Watch Your Mouth!: Sophomore Year (3/17) - Day 5 - Planters (Mafia) Win!

[Whysper]

@Jane

Mentally, yes.

You are the Mentalist after all.

[Appelsiini]

@Alice

…this isn’t LAMIST.

LAMIST is effectively a player repeatedly pointing out the villagery things they’ve done for little to no reason, such as a wolf repeatedly pointing out that they pushed on a flipped wolf in order to emphasize their towncred.

…Alright. Let me rephrase that.
“Alice starts the game by talking about how she’s a villager and therefore going to die N1 because SPK. I don’t remember them doing that in Wild West, but then again, they were on an alt so it’s excusable.”

@Alice

Because wolves are always under pressure to make villagery posts since they have TMI, so in the end their posts tend to be stilted or tense. Trochi doesn’t shows these signs in her posts.

Considering Chili’s character, this is actually fair enough. I’d be in quite a pinch if I didn’t play Among Us with you all regularly.

@Alice

Before I said it as I don’t think W!Marshal would want to stop me from hyperposting, now I think he’s V from a mixture of the paranoia he has towards me slot

…This is a level 1 read. I didn’t want town to stop detonating each other in SFV either. I don’t remember being in a same game with Marshal, what’s his meta like?
Also, could you quote some posts that show his paranoia? Shoving you in fringe-towncore doesn’t seem like paranoia to me.

@Alice

I thought Appel’s reads were kind of bad,

angry citrus noises

[Appelsiini]

Marshal and Alice are both very inconfident in Derps’ slot, I’m just going to note that down. No idea what to conclude from it yet, I’ll focus on it later.

[PokemonKidRyan]

Alright, I have some work to complete before midday tomorrow but I will occasionally be reading up on things and saying my reads.

So far my 2 highest townreads are as follows:
Marshal: Marshal reacted in the way which I wanted him to beforehand and we have had a semi mindmeld before. I know that this is a very basic read but it often works with myself and Wazza bouncing off each other so I am going to use this as a contributory reason, not a full reason.

Trochilidae: Troch is in their villagery meta, enough said imo. I correctly read them as town D1 in FoL 30 and therefore I am going to stick to my read this game too since there cannot be conversions. The only thing which could be TMI is how they were able to just post tons of words and not hit the bomb before cloned but I think it was mostly just Troch being a bold af villager who I hope will be more cautious D2 and we can allow poe to risk themselves on all common 4 or 5 letter words first to reduce it.

[PokemonKidRyan]

I mean, Derps is literally a wildcard.
Sometimes townie as town.
Other times scummy af as town.

Or vice versa for both of them.

Any world can happen

[Appelsiini]

@Wazza

I have questioned, pushed on and talked to players.

All you’ve been doing is placing votes to place pressure without actually placing pressure.

Wazza, you’re doing… alright, but your focus is on wrong places. With all due respect, I quite literally had to lead you by the hand in Wild West just so you would state your reads. I’m not sure if you just have low WiM or what because I know you can be a capable player. I see you lashed out at Alice, but I agree with her – If you can’t keep up, I’m suggesting you take a break. And I don’t mean this in a bad way or anything, I’m just looking out for you.

[Appelsiini]

@SirDerpsAlot on a scale of 1-10, what would you say your WiM is right now?

[Jane]

@Wazza

I’m not reading that wordslist to get words.

But thanks for the help.

@Wazza

you expect us to read 565 words and memorize it.

@Wazza

What was the point in this?

@Wazza

Y’all literally can’t assume it’s wolf or mislynch.

And… how did you gain anything from those posts?

[SirDerpsAlot]

4

Or so

[Appelsiini]

@Whysper

Alice
Marshal

What’s your take on these two?

@Alice

Also I’m fairly uneasy on how Whysper has spent much of the game casting doubt and trying to negate other peoples’ townreads rather than solve slots for herself tbh.

This…what?

???

@Esquiddy

Question, why do you town lean him?

@Whysper

From what I’ve read from him so far in the thread, he seems to be asking good questions and not being as silly and evasive as I’ve seen previously.

@Whysper

Very good point. The bomb list itself is something a wolf could easily do with no risk to get town cred. But the fact that you pointed out the fallacy in his logic makes you look town.

@Whysper

Your post with all those questions bumped you up into town core for me

@Whysper

@Alice

Esquiddy’s curiousity towards Derps kind of looks like it comes from someone who has no idea what Derps’ alignment would be. Wouldn’t lynch there today.

I’m not sure that I’d read it that way. Could also be an attempt to question why Derps would be out of the PoE. I’d say NAI.

The one and only time they did this was when they gave their opinion on your clear on Esq. Your statement is so objectively wrong, I’m baffled. Have you even looked at Whysper’s posts?

Esq should not be cleared for asking “why do you townlean Derps?” that’s just ridicilous. You’re just… blatantly downplaying both my reads and Whysper’s slot as a whole for going against you. What even is this

[Appelsiini]

Alice, a question I should’ve asked earlier.

@Alice

I thought Appel’s reads were kind of bad

Why?

[SirDerpsAlot]

@Appelsiini

Esq should not be cleared for asking “why do you townlean Derps?” that’s just ridicilous. You’re just… blatantly downplaying both my reads and Whysper’s slot as a whole for going against you. What even is this

I don’t like this feels slightly agenday

[Appelsiini]

Zzz, I don’t even know how to answer to that. Okay, cool.
What do you think about it then?

[Whysper]

@Appelsiini

What’s your take on these two?

I still put them in my TR for now. For Alice, this is primarily based on how involved she seems and her asking questions. Though I think I might go take a closer look.

For Marshal, generally his involvement also. But I also particularly liked how when someone gave him town cred for posting the safe word list, he pointed out that a wolf could easily do a list as well and so that shouldn’t be AI.

[Appelsiini]

I actually thought this situation over and I hate the conclusion I came to
But I really want Alice to answer first

[Appelsiini]

Actually no

My conclusion was “Alice is an experienced player, she wouldn’t do this as a wolf.” But then again;
“Alice is an experienced player. Would she do this as a town?” The answer’s also no.

[Whysper]

Hmmm, that’s an interesting way to look at it. I’ll ponder that.

[Whysper]

I’m heading to bed soon and will sleep on it. This is exactly the type of open-minded questioning I think we need.

It reminds me of some of the thought experiments Vulgard was attempting. Like asking what’s the scummiest thing about each person, or the towniest thing about each. I want to go back through the list and ask the question: If the person flipped scum, what would you look back at as a clue you should have noticed?

[Appelsiini]

If I want to lead town, I should probably put my thought process out there as much as possible so that people actually understand me. Here’s my readlist for now.

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V

~𝓑𝓮𝓼𝓽 𝓬𝓲𝓽𝓻𝓾𝓼 𝓯𝓻𝓾𝓲𝓽~
Surge
Whysper
Trochilidae

Jane
an_gorta_pratai
Insanity
PokemonKidRyan

EliThePsycho
Marshal
SirDerpsALot

Luxy
Esquiddy
Moleland
Wazza
Alice

W

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Most of the lower half just doesn’t have enough content and were so forgettable I had to skim through their ISOs. A large amount of them are tonereads. There’s no one I confidently scumread, as of this point there are people I have instead cleared as town. @Moleland @Luxy @Esquiddy I’m especially interested in you three – I hope you can give more content soon.

[Appelsiini]

@Whysper

If the person flipped scum, what would you look back at as a clue you should have noticed?

This is interesting, though I just wrote the catch up post so I’m probably not gonna do that.

This is more or less unrelated but I just want to say, I really love your mindset. I remember talking about the exact same things in my first games~