnia for his wagon(aka andrew voted him)
He unvotes andrew to follow andrew onto transcend when wagons were 3-3-2-2 and andrew wagon is perfectly viable still???
no, i townread insomnia because his $#@!ty tone is something so bad that I think only a townsperson could do it
a wolf would realize how awful he sounds
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you have alice as light town?
who between limestone and wayward do you think is mafia then?both nulls
dude the only reason you gave for thinking insomnia is town is that you didn’t like his wagon
so you’ve got two nulls and a townread on it?
how does this logic make any sense?I just gave the reason that his tone is terri-bull, twtbaw essentially
I think his wagon is being opportunistic but not necessarily wolfy, because I think they’re incorrectly reading him
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Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase) 3 insomnia Limestone (13), WaywardSon (119), Alice Liddell (23) 3 Transcend Thunal33 (15), MalloN (45), Phighter (34) 2 MalloN Transcend (67), Marluxion (47) 1 Thunal33 insomnia (62) 1 AndrewGreve Bobbyb85 (11) 1 WaywardSon Viggorous (52) 1 Phighter AndrewGreve (93) 1 Not voting Percy (10) Day 1 ends at 8:00 PM EDT on Tuesday, May 21st, 2019 . There are expired Tue May 21 2019 20:01:00 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) remaining.
Requested by Phighter at 0 days, 9 hours, 40 minutes, 25 seconds remaining.
Ah, I’ve played with Wayward enough to not trust his wolf-hunting abilities
Limestone is often a liar
and Alice I’ve never played with before, hence the not trusting there either
go ahead Marl, do your worst
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Wayward’s also my friggin empath check with Bobby, so unless I hit upon the scum team with both of my checks at once, I stand by thinking he’s wrong town lmao
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highly doubt wolf insomnia claims vt with five hours left in a day
Raiden’s ISO is wolfy as shit, but Phighter’s ISO absolutely just pussyfoots over Insomnia with a shit ton of terrible arguments including vague wagononics, him being TWTBAW, and Insomnia claiming VT. He kind of does the same shit with Bobby as well by ignoring him with the empath check excuse.
PoE RN should be Insomnia>Phighter>RM.
But yeah, I’m not convinced with the Shurian town here.
https://forum.imperium42.com/t/sfol-sfol-53-looming-threat-completed/78350/10469?u=monokuma
Compare how he referred to you here and Soul in LT.
https://forum.imperium42.com/t/sfol-sfol-53-looming-threat-completed/78350/8803?u=monokuma
Or you here and Marshall in this post.
I don’t see any form of villagery thought in Shurian’s posts this match so far.
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I actually voted the wrong person by mistake earlier. Wasn’t paying attention.
He’s technically the one with most wolf equity after Trans’ reveal. If either RM or Phighter flips W then the other is can’t really be W. Insomnia fits in both with either Phigter and RM,.
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Phighter:
His early town read on me didn’t feel opportunistic at all. If he had done it for town cred, he would’ve posted a lot more and go deep as a wolf. He posts 10x more than his current post count as wolf. I town read him ever since that post of his.
Another +town point to him is that he tried to shift the attention towards game solving instead of that straight up $#@! bullying of me lmao
If he’s a deep wolf, consider me pocketed, I can’t / don’t / won’t see him as a wolf here. His posting feels entirely different from his wolf game as well. Maybe it’s because of the Mash game that we played in and there’s a different play style, but I’d still imagine he’d post more fluff, but he was really serious from the start.
Verdict: Town
On that note, I’m not letting him get pressed by a wolf
##Vote WaywardSon
Hmm, Insomnia/Phighter does make a lot of sense, especially considering how Phighter was dodging around Insomnia’s wagon d1 by mentioning that he didn’t like the wagoners without really touching much of his behavior at all. Actually 50-50 rn between the chance of it being Insomnia/Phighter and Insomnia/RM.
It’s almost certainly not the case.
It most certainly is. Lime is SHC’d and you/Trans/WWS are all mechanically confirmed V. This leaves only RM, Insomnia, Phighter, and Thunnal as the suspects, with the last one being a bit of a stretch. RM/Phighter is unlikely to be the wolfteam as I pointed out above, so unless the wolfteam is RM/Thunnal or Thunnal/Phighter, then Insomnia has to be a wolf.
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Why did he not mention Raiden but once?
I’m mostly interested in what RM said regarding Insomnia, though. ISO her for what I mean.
The lack of interactions from Insomnia to Raiden Mei is likely because Percy was inactive and when the slot became active Insomnia basically began slanking after Trans cleared him based on his theory regarding VCAs.
Still, it makes no sense for V!RM to suddenly SR and be so sure that Insomnia is wolf after TR’ing him in the start of the day. Then when I mentioned that RM/Insomnia is the couple with the highest wolf equity here she did a 360 and began hard-pushing him.
Basically, I have my eyes RN on both Raiden Mei for her lack of progression on Insomnia alongside Phighter for the reasons I outlined yesterday.
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insomnia’s interactions with Thunal, Phighter, and Raiden Mei
I don’t see why it’s AI to post after having 3 votes on you.
Because people here saw my scum game and my town game.
Yeah.
##Vote MalloN
I don’t like how he voted Vigg to stop a discussion. That post felt forced.
???
Chainsaw much? Voting his scum bud’s voter.
First mention of scum read on Thunal.
Or a pocket. We’ll have to see which one it is.
