this game got serious way sooner than i expected it to tbh
im leaning on alice being a villager - will expand on it later if i still feel the same way
i think itās for the best that chloe gets some space to solve the game on her own terms, so i dont mean to add to the pressure on her, but one thing i do dislike from her most recent posting is that she came out of it with a pretty well-formed readslist
it felt to me like the vast majority of chloeās catch-up posts were based on self-defense and based on reacting to how people were perceiving her, and i donāt know if someone playing in the mindset of: āwhy is everyone dogpiling me?ā would naturally come out with that many confident-sounding townreads in their catch-up. just struck me as a lil odd
like i dunno, if im getting hardpushed by a bunch of people and im getting outright frustrated at how people are treating me, my main impression is definitely not going to be: āthis game is pretty d1 solveableā
but me and chloe are different people
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gonna be around in ~a couple hours
was working on catching up but have to deal with some unexpected rl errands
be back soon
I lied I canāt stay away
Begrudgingly agreed
I think the way sheās going about me and GGhana and her attempts to both ignore us and get us to ignore eachother isnāt the angle she takes here as a wolf. She usually plays earlygames for towncred and thread control. While sheās somewhat doing the latter as she has a pretty loud voice, it doesnāt feel like sheās setting herself up to be in a good spot, and is instead legitimately annoyed at us for reasons I canāt comprehend.
I can also see where sheās coming from with regards to her take on my Leafia read
Without knowledge that Iāve used the analogy before I can understand how it may seem fabricated, but itās something that can be proven Iāve used before, and do believe is a proper idea of what Leafiaās scumgame looks like
And without knowing that I planned on somewhat tryharding this game I can see how my read came off as āoverly formal for this stage of the gameā
I also agree with her take on Vulgard, and she was the first person (iirc) to point out how off heās acting
I donāt expect you to know this but I had a very similar experience in one of my prior games (Shortnite 2) where I was tunneled through the center of the earth by nearly the entire playerlist for an opener very close to what I did here (I was pretty tryhardy right off the bat) and it made it very hard for me to form reads as nobody was attempting to understand my viewpoints. Wolves knew it, too, and to make it harder for me to solve the game they contributed to making everything revolve around me to the point where it was hard to tell who was doing so in bad faith
I guess you could say this is giving me some memories, and I plan on not allowing myself to get in The Hole, so to speak, and the first step is to try to expand my worldview outside of just the people pushing me and look at slots I know I can solve pretty easily
So Iām kinda in āscrew the hatersā mode and I plan on solving this game today tbh
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Emilia seems fake
I could be misinterpreting her personality or it could be too early
Fully agree with this
I feel like Iāve said this a billion times but re-reading all his posts has just solidified my Arctic townread
All his posts come straight out of my brain and are described in a way that I donāt know heās fully capable of doing as a wolf without it coming across as TMI
Heās a much more shitposty, socially awkward, unconfident wolf and here heās taking his usual place as one of the leaders and has the oomph Iām used to seeing from his towngame, instead of feeling like a wet noodle
This post is a meld and Iām a fan of it
Iām not in the mood to expand on my Vulgard read rn as thisāll become a long rambly post when Iām trying to focus on re-reading but I think this Alice quote sums up quite a few of the thoughts I havenāt already mentioned
I really like this depth of analysis
Rather than hopping on the w!Chloe train like anybody else, which would be very easy to do, she pointed out a separate reason as to why my Leafia read could be considered wolfy - and she was actually correct on it - as I donāt think Iād have posted my read without Arctic posting his first
I considered it but though nah
Also, as Arctic said, her take on Leafia is actually pretty damn accurate regarding how Leafia would have reacted to the situation as a wolf, and I wholeheartedly agree with this take
i know spf is capable of faking all of this as a wolf
and sheās snowed me before
but iām a fan of her posts atm
very very good post and i wish i got to say it first
Prophās opener isnāt actually terribad but I can see where GGhana and Alice are coming from
I find it funny that after all the talk about him posting ājust to get his claws into the threadā he comes in with another post that could be described that way lol
I think itās a whole bunch oā WIFOM wrt his alignment but still made me chuckle
Splitting
Okay im re-reading all these Vul posts and honestly idfk anymore dude
Iām so see-saw
One part of my brain is screaming āwolfgard wolfgardā and the other part is telling me this stuff is TWTBAW
That might not be the word for it in this scenario but itās the best i can think of
His feels incredibly fake to me for a few reasonsā¦ some of which I canāt properly articulate
His overall tone feels like a mix of tryhard and fucking-around energy that doesnāt really match the level of confidence he has in his reads
As someone who has had quite a few games recently where he has been Extremely Wrong I donāt like the way heās coming at this game
Aggressive and almost full of himself, when Iād expect him to be moreā¦ careful? Less tunnely?
