VFR is poor in ToL, but that's a GOOD thing

Short Answer: Decide Fate, Dangerous Day Abilities and The Fool

Long Answer:

I am really loving the King mechanic in this game. The King is a character who looms over the entire game, shrouded in mystery for the most part as investigative classes cannot determine his alignment. He is a monument to scumreading - a character you must judge based SOLELY on his actions and speech. Most games he is untouched until the very end of the game as nobody is quite sure if he is on their side or not.

He also wields a ridiculous amount of power. Decide Fate is the main reason you might not want an important claim on trial, such as the Prince or Paladin. An Evil King would (and really should) immediately execute any Prince claim even if it means his death the following day. Sacrificing yourself to eliminate such a pivotal character in the game is surely worth it. I’d argue the only two roles you 100% Decide Fate execute on as an Evil King would be Prince or Paladin and maybe Sheriff if you don’t think they have knighted anybody yet.

Neutral Kings who have more faith in the evil roles might even consider executing powerful town roles if it is near the end of the game and they still have guards left.

There are 3 alignments for King, 1 of which will no doubt execute a Prince on sight and another that might consider it later. Consider it a 40% of your Prince/Paladin/maybe Sheriff getting executed when getting randomly voted to the stand.

Another threat to VFR are the multiple and dangerous day abilities that exist to inhibit speech or confuse players, like Chilling Touch or Distract. Even an assassin’s 10 second distract ability can create doubt in the minds of the town. Did that person just quickly type up a will, or were they truly distracted like they claim?

If a Reaper sees that somebody is being voted up for a role, they WILL cast Chilling Touch on them, causing them to be unable to claim and say anything at all. This person will likely get lynched or executed.

You could simply have your Prince execute them if you fear a Fool, but losing executes can be just as bad as not being able to vote for 2 days. Remember, Chilling Touch has TWO uses! Reaper can potentially get town to kill off 2 of their own just with their day ability. The counterplay to this is to allow the silent person off the stand and continue on with VFR on a second person as the Reaper cannot cast a day ability twice in a row.

The problem here is this - if this meta develops this way, evils can simply stay silent and feign a Chilling Touch and prevent town from getting their role that day. Entertain the thought and you’ll realize there are a lot of ways this meta branch can go, and hardly none of it is preferable for Blue Dragon.

Fool is a thing, and this version of Jester is so much worse for BD than Jester was for Town in ToS. Being unable to lynch for 2 whole days hurts only BD for the most part. Fools getting lynched is not an uncommon occurrence as roles in ToL are generally hard to prove. VFRing will literally come to a halt once the Fool is lynched.

I’ve been watching people try to VFR down the list 1-16 in this game and have watched it not be terribly effective. By all means VFR when it comes down to the final people or if somebody is acting particularly scummy, but if you randomly choose someone and they turn out to be the most important role of the game, you might consider choosing your trials more carefully.

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This post has gotten all of my love and respect.

@Ă­42-Xblade Give this guy a free key :laughing:

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Yeah, distraction while u r accused = death sentence…

Why are you speaking blasphemy we have class and BD not role and town.

Apart from that, it’s good!

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Voting down the list is stupid

Voting to find a scum role at Mylo/lylo is crucial

Pretty every nail was hammered in this post.

VFC is going to backfire.

I’ve also seen it happen… and usually, if someone says “VFR” or “VFC” my response is… “Hey # go F yourself”

I get called scum… by the scum… and we win because the scum get caught out.

Most but not all of the time, Scum will try to force you into a VFR/VFC. Don’t let them take control.

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That’s not to say VFR is always bad, but when Prince and sheriff are down with numbers looking thin, vote the suspicious people up

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While I usually don’t Vote for role in the early stage of the game, VFR is almost always affective when it comes up to finding scum. Just vote the quite person up and if his defense is bad and he flips to be Unseen then look back at who voted him up and who didn’t. I literally found three unseen memebers in a 10 people game because of VFR.

Sorry for stupid question what VFR and VFC Means Thanks

VFR = vote for role
VFC = vote for class

oh thanks

Cuz VFR is for TOS, and VFC is for ToL

I will disagree on that. You’re not meant to VFC quiet people. 99% of the times I’m a quiet player myself, that doesn’t mean I’m bad, that means I don’t have anything to say, so I don’t confuse/flood the chat with non-sense. Don’t consider quiet people bad, the people that flood the chat are more dangerous, because they are the owns that want to confuse the castle :wink: (btw that’s top Unseen play)

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You’re talking about the early stages of the game, quite people when there are 8-6 left are suspicious no matter how you put it. Some evil roles do talk some don’t. Vote for class is some times what leads to victory, some times it’s necessary to take action when odds are against the blue dragons which is usually in the middle to late stage of the game.

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Being passive at Mylo loses games

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