Or?
Looking through VCA and Thunal’s in god knows where parked on Mal, I don’t like that slot to be honest.
Alice, elaborate on my meta and what’s pinging you
Shading Thunal.
insomnia trying to celebrate himself for still posting with three voters on him and thirty hours to go is ?
Hoorayyyyy
Hmm
##Vote Thunal33
Votes finally.
It just felt strange given the context and I thought he might be trying to stop potentially useful discussion/solving.
Why are you pushing the same narrative for 4 pages now, literally, you have nothing else to suspect him for. You. Are. Parked. On. Him.
You aren’t bringing anything new to his scum case / commenting on anything else that he posts, for example, reads.
Calls Thunal out for a non progressive read on MalloN.
##Vote Transcend
I don’t like his early game reads without explanation, and I also think it’s suspicious that he voted Insomnia just because he was the main wagon. His spam posts are obviously trying to get people to vote with him, and they feel somewhat agenda-ish.
This is a slot I’ll have in my notes taken, figuring out if this is level 1 pushing reads townie or scum will be the hardest thing for me to figure. I’d rather have someone that tone reads than myself, a mechanical player, talk about the slot.
Because it radiates scum for me.
Still scum reading Thunal?
Can’t exactly disagree here. IMO both of Thunal’s votes this match have been $#@!.
Great read.
Agreeing with Alice’s read on Thunal.
I guess MalloN is a null read. He doesn’t really have any posts that stick out as scum or town.
Assuming that this is in response to Thunal being wishy washy on MalloN read.
Ah, I’ve played with Wayward enough to not trust his wolf-hunting abilities
Limestone is often a liar
and Alice I’ve never played with before, hence the not trusting there either
go ahead Marl, do your worst
That’s probably a god tier read to be honest. WS’s been on a streak of $#@!ty games where he read my alignment incorrectly.
Agreeing with Phighter on his read of me.
Thunal scummy
WS scummy
Limestone scummy
Well we know how good the middle read was.
I’m sitting on that thunal read so you people that tone read hit me up
Nobody addressing Tunhal at all is scummy as well and it makes me believe all scum are in the active lot
Pushing this, but not like he pushes a read when he is town.
I want to see @insomnia do work otherwise it is not a good look.
Yeah will do am at school and I’m tired as $#@!
Lynch WS, soulread
Is this the only time he mentions Raiden?
And while I am at it,
your reads on Raiden Mei
Phighter and Thunal.And one spicy read on a deep wolf(those that have been cleared by those that seem town atp)?
I’mma iso 'em all and I’ll let you know
Phighter town tho
Towns Phighter. Again.
Thunal :
Every single push of her was pretty awkward and opportunistic. Her first vote on Mallon was definitely scummy. At one point, she had her vote on Transcend and she agreed with him on AG’s wagon being trash, but still voted for him.
The only thing that makes me put her at a null - town is her vote on Bobby. I’m probably not addressing Thunal until later in the game if she gets to live. She had no reason to not vote one of me or my cw and just park it. The only thing that concerns me is that she parked her vote and then didn’t do any game solving really, it felt like an unnatural switch. Still, she’s most likely a townie, had no agenda behind any votes and jumped at anything scummy enough to be pushed for. Not saying it’s a good thing to do but it’s townie to say the least.
Verdict: Null - Town
He had scum read them the entire game. And here nulls them? Wtf?
Phighter:
His early town read on me didn’t feel opportunistic at all. If he had done it for town cred, he would’ve posted a lot more and go deep as a wolf. He posts 10x more than his current post count as wolf. I town read him ever since that post of his.
Another +town point to him is that he tried to shift the attention towards game solving instead of that straight up $#@! bullying of me lmao
If he’s a deep wolf, consider me pocketed, I can’t / don’t / won’t see him as a wolf here. His posting feels entirely different from his wolf game as well. Maybe it’s because of the Mash game that we played in and there’s a different play style, but I’d still imagine he’d post more fluff, but he was really serious from the start.
Verdict: Town
On that note, I’m not letting him get pressed by a wolf
##Vote WaywardSon
He towns Phighter.
In conclusion, insomnia mentions Raiden once. Scum reads Thunal the entire game until he was pushed to make reads and then he hedges. Tinfoil would make me want to consider bussing here but already being down one wolf and obviously he wasn’t going to be able to deep wolf, I can’t see it. I would think that the constant scum read on Thunal was like the one on me. A designated mislynch on lhf.
He towns Phighter from start to finish. Not sure if this is because of wolfing together in the MAsh game and him trying to pocket him or what. Look like after Phighter made his claim that he took the opportunity to jump there as he was trying to shade me into a scum slot from the start of the game. This could be W/W action but it would take some ballsy playing, on both their parts. And no I don’t think it is outside of either of their wolf ranges.
Why did he not mention Raiden but once?
You want to guess wolf #3 between the two for postgame credit? We’re killing them both anyway but why not XD
My guess is Phighter for my ramblings above, yours?
##Vote Phighter
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Two things rn.
I need someone to sanity check my theory of whether a Lime deepwolf is possible or if I’m being paranoid. RN my PoE is the exact same as him and I effectively have only him as a non-mechanically confirmed player that would not be lynched by my PoE. If I follow through it and the 3rd wolf is in Phi/RM/Thun, then that’s an easy win, however this PoE still has a chance of us losing if the theory of Lime being a deepwolf holds true.
