[VFM] Town vs Bandits - Day 5 (4/13) - Bandits Win!

I fail at spelling on my phone.

Multiple things, tbfh.

A) Volume - As I said before in their previous wolf games they had a post count of like ~150 by D4 in those two games respectively. In here they basically had like 180 by mid-ish D2. They have a hard time posting so for them to have such a high post count makes me believe theyā€™re probably villaging.

B) Handling of Vulgardā€™s Slot - Like, I really donā€™t feel any motivation for W!Emilia to do that shit as thatā€™d look horrible for them. W!Emiliaā€™s FPS in PJO was done in a way to push mislynches but here they kind of had no agenda and I really doubt W!Emilia would do something as risky as what she did to save V!Vulgard for no reason.

C) Being Confrontational - Like, what GGhana said. Emilia just trolling and shitposting and egging the arugment between him/Arctic are very V!Emilia things to do.

D) Shitposting - Basically, weaker read as above but I donā€™t feel like W!Emiliaā€™s comfortable enough to shitpost to the level that theyā€™ve done here. Like the trollface at the ā€œWillā€™s at L-1ā€ comment was something that I really strongly TRā€™d them over as a wolf would be fairly self-aware to not make a meme like that.

The opportunistic vote on Arcticā€™s not really that strong read as I donā€™t think Arctic ever gets MLā€™d in this threadstate, tbfh.

Hmmm, I see. It feels to me that you at least believe that your read on Emilia is correct as it doesnā€™t feel faked at least, so I guess I can trust your read on her enough to not want her dead today. /unvote

I can see Wisp flipping wolf with how sheā€™s been D2 and her SoD 3 was but if youā€™re a villager and Emilia is a wolf, Iā€™ll be telling you that I told you so so hard postgame.

I guess flipping Wisp isnā€™t the worst thing we could do. /vote Wisp @Chloe

make up your mind, lady

Oh. I misread what Alice said there.

Votecount

Voted Voters Count
Wisp Alice, Emilia, Leafia 3/5
Emilia EliThePsycho 1/5
Prophylaxis sulit 1/5
Not Voting Wisp, Marluxion, Arctic, Prophylaxis 4

Majority is 5. Day ends 2021-09-05T20:00:00Z

Please ping me with your votes.

/unvote for now @Chloe

Sigh, the volume tellā€™s kind of apparant, but Emiliaā€™s stillā€¦ I kind of feel like this read is wavering from time to time as she did kind of shitpost a bit in PJO/Meow, even if it wasnā€™t that in-your-face-y.

I at least donā€™t think sheā€™s ever W/W with Eli due to him hating bussing.

Time for me to cook supper now.

Sigh, Iā€™m trying to basically make a complete 100% solve rn, so letā€™s seeā€¦

Arctic/Sulit/Leafia are basically the players that I donā€™t ever see wolfing here.

Emiliaā€™s strongly V but I kind of have reservations since I misread them in Meowtainado. Their volume/confrontational/handling of Vulgardā€™s slot felt like it didnā€™t have TMI has them at that.

Eliā€™s probably >rand V, except that this is my weakest read because of his slanky playstyle

I think Wispā€™s like in 9 out of 10 worlds wolfing.

Proph looks way worse with SPF flipping V since he basically just put us both at V/W for no actual reason. His push on Wisp kinda gave me pause to a Proph/Wisp team and with Will flipping V overnight I kinda thought that the team would be SPF/Marl/Wisp, tbfh. I donā€™t think that the push on Wisp should clear Proph being that Proph has previously hellbussed in DitF.

Marlā€™s at the level where if Wispā€™s wolfing he probably is as well as the comparison between Wispā€™s and Willā€™s alignments are absolute shit.

Marlā€™s ā€œProphā€™s villaging over his wowee commentā€ felt like TMI at first but considering that this is Marl who powerwolfs by shamelessly TRā€™ing his buddies then I donā€™t exactly believe that a Marl/Wisp/Proph team is too out of the question?

Does this mean that one person canā€™t do both at once or that the faction canā€™t?

ā€¦I donā€™t think trying to derp in the thread is an angle that W!Eli tries to take and this feels like Eli just learned of the factional role-copā€™s existence?

Aight, so Iā€™m p sure that Leafia/Arctic/Maybe Eli are villagers now because it seems like they just learned of the existence of the wolves RC now lmfao.

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/vote Wisp @Chloe

iā€™ll take the townread, but
i was on phone and i totally would have asked in my card if it hadnā€™t been for that

Votecount

Voted Voters Count
Wisp Emilia, Leafia, Alice 3/5
Emilia EliThePsycho 1/5
Prophylaxis sulit 1/5
Not Voting Wisp, Marluxion, Arctic, Prophylaxis 4

Majority is 5. Day ends 2021-09-05T20:00:00Z

Please ping me with your votes.