Just uh
Not this
lol
Heās joking and memeing, but at the same time solving, but it seems like a lot of what heās saying is going with the thread consensus and also blown out of proportions
It feels like heās trying too hard to fit in
I still donāt believe that he believes in his take that my āwatch out for the postcapā towards Leafia was wolfy
But my see-saw mind comes in and tells me that he did something similar in his early Anni posts, and I didnāt believe he believed in his take there either
So Iām not sure
But I have a hard time seeing that as a genuine thought
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After tunneling Wazza (and partially Night and Shurian) in the very recent Ciconia game and being wrong on all three of them, I just donāt feel like his tunnel and association-reads on me here are in good faith?
Heās someone who generally tries to learn from his mistakes
I kinda sorta like Post 87 from him but itās for thin reasons, in that I feel like him not BSing some reasoning is more villagery than not
I donāt understand why he called out spf in the first place for having bad posts when all she had really posted was her typical opener (which Vul should know is NAI) and her take on me/Leafia iirc? Which was a good post!!
I just donāt get it
I might sound white-knighty here for defending spf but I Do Not Understand where he came from with his early read on her and why his next thought was to tie her in to a w/w read with me
Idk maybe Iām reading into this too much and heās not as aggressive as I think he is and iām conf-biasing into this world
Which wouldnāt be the first time Iāve done that
But I really donāt like how heās handling my slot and itās not what I expect from him, especially considering he knows my openers are always scumread
GGhanaās early posts are extremely Geyde-like in that they feel almost philosophical
Iām not used to this from him in the slightest
It feels incredibly off but not particularly wolfy
Could be him attempting to change his playstyle (as I know he has wanted to do so for some time) so Iām trying not to read too much into it but itās making it hard for me to read him with this odd tone
I think his first posts are a good look if I view them from the PoV that GGhana isnāt a super competent wolf unless he got a lot better in the past week or so (sorry buddy) and pushing the stronk players requires a bit of confidence
Iām concerned with the fact that he faked a townread on me and walked it back when he started getting pressured, but the way he held his ground with his Alice read regardless of how he views my slot, and despite the heat he was taking, seems genuine
Not gunna lie his reads are totally wack and I canāt follow most of them outside of his take on Proph but the way heās acted after dropping the New And Improved GGhana approach feels pretty similar to his tunneley and hard-to-follow towngame
I feel like heās the opposite of most players according to Newcomb, as, as a villager heās super plinko-boardy and as a wolf he tries to look waterfally
His concern at nobody interacting with his take on Proph strikes me as villagery and while iām sure heās capable of faking it i donāt care. Call it gut i guess
My big issue with GGhana comes down to the fact that I think he could be TMIāing me, and itās hard to find the line between āhe knows iām a villagerā and āthis wack read is too wack to come from a wolfā such as when he was townreading me for lurkingā¦ but I
A. made it clear I was not lurking
B. informed him that the thing he was townreading me for is not town-indicative
But it could very well be Just GGhana Thingsā¢
I donāt think Iāll ever fully understand how his brain works
His aggression and confidence wrt Alice, his 180 on me, and his addiction to staying in the thread despite the suspicion on him (he was pretty scared to interact in the thread when he was scumread in his last wolfgame. he hid a lot lol) are actually pretty villagery and Iām now doubting my doubt on him and Iām starting to read all his posts as coming from town lol
Yeah I think the dude is just town
Iāve decided weāre masons whether he likes it or not
Chleb out for now 
Basically, I feel like I have a good handle on Eli/Arctic/Leafia/Emilia for now due to their polarization and SPF isnāt a slot that you can solve d1, so kinda wanna wait for those four to post more before burning thorugh my next 150ish posts.
Strong wilfred. It sounds like heās trying his best to invent reasons to wolfread Alice and defend Chloe. What this means about Chloeās alignment, Iām not sure yet, but I donāt think Alice/GGhana are ever w/w here.
Fair. Ty for the explanation
If you donāt mind do you mind letting me know what it is about me and/or GGhana that is making you want to ignore our posts
I donāt want to make the thread a negative environment and Iām genuinely unsure why you had that reaction when I hadnāt spoken to either of you at the time
Got it. You should probably wait until youāre sober to post and I hope you enjoy the party. Whereād you post it at first?