His eagerness is also kind of odd as well.
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Wws/viggo same alignment
Wws paritied with Andrew n14th post of game indicates this
And yes I took a huge gamble by claiming vt while being wagoned
WWS Viggo lock clear
Empath Check
WaywardSon - Bobbyb85 SAME alignment
Alice and Transcend are the same alignment
Limestone / mallon are the same alignment
Myself and Alice shc.
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Lets hammer fast and postgame fast unless the wolf is raiden or thunal and they want to out XD
The n2 WIFOM SHC theory makes way too much sense IMO if he is a deepwolf.
Here’s the list of Empath covers.
Alice>Transcend/Limestone
Andrew>Limestone/MalloN
insomnia>Andrew/Limestone
Limestone>Phighter/WWS
MalloN>Perry/Alice
Marl>Alice/Transcend
Percy>Vig/Alice
Phighter>WWS/Bobby
Vigg>Thunal/Percy
WWS>Transcend/PercyAG was only on Insomnia’s comp as Trans didn’t reveal himself until d3, and this doesn’t really count as in the case of a Lime deepwolf then he’d know Insomnia was not the true empath for being in the same wolfteam. AG was also only killed right after MalloN was lynched, so killing Andrew would not generate any new knowledge for the village or even SHC MalloN, only a potentially fake SHC for Lime in the case he is a deepwolf.
Theoretically, the bussing theory kind of holds true considering that Lime went from a stronger wolf to a weaker wolf at the EoD, as in Insomnia to Bobby, so he technically had a potentially agenda-driven reason behind the CFD.
Additionally, I need a wolf game from Limestone for comparision here since if the theory that Insomnia is relying on a wolf deeper than Phi/RM to win then Lime is not as clear as I thought.
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Anyway phihhter seems to have just given up so it’s probably just him
Also look a my sick case on him.
Could you link me with some of your wolf games?
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Like first can we all agree that I never kill Viggo here? If I were scum I 100% kill WWS because he’s been mean to me the whole time. Viggo is my friend, I wouldn’t kill him first, especially when he is townreading me. Yeah?
The issue with using NKA to clear yourself is that in the case that you are the final wolf then you could be the one to kill the player TRing or SHCing you to use it evidence that you’re not a wolf.
NGL when I saw the Viggo kill I wanted to clear you at first, but the fact that you immedially jumped into interpreting the NKA into own your favor effectively made me reconsider my read for the reasons above.
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insomnia votes both Limestone and Thunal on D1, but not Alice
Limestone and insomnia cross voted during RVS stage <— may not be as townie as it looks.
We already know that Thunal was the first player on Bobby
This is actually a very bad look for Lime considering that the last game I’ve played with W!Insomnia he basically began the game with a RVS vote on his wolfbuddy.
What exactly were his circumstances regarding the Thunnal vote?
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##Vote Thunal33
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##Vote Thunal33
We discussed VCA a bit in private, and I read that link to the mentor chat on VCA. Can you explain a bit more your thought process on how VCA indicated thunal?
I primarily ask because I think VCA is tough to use this early in game.
No opinion on the leading wagons, with my theory that me and WS were V/V this seems like scum that wants to be off-wagon so it doesn’t end up in the PoE. The reasoning for voting was really weird as well, a level 1 read and then completely ignored the slot.
This is what wolves usually do when it’s a V/V lead. Let town implode and stay out of it.
This actually looks like a relatively flimsy excuse to vote Thunnal as well. Insomnia didn’t even bothering pushing this at all and then went and switched his vote to WWS.
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##Vote Thunal33
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Thunal :
Every single push of her was pretty awkward and opportunistic. Her first vote on Mallon was definitely scummy. At one point, she had her vote on Transcend and she agreed with him on AG’s wagon being trash, but still voted for him.
The only thing that makes me put her at a null - town is her vote on Bobby. I’m probably not addressing Thunal until later in the game if she gets to live. She had no reason to not vote one of me or my cw and just park it. The only thing that concerns me is that she parked her vote and then didn’t do any game solving really, it felt like an unnatural switch. Still, she’s most likely a townie, had no agenda behind any votes and jumped at anything scummy enough to be pushed for. Not saying it’s a good thing to do but it’s townie to say the least.
Verdict: Null - Town
After late D1 Insomnia just stops interacting with everyone and then posts this early D2.
This may point to Thunnal being V as despite him outright claiming Thun is V that he also shadethrows her.
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Does Limestone usually bus as scum?
I’ve been asking for a wolf game from RM and Limestone and neither of them have addressed it yet.
So far I’ve never played a wolf game with either of them.
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Never mind, my bad, Alice is pointing towards W!insomnia. Lime cannot answer in his stead.
I want an answer to my question.
Alice, feel free to ask your primary suspects questions as well.
What exactly made you do 180 on Insomnia d3? Can you go on detail when it came to your progression on him d2 an d3?
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Does Limestone usually bus as scum?
I’ve been asking for a wolf game from RM and Limestone and neither of them have addressed it yet.
So far I’ve never played a wolf game with either of them.
Don’t have one. I am town and will always be town.
Didn’t you play on MS or any other website?
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You’ll have to just compare this with my town meta and see that it holds up 100% watertight.
Well, considering that the last time you were V I was wolfreading you quite hard, then you are matching your V meta pretty well.
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Never mind, my bad, Alice is pointing towards W!insomnia. Lime cannot answer in his stead.