Alright, just got off work, should be around for the next several hours (imagine playing mafia on a Friday night, I have no life haha)

OK so first off, let me go through Arcticā€™s responses and then do some analysis of EoD2 since I wasnā€™t around for it. Iā€™m also gonna use information that weā€™ve learned Today in my responses; sorry but not sorry.

You were convinced that there was a wolf between Eli/Emilia last time we talked. Now that will has flipped v, I think from your EoD post you believe that there is a wolf in me/Emilia/Wisp. Why have you not included Eli in your PoE in the world weā€™re currently living in (the world where will flipped town)?

SPF was the tracker. Do you believe that Alice or Leafia are woofing?

I believed whether the wolf out of Alice/SPF was trying to posture/fake paranoia of the other at the time with the general game plan of the wolf in that duo being to pocket the other. Now though, with SPF flipping tracker, that read of mine has mostly been shattered and Iā€™ll try to evaluate Alice on her own merits.

Honestly a part of me was worried that we were dealing with the mega-death rand of Alice and SPF wolfing. One part of me is annoyed because SPF is an extremely capable villager, and I know now why she was intentionally played laid back/coy/different from her previous villager games, but the other part of me is glad that I donā€™t have to consider worlds where she is a wolf.

I thought there was something wrong about lunching Will (I had sort of a reservation read on him because a couple of his posts had some micro-town tells), and I wanted to say something near EoD about my general hesitation about that lunch, but then the work meeting from hell happened.

I feel like people have generally floated WWA/Wisp as a wolf mid-day but that wagon has always dissipated or went off by the wayside near EoD, and I want to figure out why that has kept happening. I wasnā€™t really sure about Windwardā€™s alignment on Days 1 and 2, but I think Wisp has been a pretty underwhelming replacement and I didnā€™t really like his attempt to run up Eli near EoD2 (and his read on will screams TMI to me). I think heā€™s been consensus-y, but that slot has managed to dodge the lunch both times and I want to figure out why that happened.

Looking back at EoD, I kinda just hated Wisp starting the wagon on Eli and saying that will was town, but he didnā€™t really make an ~effort to convince people on his worldview (why he thought will was town, why he didnā€™t address the arguments ITT, mostly by spf, as to why she thought Eli was town).

I know that Iā€™m also guilty of this in some aspect (I had a vanity vote on Wisp but wasnā€™t really to explain my reasoning/push people off on will) but the fact that he just had some drive-by posts explaining why he didnā€™t think will was a wolf (IMO, based off of weak reasons) and he didnā€™t really make a concerted effort to get people to vote for his counterwagon is not the best look for him.

Iā€™m gonna sheep SPF and say that the way Arctic/Leafia argued about who would claim the pelt is a decent look for both of them. I also like Arctic considering a bunch of possible worlds throughout that EoD and ultimately deciding on will (even if he ended up being wrong). I feel like w!Arctic would have just placed a vote on will earlier in the day most likely and not be so ~involved at EoD as he was.

Eli just not being around for EoD is also not a great look for him, but I feeel like in worlds where Wisp is a wolf, Eli is not a wolf? Because I donā€™t think that w!Wisp just cases and lolwagons his buddy when will was right there.

I need to reread Emilia, though my gut kinda tells me that she just doesnā€™t get into the D2 argument with Arctic/Ghana and then votes Arctic for attempting to claim a wolf pelt like this on D3?

When I reread Emilia, Iā€™d like to keep track of her mid-day responses, because when I think about her and what sheā€™s contributed to the game, I think about her SoD2/SoD3 arguments with people and her EoD presence, but I canā€™t really recall many contributes sheā€™s made in the mid-game.

Iā€™d like to hear sulitā€™s reasoning for voting Emilia when she has time.

My vote would be on Wisp at this time, but I donā€™t want to put him at L-1 atm since I have a lot of work to do this Day phase.

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i think this gif here is really scummy

wisp is just watching this slapfight happen between emilia/arctic and is not trying to evaluate either of them in good faith

and kinda points to emilia/arctic both being town if wisp is a wolf

I think itā€™s pretty obvious Iā€™m not the JKer based on how spf treated me D1/D2.

Also, @Leafia, how is Emiliaā€™s wolfread on Arctic ā€œopportunisticā€? Iā€™d argue itā€™s exactly the opposite, since no one in the game has ever voiced suspicion on Arctic before Today I feel.

Because Emilia is taking the opportunity of Arctic doing something he did as scum in a previous ac game and using it to push him.