[VFM] Town vs Bandits - Day 5 (4/13) - Bandits Win!

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Voted Voters Count
Emilia willtaylor, EliThePsycho 2/6
willtaylor Leafia, Alice 2/6
Alice Marluxion 1/6
Prophylaxis Sulit 1/6
Wisp Prophylaxis 1/6
Not Voting Arctic, Emilia, Wisp, staypositivefriend 4

Majority is 6. Day ends at 2021-09-02T20:00:00Z

Meh, kinda removing Marl from the third place in my readlist and putting him under Emilia.

He feels more lethargic and less spammy and aggressive than your average obvtown Marl, tbfh.

Eli or possibly Marl?

I think Leafiaā€™s just probably just villaging and her thinking WWAā€™s a villager for ??? reasons isnā€™t that off for her.

For the second one, I donā€™t think Leafia/WWA is ever a team as she struggles a lot with TMI, so for her to put a teammate under fire like this as her top read is pretty much an impossibility, I think?

ā€¦Iā€™m kind of back at Eli being V as I donā€™t think he tries to be this anti-consensus-y as a wolf?

Feels kind of more like an independent tunnel for a bad reason, tbfh?

Marl/Proph donā€™t really seem to be that of a realistic pairing from how Marl was egging Proph on, so eh.

Bleh, I donā€™t think this is W/W as well in the same vein of Marl/Proph?

Wisp/Proph/Will looks like itā€™s the Level 1 world.

Still every time that I try to imagine a world with W!Eli I kinda get stuck.

Marl having an above average wolfgame and SPF deepwolfing are also possibilities.

ā€¦I donā€™t think SPF has been as influential in the gamestate as she was yesterday?

Iā€™m basically atp where I donā€™t think Emilia/Leafia/Sulit/Arctic are ever wolfing, tbfh?

Maybe if Emilia starts to peter out late-game then Iā€™ll consider that possibility, but eh.

I feel like Marlā€™s progression on the PoE has been fairly smooth, tho.

Like from suspecting Will to thinking heā€™s a villager for being anti-consensus on him or from shielding WWA, to wanting her to get chopped, to shielding Wisp and giving them a day, and I donā€™t really think heā€™s W/W with Proph as well soā€¦

Meh, prolly just a villager?

mm yeah, i was thinking the same thing. a world where:

A. my POE of 5 names (alice, leafia, will, wisp, proph) is correct

B. leafia/wisp are not partnered

would mean that there are 2/3 wolves in the pool of alice/will/proph. it doesnā€™t feel impossible for this to be the case, but it feels a bit too easy, and itā€™s being igniting some of my tinfoil about one of the widely townread people being miscleared

hi. proph canā€™t sleep, so you get insomniac proph for tonight

ftr I double-checked wagons and spf is right. windward was probably the first major wagon of the game but it slowly subsided into splitting wind/will wagons by 1321, and then will became a more full-fledged wagon by 1436. then vulg started picking up steam in 1564, splitting with will, but by 1756 emilia rose up to be a counterwagon as opposed to will. i should probably do some cursory votal analysis in the morning

Yeah, a wolfteam of Will/Wisp/Prophā€™s basically the one thatā€™s on my mind rn as WWAā€™s slot holders both have been underwhelming, Willā€™s tunnel feels extremely performative, and I feel like Proph has had a very narrow focus on the gamestate.

But I canā€™t keep shaking off that this shit just feels way too easy and that thereā€™s someone slipping by. I really have a hard time seeing Marl/Eli, but they kind of look like the most likely players that Iā€™ve wrongly townread?

Youā€™re also there for paranoia reasons lmao.

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i know i mentioned this post earlier, but i do understand this viewpoint and it is giving me some food for thought. i was thinking about this line again a little bit earlier after we talked about it, but the reason why Iā€™m still coming to the conclusion that it is villagery for will specifically was because

  • he was fairly consistent about defending Vulgard and listing him as a townread for most of D1. Along with Emilia wolf, that was one of his few reads he gave out
  • while willā€™s hasnā€™t really been a braggadocio (omg, thatā€™s actually a word??) i do think that he has consistently displayed a tongue-in-cheek tone that kind of matches with that single phrase being ā€œAlso I knew vul was town :triumph::triumph::triumph:ā€. some of the tongue-in-cheek tone he displays in his posts are in like, 1996, 1493, 1072, 942.

maybe this read is a little too on-the-nose, but i think itā€™s been really difficult to get a window into willā€™s mindset in general this game because i feel like heā€™s pretty closed off, but this line in particular is like a tiny window crack if that makes sense

What do you make on his tunnel on Emilia?