I want an answer to my question.
Alice, feel free to ask your primary suspects questions as well.
What exactly made you do 180 on Insomnia d3? Can you go on detail when it came to your progression on him d2 an d3?
I came out of an intense and very difficult game (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums…Sandwich-Mafia) where I suspected insomnia of being scum. After a lengthy chat with him, he revealed that he has a very discernible meta; as town he is very active and making pushes, but as scum he is frozen and barely posts. I haven’t seen it in the flesh until this game where he was in the PoE and was evidently not posting at a crucial time, even though his post count was decent on Day 1 when I was not around.
He plays a strong and obvious-town game as town, and it seems like his scumgame starts off strong but slowly tapers off. That’s how I came to suspect him, and at that point after the unfortunate Mallon mislynch I was happy to lynch anybody that wasn’t me and hope that flipped scum.
His scum game isn’t that strong as well. He just needs a few RVS votes on him and he degenerates into a defensive mess from his tunneling town meta. It’s pretty much why he was in my sights since I entered the thread. Your answer to me is relatively satisfactory, tbh. But why TR Insomnia so hard when the second day started?
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You’ll have to just compare this with my town meta and see that it holds up 100% watertight.
Well, considering that the last time you were V I was wolfreading you quite hard, then you are matching your V meta pretty well.
Where is your head at?
It was a joke at Pokemon Yellow where I basically screwed up because I misvig’d RM at the last few days.
My reads right now I kind of feel that there is a decent possibility of Lime being a deepwolf considering that.
A) As it was remarked yesterday, the way Insomnia just gave up d3 and how he stopped posting d2 points to the potential existence of a deepwolf. If the final wolf was RM then I’d expect him to fight far harder than he was doing it then as RM was in a terrible spot when he was lynched.
B) Limestone was way too casual regarding just burning through the Phighter/Thunnal/RM PoE even after the discussion between you and Viggo regarding a potential deepwolf.
C) See my theory regarding him being a deepwolf above. Killing AG would be a reasonable move considering that nobody had him in the empath check, he’d get fake-SHC’d, and the other player in his check was just lynched.
D) The chance that he bussed Bobby and then Insomnia is there. As of now I want to know why he just CFD’d from Insomnia to Bobby at the EoD as it does make strategic sense for W!Limestone to do this since Insomnia is a stronger wolf than Bobby.
If we don’t have a deepwolf, then it’s probably Thunnal.
Re-reading d2 and d3, Insomnia would probably fight harder rather than just bank on the third wolf winning like that if RM was the wolf, so I kind of arrived with the same conclusion as Viggo.
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Retrospective Day 1 Votecount as of Post #937
Post #937 was originally posted at 7:46 PM EDT on Tuesday, May 21st, 2019 .
Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase) 2 insomnia WaywardSon, Alice Liddell 2 Transcend MalloN, Phighter 2 Bobbyb85 Thunal33, Limestone 2 Phighter Marluxion, AndrewGreve 1 MalloN Transcend 1 AndrewGreve Bobbyb85 1 WaywardSon insomnia 1 Marluxion Viggorous 1 Not voting Raiden Mei Day 5 ends at 9:00 PM EDT on Wednesday, May 29th, 2019 . There are expired Wed May 29 2019 21:01:00 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) remaining.
Requested by Alice Liddell at 1 days, 0 hours, 59 minutes, 14 seconds remaining.
Found this while re-reading the VCs at EoD1.
This was the moment right after Limestone voted Bobby. Previously it would have guaranteed an Insomnia lynch while afterwards it would have randed 50-50 between W/V hadn’t Trans self-presed onto Bobby.
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I’ve had chance to catch up with the thread and this is way more activity than I’m used to. Andrew is explaining his points but seems to be wielding the flaming torch, phighter seemed to be quick to stop the $#@!posting and get to it…does he have something to hide?
I’m trying to work out terms and cross reference them with the help threads to get some context on what you’re all actually talking about, but for now its…
##Vote AndrewGreve
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I’m suspicious of Bobby at the moment, I find his vote on Andrew while scum reading other players in the same post wolf. It feels like he’s letting town lynch themselves with his inactivity as well as trying to get rid of a strong player.
##Vote Bobbyb85
I didn’t really interpret that post as him SRing Phi. I’d like to probe more onto Thun for now.
So basically, here are my four potential cases on what happened at EoD.
A) Limestone is Wolf 3 - Limestone either A1) tried splitting Insomnia’s wagon into two, potentially saving him and causing Trans to be lynched while also absolving any guilt for a mislynch as he was on both wolves’ wagons d1 or A2) Sacrificed the weaker wolf to give a chance for Insomnia to recover.
B) Thunnal33 is Wolf 3 - Thunnal parked a distance vanity wagon on Bobby and then Limestone turned it into a lynch with a CFD.
C) Raiden Mai is Wolf 3 - Lolwolves. All three wolves were inactive during EoD1.
From my PoV.
A2 is out of the window as Lime was also voting Insomnia first thing d2, A1 would potentially be the best case scenario for W!Limestone as it would have gotten Trans lynched and he would also have his hands clean as he was only on wolf wagons d1.
C only happens if the wolves are playing like absolute shit this match. The fact that Insomnia didn’t even try to save himself hints that RM is not a wolf as the way d3 was going effectively meant RM was likely the lynch for d4, so he of course would have tried harder rather than banking on Wolf 3 to win.
