Regardless of whether or not it’s an effective strategy, it’s not good teamplay
like, the core of the strategy is trying to avoid working with your team, and instead just guilt-trip people out of voting you
‘guilt-tripping people out of voting you rather than trying to work with them’ is kind of definitionally not good teamplay
ooooh
this is the Priestess Opinion that people are going to argue about
I got at least one
I don’t consider this a healthy strategy.
It’s not a logical read.
What it mainly does is intimidates people and makes people even fearful of being wrong. Or it just makes the target of AtE more spiteful. Either way, it’s unhealthy.
Then … presumably people who do it should generally not be winning an award for being a good team player, right?
i disagree
there’s potentially an argument that it saved me from being being MLed at one point but i don’t think it did and thus all of my selfvotes were at best “harmless” and at worst, well, not harmless
possed self hammering and AtEing was awful teamplay
i dont consider any of your selfvotes good teamplay iether
I don’t like
AtE that much
and I try to avoid it as much as possible
I believe that some E-motions can be hard to control (like frustration/anger) and brutal honesty can come accross as harsh
but when it gets into ad-hominem or attacking someone
it is too far
or when it is bringing up irrelevant things that relate to emotion but not the game
it’s too far
I didn’t necessarily say it was ineffective, but yeah, my argument is that it goes against the spirit of the game and takes away from the nature of Forum Mafia, where instead of logically deceiving or hunting others, you try and manipulate them emotionally by creating fear of it being wrong.
However, it’s NAI imo, both alignments can fake it. I never actually take into account that someone AtE’d when determining their alignment.
selfvoting can have strategy in like
some cases
but selfvoting so that people will townread you off of you giving up and asking to die is
Not a good, team-worky, or like, right strategy
I have a problem with AtE in general.
I’m not innocent of this either. But I don’t think it’s healthy for the game.
can you explain what you meant then
the only case where i think selfvoting might have been +EV in M15er was like
but i don’t think Htm even scumread me so :wowee:
AtE is dumb because nobody’s going to give a fuck
oh no that’s so sad, hammer time
that is all
you can selfvote if you dying genuinely benefits the town
for exampke, it’s 2 wagons at EoD, you and someone who you are sure is town, and it’s either you die or they die. You think they have better reads and better skills at pushing them.
Self-voting in that case might not be smart, but it’s justifiable.
See: Me throwing the duels against italy and arete in Evo and ToLFM respectively. I strongly townread both, was in PoE in both games, and thought that them being alive helped game more than me living (which was true)
that’s acceptable
selfvoting to get townread is not IMO
Context was that Arete said that self-vote +AtE is always gamethrowy
Which is simply not true
That was before teamplayer award was even mentioned i think, i might be wrong tho
