Virtuous Setup Balance Talk

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#21

I mean NK and groupscum made similar kills so it could have been a lot worse for the Unseen a lot sooner… plus fool scumslipped

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#22

true haha

#23

or just don’t make warden a thing at all because jailor is a big part of this power balance in these types of games

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#24

I agree Warden/Prince heavily swings the game

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#25

Warden especially so given their 2 executions

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#26

If you want duke to still be convertable, I’d say change prince and warden to not be as powerful

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#27

Not sure how I feel about Royal Pardon tbh… maybe it’s just because it was used against me lol

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#28

like when u look at lots of FoLs so much of the game rides on the prince’s abil to jail and exe

putting that in hands of scum is wayyyy too much

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#29

and LSOTV is different.

but like i still think the same concepts apply

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#30

Convertible Duke is the problem imo

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#31

Royal pardon seemed pretty niche to me as an Unseen king

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#32

The Warden/Prince powers amplify that

#33

honestly? if y;all really want to have convertable duke… what if it was a LW

#34

One thing I noticed looking at the neuts was that there are like three or four neuts revolving around the general concept of ‘get townies mislynched’ and there could maybe be fewer of those

Crone/Angel/Scorned don’t feel meaningfully different even if differences exist

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#35

Also Poacher doesn’t really feel right to me

#36

Crone and Angel especially so tbh

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#37

Ye i might have gone a bit overboard with how many neuts I included

#38

I actually do like quite a few of these neuts

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#39

hear me out

we still nerf prince/warden a lil

but we make the prince/warden lost wolves(don’t know scumbuds or join scumchat)

mega power swing but also not mega powerful for scum and the prince/warden would have to make reads and judge if people were bullshitting or not

#40

Obedient and Alchemist in particular