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Well, considering that the last time you were V I was wolfreading you quite hard, then you are matching your V meta pretty well.
Where is your head at?
It was a joke at Pokemon Yellow where I basically screwed up because I misvig’d RM at the last few days.
My reads right now I kind of feel that there is a decent possibility of Lime being a deepwolf considering that.
A) As it was remarked yesterday, the way Insomnia just gave up d3 and how he stopped posting d2 points to the potential existence of a deepwolf. If the final wolf was RM then I’d expect him to fight far harder than he was doing it then as RM was in a terrible spot when he was lynched.
B) Limestone was way too casual regarding just burning through the Phighter/Thunnal/RM PoE even after the discussion between you and Viggo regarding a potential deepwolf.
C) See my theory regarding him being a deepwolf above. Killing AG would be a reasonable move considering that nobody had him in the empath check, he’d get fake-SHC’d, and the other player in his check was just lynched.
D) The chance that he bussed Bobby and then Insomnia is there. As of now I want to know why he just CFD’d from Insomnia to Bobby at the EoD as it does make strategic sense for W!Limestone to do this since Insomnia is a stronger wolf than Bobby.
If we don’t have a deepwolf, then it’s probably Thunnal.
Re-reading d2 and d3, Insomnia would probably fight harder rather than just bank on the third wolf winning like that if RM was the wolf, so I kind of arrived with the same conclusion as Viggo.
A: Why does Insomnia not fighting hard not indicate he’s A: frozen per usual in how you described his wolf meta and B: given up because there’s a set poe that he’s probably not going to escape?
B: Well yes, generally two people being clear and two others being shc would be easy to win just lynching the people outside said group.
C: If you assume wolves are not trying to kill the empath and let the actual empath live longer and make the game more difficult to win then sure.
If we’re going down that route then I could argue that wolves only kill Marluxion for the purpose of shcing you since there were more clear players on the other wagon they could kill that wouldn’t be in the poe and should have similar chances of being Empath.
D: For the reasons I explained when I voted Bobby. You missed the fact I snap voted insomnia at the start of the next day and didnt move my vote until 10 minutes before eod. Good luck explaining how that makes sense for wolf!Limestone.
A) Because if RM was the last wolf then the game would already be over as she was next into the PoE with very little chance of recovering. Either Thunnal or you make more sense in this case as neither of you were back into the PoE until d4.
B) I felt uneasy at you immediately clearing me and just wanting to rush to the endgame ASAP. With the potential of a deepwolf raised I expect a villager to be more wary of fast clears like that. Also see my next point.
C) Letting the Empath live doesn’t scale nearly as hard as letting a Cop live, so this is why I am not considering SHC as much as I would like in this scenario.
D) This is the part where I’m more sure on Thunnal being a wolf than you. Unless you’re a compulsive busser then going after Insomnia the start of d2 makes no sense for you and is only here in the case that you’re a deepwolf.
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I don’t think I’ve ever seen a wolf vote a wolf so they could tie wagons and hope a villager dies XD
AG, WWS, MalloN, and somehow Phighter were all V and were on Trans’ wagon. With the sheer amount of TvT here it was actually a realistic scenario to be on a wolf’s wagon and still be possible to cause a mislynch.
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I’ve had chance to catch up with the thread and this is way more activity than I’m used to. Andrew is explaining his points but seems to be wielding the flaming torch, phighter seemed to be quick to stop the $#@!posting and get to it…does he have something to hide?
I’m trying to work out terms and cross reference them with the help threads to get some context on what you’re all actually talking about, but for now its…
##Vote AndrewGreve
I’m suspicious of Bobby at the moment, I find his vote on Andrew while scum reading other players in the same post wolf. It feels like he’s letting town lynch themselves with his inactivity as well as trying to get rid of a strong player.
##Vote Bobbyb85
I didn’t really interpret that post as him SRing Phi. I’d like to probe more onto Thun for now.
So basically, here are my four potential cases on what happened at EoD.
A) Limestone is Wolf 3 - Limestone either A1) tried splitting Insomnia’s wagon into two, potentially saving him and causing Trans to be lynched while also absolving any guilt for a mislynch as he was on both wolves’ wagons d1 or A2) Sacrificed the weaker wolf to give a chance for Insomnia to recover.
B) Thunnal33 is Wolf 3 - Thunnal parked a distance vanity wagon on Bobby and then Limestone turned it into a lynch with a CFD.
C) Raiden Mai is Wolf 3 - Lolwolves. All three wolves were inactive during EoD1.
From my PoV.
A2 is out of the window as Lime was also voting Insomnia first thing d2, A1 would potentially be the best case scenario for W!Limestone as it would have gotten Trans lynched and he would also have his hands clean as he was only on wolf wagons d1.
C only happens if the wolves are playing like absolute $#@! this match. The fact that Insomnia didn’t even try to save himself hints that RM is not a wolf as the way d3 was going effectively meant RM was likely the lynch for d4, so he of course would have tried harder rather than banking on Wolf 3 to win.
Hmm…
…am I the only one who sees that there’s basically no chance of anyone other than Thunnal being a wolf in this case?
Case C makes no sense considering Insomnia’s reaction to him being wagon while case A would only make sense if Lime was going for some stupidly pants-on-head ballsy play.
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Does Limestone usually bus as scum?
Very rarely. I have a pretty well established anti bussing meta. Here’s a post from a recent village game I think responds to this well enough XD
Oh snatz you’re still evaliating my alignment?
