[VFM] Town vs Bandits - Day 5 (4/13) - Bandits Win!

alisus

are you convinced yet

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i think vul is a villager bye

oh yeah her push on wwa and tying her to me and proph also feels actively bad

specifically this is something i really hate
especially since alice has gone on record claiming her reads get much worse when she starts preflipping people and tunneling
which is what she’s doing here, and she doesn’t seem overly concerned about it

when i questioned her about it, she told me her vote wasn’t on me and that she wasn’t tunneling me, she was voting wwa instead
which is true but doesn’t really assuage my concerns, it doesn’t magically make the worldbuilding she did not exist

also, i don’t love her opener when i think about it for more than five seconds, but from the brief research i did, my opener reads are roughly half and half - so reading her off that would be a coinflip

well that was easy

Votecount

Voted Voters Count
WindwardAway Alice, staypositivefriend, Chloe, Emilia 4
Vulgard Prophylaxis, Marluxion 2
willtaylor Leafia, EliThePsycho 2
Alice Vulgard 1
Emilia willtaylor 1
GGhana Leafia 1
Prophylaxis GGhana 1
Marluxion Arctic 1
Not Voting WindwardAway 1

Majority is disabled for today. Ping me for votes. Day ends at 2021-08-30T20:00:00Z

Begin the game with a copypasta, vote sleep/vote someone you know because of an inside joke, try to get the thread to vote a meme wagon, throw out a couple of meta based reads on someone you know, get into a small argument about minutiae before backing off, another meme vote, develop a read you feel strongly attached to and spend the rest of the day going with the consensus except for that one read you feel strongly about which you defend to the death.

Every FoLer, every game. It’s why I can never tell them apart.

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i was about to ask marl why he isn’t engaging with me but then i realized he’s 6 posts away from postcap and he probably wants to conserve posts
poor marl, it’s like he’s been forced into wearing weighted clothing

i feel like proph’s frustration with me might come from the fact he really wanted to play with me and i wasn’t cooperating, at least in his eyes

which would make him >rand v if true, because if he’s a wolf here i’m sure he’d welcome the opportunity to push me

and while he is pushing me he’s also expressing these frustrations that make me wonder

this probably doesn’t mean much but hey

who do you want to lunch

you’re just asking for me to name a villager here and make myself look like a clown again, emilia

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but currently, probably alice tbh
even when i view her posts through the lens of “she’s not tryharding” i’m seeing patterns that suggest she’s following thread consensus and integrating herself rather than doing independent solving like usual

I am asking you to sell me on someone

i just did
or. tried

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that said since proph and chloe have both shown signs of this it’s not impossible one of them is mimicking the other

they probably aren’t w/w either though i wouldn’t bet on it

/vote alice

good I’ll blame you if she is town.

Or blame alice if you’re wolf and she didn’t figure it out at this point.

just what i needed, more responsibility for bad pushes when i’m a villager

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no, I said they did not look partnered, not that they did.

also Proph was in the thread too after i posted that but he didn’t comment on what I said. will keep reading to see if he does later on.

you’re already confident on this?

Chloe's post on Vulgard

this post here is something I’m used to seeing from t!Chloe. The reason I don’t think this is necessarily just hedge is because she gives reasons why she thinks Vulgard’s play has been sketchy, and also why he could still be a villager, but expresses a massive amount of uncertainty as well as frustration that looks more like she’s trying to legitimately figure Vulgard out than just saying he could flip either way and calling it a day.

or maybe it’s just that last bit at the end that’s making me think it’s t!Chloe, idk

LOL

I did say I only read a chunk of posts lol
but yeah, idk why nobody else really was commenting on it except for Arctic. Tbf GGhana said none of my posts were memorable so maybe that counts as a comment, but it wasn’t that specific.

I didn’t even know what the consensus was at that point so I’m not really sure how I could be following consensus, but good to know ig.
As for meta reliance, I’m not going to deny that. I knew I was relying way more on meta to assess the chunk of posts I’d read because I wasn’t really in the mood to read the other 500 posts or so, and I was hoping to get in some interactions later on because I work better when I can ask questions to people while they’re in the thread based on what I’ve backread before that. But there weren’t too many people around and really only Arctic interacted with me directly, and then GGhana once I prodded him for ignoring my posts.