OK, I think I was looking for something like what you described in the first paragraph, where you said that you were digging deeper into ISOs/poking holes into peopleā€™s progressions, since Iā€™m pretty sure that what how you played in ROCKS. Fair point in the formatting not allowing for the type of play - itā€™s definitely tricky how to get used to ISOing and composing posts on this site given itā€™s Discourse.

Iā€™ve definitely felt that youā€™ve played this game more individualistically (sick, thatā€™s a word too) and have been deliberately coy, but i wasnā€™t exactly sure if it was a playstyle thing or if it was somehow indicative of your alignment. thanks for giving me a rundown on that

point to me exactly when you townreading ghana? was it after you did some real-time with him? iirc you only let the cat out of the bag wrt your read on ghana Today, but unless iā€™m misreading something I donā€™t recall you mentioning a townread on ghana yesterday.

(unless this was all internal and you were using that to guide you at eod)

fair, okay. yeah thatā€™s why Iā€™ve been kicking myself for some part of today because everything was there to find him. i should have really paid more stock and attention to his later d1 posting, but I think because I was sleeping when he was around and he left the thread when I woke up was the reason why I just didnā€™t put as much stock into that as I should have. i feel like part of the reason why i wasnā€™t able to get there on him was because we never really had a great time on d1 to really real-time

objectively speaking, i donā€™t like it because iā€™m townreading emilia

but i did some ISOing to figure out if heā€™s pushing emilia because of agenda or because if he genuinely believes that emilia will flip w, andā€¦ my brain says the former my gut says the latter lol

like these sentences from him makes my gut feel like he believes emilia will flip W. thoughts?

i donā€™t really recall who arctic has exactly pushed today - heā€™s said that willtaylor is a wolf and has continued to push the argument that he isnā€™t a new player, but hasnā€™t voted him. is his push on willtaylor and your belief that he believes his reasoning on why willtaylor is a wolf/not a new player the reason youā€™re townreading him?

your scumreads are will, emilia, and eli, none of whom have voted wisp today. if you feel like this slot is the ā€œdesignated mislunchā€, then who has been been driving it in your opinion? judging from the rest of your post, you seem to think it might be alice, but why is she in your townread section? your stated reasoning doesnā€™t match up with her position in that list

eli just voted emilia and thinks sheā€™s mafia. do you believe these two could be w/w together?

why do you think vulg shouldnā€™t have died yesterday? iirc you were heavily scumreading vulg, will, and to a lesser extent windward yesterday

I kinda donā€™t really see a continuous conviction behind his tunnel, tbfh.

Like, heā€™s been voting her all this time but in between his tunnels he kinda just stops, defends himself, and doesnā€™t really bother trying to convince us to lynch her or further develop his read on her.

It basically feels almost at like a completely performative level where heā€™s just trying to signal to the thread that heā€™s trying to do something but never really puts his soul into it.

if you donā€™t think iā€™m a wolf, wisp, who do you think are? i know you havenā€™t read the thread super closely but want to hear your thoughts. still donā€™t have an explanation on why you ā€œhateā€ alice or why you have not really mentioned her since then?

my actual posts are doubtful because i literally pushed vulgard off a cliff yesterday and he was town, when i really wanted to play with him. iā€™m acting uncertain because i think this game is going to be on Hard Mode and i do not think i am playing a good game atm with how I approached day 1.

what i was trying to explain in that post was that if wisp flips scum, then i will have to re-look at his/windwardā€™s interactions to see if the world i am living in is the correct one (ie: the world where either one of you or alice bussed ww), and if it is, then i will need to evaluate which one of you is the villager and which one is the wolf. thatā€™s what i was trying to explain