The answer to your question from earlier was no there’s no chance I’d be a wolf here. I have an anti bussing meta so I would never try to cfd a partner on day one or strongarm a lynch onto my partner a day before mylo.
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Can I have a link to one of your wolf games? If you really do then this pretty much means that Thunnal is guaranteed to be the last wolf as you only flip W here if you’re a serial busser.
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…does anyone have any objections to a Thunnal lynch later today?
The only way I can see either Lime or Raiden Mei being Wolf 3 is if the former completely flipped their wolf meta upside down or in the latter case if the wolves are just absolutely not giving a damn regarding the gamestate via Insomnia’s reaction to being wagoned with Raiden Mei close on the chopping block.
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…does anyone have any objections to a Thunnal lynch later today?
The only way I can see either Lime or Raiden Mei being Wolf 3 is if the former completely flipped their wolf meta upside down or in the latter case if the wolves are just absolutely not giving a damn regarding the gamestate via Insomnia’s reaction to being wagoned with Raiden Mei close on the chopping block.
That’s a trick question. Nobody will have any objections to a suspect being lynched. The idea is to get it right the first time, otherwise we will be in a world of headache if wrong tomorrow.
I hear your case on Lime.
Like, with Lime’s past games in mind, Lime needs to be playing extremely off his meta in order for him to be a wolf. It’s possible, but I just don’t see this world happening.
The game-state also doesn’t make any sense for you to be a wolf, so this only leaves Thunnal.
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Or maybe they thought me not claiming D2 even at lynch meant I wasn’t the empath.
Earlier in the game Alice kept asking me how I knew Phighter wasn’t empath or something. Empath hunting?
Sigh…
See, in the case that you’re a wolf, you would immediately know that Phighter is not the Empath because WWS and Bobby are not the same alignment, so his check was fake. The fact that you immediately knew that Phighter was BS’ing is what pings me as a villager would have no form of knowing if Phighter was lying or not.
Does this clear up why I was wolf-reading you hard? Were you isolated without the game-state, as in Insomnia’s reaction, in mind then I’d have already lynched you.
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So, some thoughts.
I like Trans and the only thing I disagree on him is with his read on Insomnia. IMO this is my top town rn.
Mal’s probs villa as well as his tone feels natural and flowing for a new player.
Vig and AG seem towny enough for me to put them above my null.
I dislike Insomnia rn. He reminds me more of his M1GP wolf meta over his villa meta in Homicide Investigators.
I’m pretty much with Trans when it comes to Marl. I’d expect with the level of thread activity that he’d be more active
I’m uneasy on Thun over probing too much into empath checks/cover.
Rn I’d probably lynch between Insomnia and Marl and then leave Thun to sort out later as the potential of her being LHF is still there.
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trans refused to explain the read.
alice,
can you quote the posts from marl that support trans case?
It’s mostly regarding what Marl hasn’t posted rather than what he has posted. As villa he quickly goes into exiting the joking phase and promptly dives in the game.
Additionally, why would Transcend dive and tunnel into Marl as this if he’s searching for an easy lynch when the top wagons were Vig/you/Insomnia? And right at the SoD? This isn’t exactly behavior of a wolf being opportunistic.
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I linked a game where marl didnt post serious for hours as village.
Are all wolves always opportunistic all the time?
jumping into iso’s 200 posts into the game is a thing wolves do.
First point is why I agree with Trans’ push and that I’d like to solve Marl’s slot ASAP. Usually the faster he gets serious the more likely he is villa.
Second point is that while it does look wolfy, there’s a very good explanation for his actions, as in ISO diving a few players, that point him as likely not a wolf. I don’t want to elaborate any further on this.
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Or maybe they thought me not claiming D2 even at lynch meant I wasn’t the empath.
Earlier in the game Alice kept asking me how I knew Phighter wasn’t empath or something. Empath hunting?
Sigh…
See, in the case that you’re a wolf, you would immediately know that Phighter is not the Empath because WWS and Bobby are not the same alignment, so his check was fake. The fact that you immediately knew that Phighter was BS’ing is what pings me as a villager would have no form of knowing if Phighter was lying or not.
Does this clear up why I was wolf-reading you hard? Were you isolated without the game-state, as in Insomnia’s reaction, in mind then I’d have already lynched you.
Also, what the hell is up with you accusing me of empath hunting when you had me and a flipped V in your empath cover?
In the case I were a wolf I’d instantly know that you were lying as that would make your cover false.
The gamestate says that you’re likely V, but your comments just make me feel otherwise, tbfh.
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Does Limestone usually bus as scum?
Very rarely. I have a pretty well established anti bussing meta. Here’s a post from a recent village game I think responds to this well enough XD
Oh snatz you’re still evaliating my alignment?
The answer to your question from earlier was no there’s no chance I’d be a wolf here. I have an anti bussing meta so I would never try to cfd a partner on day one or strongarm a lynch onto my partner a day before mylo.
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Can I have a link to one of your wolf games? If you really do then this pretty much means that Thunnal is guaranteed to be the last wolf as you only flip W here if you’re a serial busser.
Did he ever link?
Nope. I’ve been asking for it for some time now and nothing so far.
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I’ve had chance to catch up with the thread and this is way more activity than I’m used to. Andrew is explaining his points but seems to be wielding the flaming torch, phighter seemed to be quick to stop the $#@!posting and get to it…does he have something to hide?