In all honesty I think no matter how i’d entered the thread i would’ve gotten heat for it because i never enter the thread correctly lmao. I don’t really know what to do about that because my openers are always stiff and awkward. It’s kind of like how i suck at starting conversations but i’m perfectly fine with jumping into the middle of one, I guess it’s a personality thing, and I managed somehow to exacerbate the effect this time by wallposting.

also, for whatever dumb reason I was worried about hitting the post limit until I realized it wasn’t as much of a hindrance as i thought it would be, so never mind that.

is this supposed to mean you agree with Alice or just that you want another wagon to exist? because getting voted out wasn’t in my plans this game lol.

lol

Unfortunately I had a real problem getting into this game yesterday, I have to admit
We ended the party around 5 in the morning and I got very little sleep and then had to go back and clean the room, give the keys back, took a short nap, and was dead inside for the rest of the day but still had to do something here, and for once in my life i was just not really enthusiastic about catching up on the posts. I wanted live interaction instead so I could use it to gauge people’s alignments, but as I said before, really only Arctic interacted with me, followed by GGhana. Otherwise I felt like everything I said was being ignored, GGhana said it wasn’t memorable, and I thought maybe I just fucked up by being too hungover when I was in the thread.

I know I can’t use it as an excuse for everything, but anyway I’m stepping up my game today because I’m not hungover and don’t want to get ML’d immediately. But I did say in the signup thread that I’d join if the game started on Sunday and not Saturday, and I kind of regret that I didn’t just let someone else take my space since I knew this was going to happen anyway.

I’m still pretty confident I’m not going to be the vote for today, though. I have no reason to let myself go over so easily.

I haven’t seen your verdict yet but I’m getting there

and what’s your read on me?

because as Chloe said, majority is disabled in this game
so hammer won’t happen

great lol

Ok so I haven’t fully caught up on the thread yet and realistically i’m not going to read everything but the posts I thought looked towny from you were from what I read yesterday morning. I don’t remember exactly where they were but the impression they gave me were just that there were cogs turning in your head
like there was a post where you said Vulgard seemed to be intentionally wolfy but the way you put it, regardless of Vul’s alignment, looked like you were analyzing his behavior in a way that wasn’t like you were just slapping a read on him
it’s kind of the same thing in that other post i quoted from you here, where i said it didn’t look that hedgy (but apparently other people disagreed)
tbf I’ve never been in a game where you were a wolf so idk how well you can fake your progressions but it felt natural.
there was also the post you made about gghana around the time i was in the thread that i gave some thought to and i think people’s opinions of him were fairly polarized based on what i’d read, correct me if i’m wrong

I think I remember reading someone saying your opener was bad and i haven’t read it yet, but tbh i’m not making it a priority to read your opener because iirc you also get scumread for your openers as any alignment and i think your alignment should be more obvious from your later posts.

i just realized im late for lunch plans so i’ll be back in a bit

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idk chief, this reads like tmi
the reasons given here are more “this post is good” and less “this post is villagery”
basically, i feel like WWA’s not really evaluating whether chloe’s post is villagery; she just saw that it looked good and plopped a townread on it for that reason alone

i think these excerpts were written by someone who’s dead inside

these all feel like WWA’s pretending to have reasons to townread chloe, because she doesn’t want her read to look like tmi
all of these boil down to the same thing
“chloe’s posts are good”
which i realize isn’t much better than what i said about her slot, but it still feels off to me

“she gives reasons, but expresses uncertainty and frustration”
“looks like she’s trying to legitimately figure vulgard out”
“there were cogs turning in your head”
“you were analyzing his behavior in a way that wasn’t like you were just slapping a read on him”
“idk how well you can fake your progressions but it felt natural”
“i’m not making it a priority to read your opener because iirc you also get scumread for your openers as any alignment”

look at these in isolation and tell me these don’t come from someone who already knows the person’s a villager and is pretending to have reasons to justify it

it’s literally “chloe is town because she is” wrapped in sentences that don’t really justify it under close scrutiny