[VFM] Town vs Bandits - Day 5 (4/13) - Bandits Win!

It’s just not what I expected from Vulgard

This is a serious post btw

As far as I can tell not one person has even entertained the notion of my reads being correct

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not really, but if vulgard’s a villager and you’re a wolf i think this is the approach that you take because it makes you look infinitely better than if you just jumped on the wolfgard train

honey

if I was in this playerlist I’d take any Misyeet I’d get lol

this argument makes no sense

wolves are gonna be going for any inch they can get

this also isn’t true
i took your proph read seriously
there’s probably others too but this comes to mind

no you didn’t

you didn’t even entertain the notion of me being correct for even a second

you treated me like an idiot with a bad read

this is literally the third time in the past few hours someone has just said something blatantly incorrect to my face

i dont think what you said makes him a wolf but i looked at it myself and found something in a similar vein that is p wolfy

you literally said “Proph’s posting makes him irrecoverably towny” and then basically treated me like a moron every time we’ve had a conversation but ok

this is pointless anyways

The thing I don’t get about the Vulgard push is just

I don’t think wolf Vulgard acts like this, but I don’t feel like town Vulgard does either

I wouldn’t oppose a vote there I guess but I can easily see him flipping v

i said what he was posting was undoubtedly “good and mildly villagery” but nothing that makes me go “wow this is a villager”
i think ur points had some merit to them but not enough to make me think proph is a wolf
i am taking you seriously, if you don’t feel that way then i apologize bc that’s not my intention

good way of putting it
he is multitabling so that may have something to do with it

vulgard prefers playing as mafia right?

how do I convince you he’s a wolf

I am honestly tempted to mute this thread, come back when EOD happens and then CFD the yeet onto proph

actually you know what
scratch that
i don’t think i should really belooking into that for Reasons

you probably can’t unless you either full on case him with other stuff or wait til he posts more cus nothing you’ve pointed out makes me think he’s mafia lol

Proph I think is wolfy because overall he’s taken a much more reactive take towards thread, he isn’t actually trying to steer the ship, more just try to react to whatever the ship throws at him. To me at least from the type of player I think Proph is I think that is very wolfy, I think overall if a very experienced player is taking a more reactive approach to thread then it’s most likely they’re a wolf because it shows that they have TMI and aren’t actually solving.

Overall I think this is mostly exemplified by his start of day, generally I find that almost all of the wolves start posting during the start of the day because they want to get their hooks into thread and perhaps influence it in a way that fits wolf agenda. Because of this generally I look for the person with the weakest opener when I’m wolf hunting and Proph fits this, most of his early posts felt exactly like he was just trying to get his claws into thread in any way he could, rather than actually solve.

Secondly, the progression on a lot of his reads feel very weak, I don’t understand a lot of his progression and I don’t understand how he got his reads and why. It feels like he had some semi good reasons for townreading Vulgard that he suddenly dropped for no real reason. Overall it felt more like a sudden tunnel to look productive rather than actually solving.

there is that good enough

I won’t lie I kinda believe that GGhana believes in his take on Proph

There are still a couple red flags, like the comparison to his recent scumgame that Arctic pointed out,a and his response to my wall feeling pockety

But this feels over the top
I don’t know if he goes this ham as a wolf and takes this route
I also remember him being super scared of being in the thread during his last wolfgame when he was being scumread - this doesn’t feel like that
It feels like he doesn’t want to be here, but for the reason that he’s pissed off and annoyed at how he’s being treated, not because he can’t handle the pressure. I don’t see any anxiety

I might be a sucker for emotions but this feels almost exactly like a game we played recently (or… spectated? Hosted? Idk but I need to figure this out) - It mighta been Anni

The frustration at not being heard feels genuine

Weirdass hops that I feel are more likely to come from someone not concerned with proof-reading or how they’re percieved.

This kinda pinged me as it’s easy for wolves to call things ‘weird’ as an easy descriptor to contribute to discussion but not give any real takes, but since he’s the person who brought this up so it’s not like he’s trying to fit in

I can’t help but townread this stuff. I’m cursed to always fall for it:

Open for probably-dumb read

I know its really early to say this but he feels alone in the thread

I’m wishy washy on his alignment and can see him going either way but GTH im ngl i think he’s a villa

Weh

I’m back from the dead lol

Sorry that the game start date wasn’t so great for me, but I’m ready to concentrate on this game now. I tried catching up on the thread at some point this morning but my hungover ass didn’t absorb anything at all, so instead i came back now and picked up wherever I left off to read a chunk of posts. I haven’t read everything, but I did see a couple things I wanted to point out so far that I’ll summarize here.

Particularly from the interactions around ~posts 500-600, I’m thinking there’s one wolf in Vulgard/Prophylaxis. I read a chunk of posts where they were both wolfreading each other and it didn’t look partnered to me. I want to ISO both of them individually to see what further conclusion I reach on them both, but I am kind of leaning toward Vulgard being a bit more towny. This might be a dumb read, but I feel like Vulgard’s early play in this game kind of vaguely resembles what I did in Ciconia (except less dramatic and annoying than my openwolfing). As for Proph, I remember reading two of his wallposts this morning and thinking they reminded me of how he played in DitF, but I also thought that in Ciconia about a number of his posts and I was wrong so idk lol. He didn’t wallpost as much there, though. Anyway, I’m not gonna discount the possibility that both of them are town, cause if they are, I lowkey want them in the game for as long as possible lol. I know I haven’t been historically good at reading either of them so I want to be sure on their alignments this time.

I saw some posts from Chleb that I thought looked like t!Chloe thoughts, but I still want to read more from her before locking in a read because I don’t think I actually read that many of her posts, but I do kinda like her take on GGhana in her latest post (cause I read it in the middle of typing this lol). As for GGhana idk yet, I think what he said about Proph is just kinda fueling my read that Vul/Proph contains one wolf but there’s no point in preflipping GGhana off Vul/Proph.

I don’t know if I agree with Arctic’s takes but he’s doing a thing I’ve only seen him do as a villager so far, so I feel pretty good about his slot rn. I think his defense of himself looks more or less ok even though I don’t think Marl’s posts look as bad as Arctic seemed to be saying they did.

Marl yet, and the weird thing is that he didn’t seem to really be concerned that he wasn’t obvtowning himself. Part of me wants to call it towny for not caring, but jumping to the conclusion that he’d get voted out today was also weird. I think I also have an easier time reading him when we’re interacting live in the thread so I’m not too concerned yet. Off the top of my head I wouldn’t want to vote him out today anyway because I think I need more time to solve his slot, and I’m probably saying this because I was dead for half the day phase so kekw

wtf how did the beginning of that sentence get deleted lmao

*I don’t have a solid read on Marl yet

is what it was supposed to say

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checking the playerlist now to see who i haven’t noticed mentioned yet

the only post I remember reading from Leafia so far was just her telling me to have fun at the party lmao

i don’t think i’ve read any of will’s, SPF’s, Eli’s or Emilia’s posts, and i would think i’d have seen an Alice post by now but apparently not in the chunk of the thread i was looking at, so rip

forum is telling me to stop spam-replying to the thread, thanks forum

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anyway I’ll be around for a bit, probably play some pokemon unite and threadcamp while i’m still awake so just ping me if you wanna talk

I’ll have a lot more time tomorrow and should be here for EoD too