I’m trying to work out terms and cross reference them with the help threads to get some context on what you’re all actually talking about, but for now its…
##Vote AndrewGreve
I’m suspicious of Bobby at the moment, I find his vote on Andrew while scum reading other players in the same post wolf. It feels like he’s letting town lynch themselves with his inactivity as well as trying to get rid of a strong player.
##Vote Bobbyb85
I didn’t really interpret that post as him SRing Phi. I’d like to probe more onto Thun for now.
So basically, here are my four potential cases on what happened at EoD.
A) Limestone is Wolf 3 - Limestone either A1) tried splitting Insomnia’s wagon into two, potentially saving him and causing Trans to be lynched while also absolving any guilt for a mislynch as he was on both wolves’ wagons d1 or A2) Sacrificed the weaker wolf to give a chance for Insomnia to recover.
B) Thunnal33 is Wolf 3 - Thunnal parked a distance vanity wagon on Bobby and then Limestone turned it into a lynch with a CFD.
C) Raiden Mai is Wolf 3 - Lolwolves. All three wolves were inactive during EoD1.
From my PoV.
A2 is out of the window as Lime was also voting Insomnia first thing d2, A1 would potentially be the best case scenario for W!Limestone as it would have gotten Trans lynched and he would also have his hands clean as he was only on wolf wagons d1.
C only happens if the wolves are playing like absolute $#@! this match. The fact that Insomnia didn’t even try to save himself hints that RM is not a wolf as the way d3 was going effectively meant RM was likely the lynch for d4, so he of course would have tried harder rather than banking on Wolf 3 to win.
Hmm…
…am I the only one who sees that there’s basically no chance of anyone other than Thunnal being a wolf in this case?
Case C makes no sense considering Insomnia’s reaction to him being wagon while case A would only make sense if Lime was going for some stupidly pants-on-head ballsy play.
You’re right that it doesn’t make sense that Raiden or Lime are wolves. Lime would have to be bussing a lot to be a wolf. Which is why I’m leaning towards you as the last wolf.
So basically when I decided that you’re likely to be the last wolf, for this reason alone I’m the last wolf?
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"Lime would have to be bussing a lot to be a wolf. "
Like, what the hell?
I voted Insomnia early D1 as well, and then went onto Bobby as he was a better lynch than Trans. D2 both of us voted RM but the rand went to Mal and then D3 we both voted Insomnia while D4 we both voted Phighther.
Lime and I have the exact same voting patterns here. The only difference here is that he isn’t hard pushing on you.
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"Lime would have to be bussing a lot to be a wolf. "
Like, what the hell?
I voted Insomnia early D1 as well, and then went onto Bobby as he was a better lynch than Trans. D2 both of us voted RM but the rand went to Mal and then D3 we both voted Insomnia while D4 we both voted Phighther.
Lime and I have the exact same voting patterns here. The only difference here is that he isn’t hard pushing on you.
True, which is why I think it could be either you or Lime. But from both of your defenses today you seem more scummy than Lime. And not because you’re pushing me.
Then build the case? I’ve been trying to sort out you, Lime, and Raiden so far and unlike the other two I don’t see any indicator that points to you being V.
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Alice>Transcend/Limestone
Andrew>Limestone/MalloN
insomnia>Andrew/Limestone
Limestone>Phighter/WWS
MalloN>Perry/Alice
Marl>Alice/Transcend
Percy>Vig/Alice
Phighter>WWS/Bobby
Vigg>Thunal/Percy
WWS>Transcend/PercyDon’t have:Bobby/Thunal/Transcend
From the pov of wolves from what we know this should be the number of options that make sense assuming nobody else is a wolf (obviously never real)
Alice wolf world views on possible empath
Hmm, assuming the wolves were always empath hunting until Trans was killed then in a world where RM is wolf then this makes…
Andrew>Limestone/MalloN
insomnia>Andrew/Limestone
Limestone>Phighter/WWS
MalloN>Perry/Alice
Marl>Alice/Transcend
Percy>Vig/Alice
Phighter>WWS/Bobby
Vigg>Thunal/Percy
WWS>Transcend/PercyThe nightkills really point to RM on this assumption.
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From the pov of wolves from what we know this should be the number of options that make sense assuming nobody else is a wolf (obviously never real)
Alice wolf world views on possible empath
Hmm, assuming the wolves were always empath hunting until Trans was killed then in a world where RM is wolf then this makes…
Andrew>Limestone/MalloN
insomnia>Andrew/Limestone
Limestone>Phighter/WWS
MalloN>Perry/Alice
Marl>Alice/Transcend
Percy>Vig/Alice
Phighter>WWS/Bobby
Vigg>Thunal/Percy
WWS>Transcend/PercyThe nightkills really point to RM on this assumption.
Wait, there’s also me as I put Lime/Trans as my checks.
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did you not giver cover day 1?
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it might be useful to check who didnt give cover until day 2
I gave you/Trans.
Thunnal and RM were the only ones who didn’t give cover until d2.
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did you not giver cover day 1?
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Why did we not go back to RM after we lunched insomnia?
We went after Phighter because of his interactions with Insomnia and Bobby.
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did you not giver cover day 1?
it might be useful to check who didnt give cover until day 2
I gave you/Trans.
Thunnal and RM were the only ones who didn’t give cover until d2.
Did MalloN?
Yes. Me and RM.
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My gut says Limestone is the last wolf. Also Limestone is almost too correct with his votes, voting almost exclusively scum.
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I’m switching back and forth between Alice and Limestone right now.
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##Vote Raiden Mei
Raiden’s defense has involved a lot of him saying “Trust me, I’m V” and I don’t think that points to him being town. I also agree that the NKs point to Raiden as the last wolf.
The vote on Raiden looks more like self-preservation over wolf-hunting considering that Thun’s previously stated PoE was Lime/Me.
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For it to be less than 40 minutes till EoD there’s no one here.
Well I’m around, and I hope Alice is coming back XD
From her vote I’m quite sure it’s Thun. She didn’t mention Raiden being a likely wolf anywhere recently and it looks like this was only done as she already had a single vote on her.
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##Vote Thunal33
Well, should be gg.
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I’m here.
If Limestone voted me to bait out Thinal’s wolf vote on me that is the best bait ever.
If thunal is a wolf this was exactly my plan
All according to keikaku.
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I do think Phighter is most likely to be the last wolf. Raiden’s posts seem more genuine and towny than Phighter’s in general, and they’re my top two suspects.
PoE: Phighter, Raiden, Limestone. Although because Limestone started the CFD on Bobby Limestone has the least wolf equity of the three.
So the last wolf is probably doing a pretty good job deepwolfing. Because the Trans wagon was all town, mafia could easily have bussed Bobby. Alice is my strongest non-confirmed town read, so the last wolf is probably either Raiden or Limestone.
I understand the argument that my predecessor was the only player not on the Bobby lynch. And WWS is confirmed town, so that makes my slot a little more than sketchy.
However, take into account that almost all dead players, confirmed town (with the exception of AndrewG) hard townread me: Transcend the beloved Doggo and Viggo the beloved Viggo. Trust in their correct reads. And also trust that I do not kill them here if I were scum.
This post actually seems towny. I think Raiden vibes town and I like how she’s not immediately jumping to conclusions or voting.
Sorry I wasn’t active, I just started another game. This is really hard because from my POV there has to be a deepwolf. I’m actually leaning towards Alice now because even though her solving looks towny, her votes don’t exactly clear her and I don’t like how she’s setting up my lynch. Although Limestone wanting to burn through the PoE of Phighter, Raiden, and me is suspicious because I know me and Phighter are town, and I think Raiden is.
##Vote Raiden Mei
Raiden’s defense has involved a lot of him saying “Trust me, I’m V” and I don’t think that points to him being town. I also agree that the NKs point to Raiden as the last wolf.
Well I’m around, and I hope Alice is coming back XD
From her vote I’m quite sure it’s Thun. She didn’t mention Raiden being a likely wolf anywhere recently and it looks like this was only done as she already had a single vote on her.
I was suspicious of Raiden earlier days (and even voted him), and he was my original thought for the last wolf today.
Hmmm, looks like she’s at the point where she can make genuine-sounding reads as a wolf but can’t fake a progression on them.
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Sure. Most of them are Forum of Lies, a FM based on the turbo role madness social deduction game Throne of Lies with conversion as a main mechanic.
Rolled wolf. For some reason the village wanted to lynch a neutral d2 while I was trying to get Insanity mislynched and then the next day I got Frostwolf103 mislynched while nearly getting BazingaBoy misvig’d.
Rolled traitor as a mentor in a mentor/mentee game. First day I outted PoisonedSquid’s soft as she was a cop and then mislynched the other cop, Techwolves. Pretty much a stomp as all Cultists were still alive by the time the game ended.
Rolled wolf in a multiball game. Basically I spent much of the game time trying to get the village off my slanking partner MaximusPrime. Ultimately town did much of the self-destruction for me as for some reason Marl mislynched Pug earlier on and then we just mislynched GamerPoke on some flimsy reason. The game ended in a draw as both wolf factions killed each other.
Rolled wolf. Powerwolfing here was laughably easy as the village was filled with LHF. Eevee messed up a Kokusho’s Gambit on me and the fact that Hjasik and BazingaBoy didn’t understand that FM isn’t like Turbo where you lynch all liars ended up making them prime mislynch bait for pushing a perceived double mislynch on what I made look like a V/V argument.
Was converted n1. Basically managed to get into a good position to powerwolf d1 and then managed to push a mislynch on Icibalus before getting killed by the Serial Killer.
Rolled a Serial Killer. Managed to become the town leader and got the entire wolf faction lynched by d4ish. Mechanics ultimately got the best of me despite managing to get into a strong position there.
Rolled a traitor again. Didn’t manage to last long as the main wolfteam got outed way too easily. One of them was an obvious wolf with senseless excuses for their pushes, the other one didn’t really bother doing any reads and was just talking mechanics, and the third one was slanking the entire game.
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Did you guys seriously just snap each other for no reason?
…I expected more of a challenge, really.
##Vote Raiden Mei
this is ACTUALLY the end.
Lover mafia is pretty bastard so I consider it of no value, so not compiling the double date game ISO.
Sadly, the mafia chat invite to this game has also been disabled.
You’re not missing much. Bobby was lynched d1 after like 6-ish posts and Insomnia didn’t really play the game, so neither of them were posting in wolf chat.
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I believe i’ve done my fair share if ISO’ing for today. I’ll compile ISO’s for everyone else I haven’t yet and update those for everyone I have on day 3. For the rest of today, i’ll just interact and scumhunt to the best of my ability.